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Can someone who was all up in arms about masks explain the abortion decision to me?

KevinKohler said:
They live to provide medical care to their patients, which is going to get legally complicated in some states.
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Right...and nothing is going to change for them. They can still provide medical care, just as most states will still have medical needs exceptions for abortions.
 
justoneman said:
Why are you avoiding this simple question? I am not talking about when the mother is in peril. Scenario is healthy mother healthy baby, but the mother wants a late term abortion. Is this late term abortion immoral?
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With respect:

There's no singular answer to that tough moral question.
 
Bear5131 said:
Only recently science discovered baby's in the womb could feel pain, so there's that, and why are liberals such narcissist and think science is finished, we know all there is to know?
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Amoeba's feel pain does that make them human?
 
VanceMack said:
Right...and nothing is going to change for them. They can still provide medical care, just as most states will still have medical needs exceptions for abortions.
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You're wrong.
 
KevinKohler said:
The females voluntarily abort their pregnancies.

Reading is fundamental. Go left to right, top to bottom...take acetaphetamine for headaches
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That's not an abortion it's a miscarriage learn the difference
 
Bear5131 said:
That's not an abortion it's a miscarriage learn the difference
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Oh, right.

So...induced without modern tools = miscarriage, and induced with modern tools = abortion.


Dude, either educate yourself on the subject matter...or stop posting.
 
KevinKohler said:
Oh, right.

So...induced without modern tools = miscarriage, and induced with modern tools = abortion.


Dude, either educate yourself on the subject matter...or stop posting.
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I am highly informed and for some reason you think abortion and miscarriage is the same thing
 
KevinKohler said:
Morality is irrelevant, due to its relative nature. Your morals are different from my morals.
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With respect:

I disagree. In a very roundabout and harmful way, the anti-abortion movement might be setting things up for morality to be considered more. They're likely ushering in a more progressive America.

Many of the ~immoralities of US militarism should be in the constitution. In other words, the constitution should very severely restrict US militarism.
 
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Callen said:
I am not talking about complicated cases, they are not that common and usually involve Mom not the fetus. I'm talking about routine ultrasounds diagnosing severe issues with a fetus in the first 24 weeks or so. Too bad, so sad Mom you have to carry and deliver this child which likely won't survive long or will need specialized care for the rest of their life.....hope you have great insurance! We'll watch and see but I think the States with the most restrictive laws will soon be suffering a shortage of OBGYNs.
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And I’m telling you, when that ultrasound is done and there are complications…most OBs pass the patient off to a MFM specialist.

OBs aren’t typically the ones making those diagnosis and explaining to parents that the child isn’t going to live, etc - it is the MFMs.

MFMs and OBs work hand in hand. MFMs don’t deliver babies, OBs do. OBs don’t diagnose complex medical issues with a baby, MFMs do.

OBs are the equivalent of a primary care doctor l/generalist when it comes to reproductive care for women. Anything complicated, they bring in a specialist (MFM, etc)

It’s a nuance, but an important one. You may find states continue to have OBs, but will be lacking the doctors that tend to specialize in the more complicated issues. These doctors are already highly specialized and work in only the more advanced hospital systems/practices anyway. They’re unlikely to stick around in states which make them unable to provide/recommend abortion in medically recommended cases.
 
KevinKohler said:
Yes.
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So...given the facts you are either ignorant and just bleating or know you are wrong and lying?

Even Mississippi law has in its new law medical needs exceptions.
 
justoneman said:
Why are you avoiding this simple question? I am not talking about when the mother is in peril. Scenario is healthy mother healthy baby, but the mother wants a late term abortion. Is this late term abortion immoral?
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These cases make up less than a fraction of a fraction of 1% of abortions.

There are not droves of healthy women with healthy pregnancies seeking late term abortions just because they changed their mind about pregnancy after the 2nd trimester.

Anyone spinning the tale that there are…is lying.
 
BirdinHand said:
And I’m telling you, when that ultrasound is done and there are complications…most OBs pass the patient off to a MFM specialist.

OBs aren’t typically the ones making those diagnosis and explaining to parents that the child isn’t going to live, etc - it is the MFMs.

MFMs and OBs work hand in hand. MFMs don’t deliver babies, OBs do. OBs don’t diagnose complex medical issues with a baby, MFMs do.

OBs are the equivalent of a primary care doctor l/generalist when it comes to reproductive care for women. Anything complicated, they bring in a specialist (MFM, etc)

It’s a nuance, but an important one. You may find states continue to have OBs, but will be lacking the doctors that tend to specialize in the more complicated issues. These doctors are already highly specialized and work in only the more advanced hospital systems/practices anyway. They’re unlikely to stick around in states which make them unable to provide/recommend abortion in medically recommended cases.
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Starting a post with "And I’m telling you...." is not conducive to open discussion. So I will consider myself "told".
 
VanceMack said:
So...given the facts you are either ignorant and just bleating or know you are wrong and lying?

Even Mississippi law has in its new law medical needs exceptions.
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Define medical need.
 
Bear5131 said:
That's not an abortion it's a miscarriage learn the difference
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Miscarriages are abortions, they are spontaneous abortions.

If the spontaneous abortion / miscarriage happens in a hospital it goes down in the state record s as an abortion.

Delivery of a non viable fetus or a c-section of a non viable fetus is also an abortion.

If those occur in a hospital it goes down as an abortion in the state records.
 
minnie616 said:
Miscarriages are abortions, they are spontaneous abortions.

If the spontaneous abortion / miscarriage happens in a hospital it goes down in the state record s as an abortion.

Delivery of a non viable fetus or a c-section of a non viable fetus is also an abortion.

If those occur in a hospital it goes down as an abortion in the state records.
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Miscarriage​

A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions.
A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." Other terms for the early loss of pregnancy include:
  • Complete abortion: All of the products (tissue) of conception leave the body.
  • Incomplete abortion: Only some of the products of conception leave the body.
  • Inevitable abortion: Symptoms cannot be stopped and a miscarriage will happen.
  • Infected (septic) abortion: The lining of the womb (uterus) and any remaining products of conception become infected.
  • Missed abortion: The pregnancy is lost and the products of conception do not leave the body.

medlineplus.gov

Miscarriage: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medication
medlineplus.gov medlineplus.gov
 
Bear5131 said:
I am highly informed and for some reason you think abortion and miscarriage is the same thing
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Miscarriage is categorized as a "spontaneous abortion" medically.

If you go into the hospital for bleeding, etc. during pregnancy - they categorize it as 'potential spontaneous abortion'
 
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