Can someone who was all up in arms about masks explain the abortion decision to me?

[BirdinHand]

To be sure posers here understand.

Chuckling at the use of “posers” although I’m sure that’s not the word meant to be used.

 

[poppopfox]

New Study Shows Unborn Babies Feel Pain at 12 Weeks

New Study Shows Unborn Babies Feel Pain at 12 Weeks - Lozier Institute

“Science Again Points to the Humanity of the Unborn.” Washington, D.C. – A new study “Reconsidering Fetal Pain” confirms that babies in the womb can feel pain as early as 12 weeks old. Writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, Stuart W.G. Derbyshire and John C. Bockmann state: “Overall, the...

lozierinstitute.org

Your source - The Charlotte Lozier Institute is the 501(c)(3) research and education institute of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, an organization dedicated to electing candidates and pursuing policies that will reduce and ultimately end abortion. (From the About Us page)

 

[noonereal]

Dobbs says nothing of the kind. Suggest you stop reading the left-wing press. They’re lying to you.

I wonder how many Americans really know what the ruling was?

I am will to bet that the protesters in Ny and CA, a good 80 plus percent of them think the courts ruling affects them.

 

[Antiwar]

I don’t think any level of government should be involved in the medical decisions between an adult and their doctor.

Period. Full stop.

From abortion to vaccines to end of life care.

With respect:

Are you strongly against anti-abortion laws?

 

[NatMorton]

BTW, when discussing public opinion polls on support for abortion, this OP is an excellent example of why asking the question “Do you support Roe?” is a bad question to ask. Too many simply don’t understand what overturning Roe actually means. Much better to ask the questions asked in the Gallup poll I cited in other threads where people are asked specifically in what trimesters do they support abortion rights. No understand of Roe is required that way.

The “problem” with asking it that way, however, is the pro-choice zealots don’t get the answer they want.

 

[noonereal]

With respect:

That elitist attitude isn't good. I'll leave it at that.

I offer no apologies for what I am. None are needed.

 

[BirdinHand]

With respect:

Are you strongly against anti-abortion laws?

I’m strongly against ANY laws, mandates, etc that make medical decisions for adults. I’m also against mandating children TO have medical procedures.

Your body, your choice. Period.

 

[BirdinHand]

I wonder how many Americans really know what the ruling was?

I am will to bet that the protesters in Ny and CA, a good 80 plus percent of them think the courts ruling affects them.

Yep.

All emotion. No reasoning.

 

[Antiwar]

I offer no apologies for what I am. None are needed.

With respect:

Ooookay, elitist the sailor man.

 

[quip]

OK.


Women aren't killing fetuses, they're just removing them from their bodies. It's nature that's killing them. It's not the woman's fault a fetus can't live outside her body.

I love a good reductio ad absurdum.

Kudos.

 

[tshade]

 

[Antiwar]

I’m strongly against ANY laws, mandates, etc that make medical decisions for adults. I’m also against mandating children TO have medical procedures.

Your body, your choice. Period.

With respect:

I'd like a specific answer to my specific question. I find it hard to believe that you're against anti-abortion laws.

 

[noonereal]

Yep.

All emotion. No reasoning.

The bain of human existence, IMHO.

 

[Lovebug]

The SCOTUS decision essentially says that a day-old fetus has life/liberty interests sufficient to compel its "mother" to serve as an incubator for 9 months. Even though a young fetus has no mind, will, or feelings of its own, it can hypothetically become a person in the future, and that gives it a present interest which trumps a fully developed woman's right to control her body for nearly a year of her life (at minimum), whatever the consequences might be to her mind, career, finances, and future.

Can somebody please square that with the idea that the State cannot legitimately compel people to wear a thin piece of cloth over their noses and mouths for small periods of the day in public places, during a global pandemic in which a million Americans have been killed, in order to protect other fully grown human beings? Because it seems to me one infringement of liberty is in a completely different universe than the other.

It seems to me anybody who made even a peep about masks should be screaming their heads off over this decision. And the people who were screaming their heads off about masks, honestly, I don't know how you haven't gone into cardiac arrest over this.

I keep asking that very question. what's wrong with our manly men who shiver at the mere mention of having their rights and freedoms questioned, specifically guns and masks but applaud this latest SCOTUS decision?

 

[BirdinHand]

With respect:

I'd like a specific answer to my specific question. I find it hard to believe that you're against anti-abortion laws.

I’ve answered plainly. I’m sorry you can’t or don’t want to understand and I’ve no control over nor do I care what you “believe”

 

[tshade]

The SCOTUS decision essentially says that a day-old fetus has life/liberty interests sufficient to compel its "mother" to serve as an incubator for 9 months. Even though a young fetus has no mind, will, or feelings of its own, it can hypothetically become a person in the future, and that gives it a present interest which trumps a fully developed woman's right to control her body for nearly a year of her life (at minimum), whatever the consequences might be to her mind, career, finances, and future.

Can somebody please square that with the idea that the State cannot legitimately compel people to wear a thin piece of cloth over their noses and mouths for small periods of the day in public places, during a global pandemic in which a million Americans have been killed, in order to protect other fully grown human beings? Because it seems to me one infringement of liberty is in a completely different universe than the other.

It seems to me anybody who made even a peep about masks should be screaming their heads off over this decision. And the people who were screaming their heads off about masks, honestly, I don't know how you haven't gone into cardiac arrest over this.

EASY-------To the GOP it seems that life begins at conception, but ends with mass shootings..............

 

[Antiwar]

I’ve answered plainly. I’m sorry you can’t or don’t want to understand and I’ve no control over nor do I care what you “believe”

With respect:

You tried to answer indirectly. Why are you not willing to answer directly? Should I look at your comment history, especially in the abortion section?

 

[BirdinHand]

With respect:

You tried to answer indirectly. Why are you not willing to answer directly? Should I look at your comment history, especially in the abortion section?

Go right ahead. I’ve been plainly pro-choice and have stated so repeatedly.

Your body, your choice. For ALL medical decisions for adults.

And when it comes to children, I fall on the side of not mandating ANY medical procedures and otherwise, any legislation should protect children from potential harm until they are of the age of majority where they can make their own decisions about their own body.

Full stop.

I’m for LESS government telling people what they can/cannot do - not more.

 

[Lovebug]

Only recently science discovered baby's in the womb could feel pain, so there's that, and why are liberals such narcissist and think science is finished, we know all there is to know?

I believe it was 2006

 

[Bear5131]

Your source - The Charlotte Lozier Institute is the 501(c)(3) research and education institute of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, an organization dedicated to electing candidates and pursuing policies that will reduce and ultimately end abortion. (From the About Us page)

Like I said the science is never settled



Until recently, many members of the medical community believed that babies did not feel pain. In 1987, the landmark paper by Drs. Anand, Phil, and Hickey published in The New England Journal of Medicine (hereafter NEJM) demonstrated evidence to the contrary

Fetal Pain: The Science Behind Why It Is the Medical Standard of Care - PMC

Despite pain as the fifth vital sign in adult and pediatric care, many still dismiss the fact that immature human beings (whether a fetus, a preterm, or term baby) are capable of being affected by pain. Studies have demonstrated that avoiding, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Michael Cole]

It is easy. Conservatives only believe in their right to free choice when it comes to issues concerning theur lives. They have zero problem forcing their will on others, even when it doesn't affect them. However, take great umbridge when the perceive their freedom of choice compromised.

Fascists come for everyone eventually. Their time has been marked.

 

[minnie616]

Again I ask. Is a late term abortion immoral?

Is saving a woman’s life immoral?

 

[KevinKohler]

I don’t know if there’s ever been enough support to have abortion enumerated.

The closest might have been under Obama? I’m trying to remember the balance of power in Congress under Clinton…but I don’t think it was there either.

I think there qill be, now. The death of Roe v Wade has made this very stark.

 

[justoneman]

Is saving a woman from death or irreparable damage to her body immoral ?

Why are you avoiding this simple question? I am not talking about when the mother is in peril. Scenario is healthy mother healthy baby, but the mother wants a late term abortion. Is this late term abortion immoral?

 

[quip]

I wouldn’t call it a slippery slope fallacy considering it’s reality in this moment

And very possibly May go further into birth control, etc.

I’d say that slippery slope is a gigantic water slide.

Government was involved in the decision to abort (Roe v Wade). The only thing changed is its tack from liberty to authoritarian.

But yes, we need to be vigilant.