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So because the EDL doesnt find Sharia Law or Liberal Britains tolerance for it fashionable they are hatemongers? I would say its the other way around. Anyone who would label people that disagree with them or would put up with an idealogy that discriminates against Women, gays & people of other religions are the hate mongers here.
What's you point? The EDL/BNP's ideology is one of discrimination against women, gays and non-Christians. The irony is that they and the militant Islamists have very similar attitudes to minority groups and socially liberal attitudes.
The difference is that the England Defence League and British National Party are on their home soil, while the militant Islamists are guests in foreign lands.
But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.The militant Islamists who carried out the 7/7 attacks were 100% British, born and bred. They'd never lived anywhere else.
But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.
But as Cameron rightly points out, their assimilation into British society falls far short of 100%.
The extremist fundamentalist groups he is describing arent interested in becoming a part of Britain...they are interested in Britain becoming Islam. More and more the mosques in England have been turned over to Imams who espouse a more extremist viewpoint. They always stop short of advocating violence in England...that would get them in trouble...but the endorse it elsewhere in Europe. it isnt hard to see the fruits of the poisonous tree. Unless of course you for some reason REFUSE to see it. Or condemn it.
Surah 10: Yunus
99. If it had been the lords will,
they would all have believed
All who are on Earth!
Wilt thou then compel mankind
against their will, to believe!
100. No soul can believe, except
By the will of Allah
Surah 60: Al Mumtahinah
8. Allah forbids you not
With regard to those who
Fight you not for your faith
Nor drive you out
of your homes
from dealing kindly and justly
with them: for Allah loveth
Those who are just
-Grins while cupping my hand to my ear-.......... you know if you listen really close … I think I can hear that Hitler tune playing right now
Hitler...has only got one ball....the other..is in the Albert hall.....
Hitler...has only got one ball....the other..is in the Albert hall.....
Hitler
He only had one ball
Georing, has two but they're too small
Himmler, has something simmler
and poor old Geobells has no balls at all!
No, it's not all down to the Muslim community. This state of affairs is not solely the fault of extremist forces within Islam and the failure of other Muslims to rein them in. There is a systemic failure in many, or most, Western nations to accommodate immigrant communities. In Britain's case, it was happy to have them coming here from the former colonies and indeed encouraged them wholesale. Once in the country, the indigenous community's failure to curb the racist and fascistic element amongst them alienated a whole new second generation of non-white, non-Christians. Those are the wages we are reaping now.Cameron is basically correct. To neuter EDL/BNP type groups, the British Muslim's are going to have to put forth a genuine effort to confront, combat, and expunge Islamic extremism within their community.
FALSE.Demonof Light said:Once more you blow things out of proportion. I read a few pages and there are two major problems:
1. That article was about the personal moral beliefs of Muslims in Britain, not political beliefs like in this article.
They indeed apologized for them in that string and for the 20 MONTHS I've been here.. None of the people you mention defended these beliefs. They simply countered yours and Gardener's generalization of all Muslims.
EDL is not fascist. Oh no no no.
I prefer to think of them as in denial chav-scum racists under the mask.
Those of us in UK know they are no better than NF/BNP
I don't know enough about the Tea Party to call it fascist. It might be, but I don't have a view on it. The EDL IS definitely a neo-fascist organisation set up by English supremacists and specifically with a remit to attack Muslims. You don't need to spend very long on their website to see what they are about...
English Defence League News - EDL Latest News
I can't work out why you would draw a parallel between the EDL and the Tea Party though.
There is a systemic failure in many, or most, Western nations to accommodate immigrant communities.
You should have stuck to the word assimilate rather than accomodate here, because it is the excessive accomidation by the pandering British left that has encouraged the radicalization.
Multiculturalism is just stupid since it involves such blatant double standards. Until you adopt the attitude of having the same expectatins for ALL people no matter their skin color or nominal ethnicity instead of exempting some because of their race or ethnicity, the situation will not change. Between the British cultural self-loathing that elevates other cultures to protected status and the inherent (reverse in this case) racism manifested through the hypocritical double standards based upon ethnicity, I would say it is the British PEOPLE who are as much, or more to blame than any government agency.
Then they are not muslim.
By the words of the Quran there is no obligation to believe.
By this we can see, that if it had been Allahs plan to make everyone on Earth believe, he would have done so, but in not doing so, he gave man free will, making faith a moral achievement, and non faith a sin, as all of the major religions do. As a complementary proposition, men must not be impatient or angry if they have to content against unfaith, and most important of all, they must gaurd against the temptation of forcing faith. Forced faith is no faith.
Nor to do the unbeliever harm as long as they are not trying to do harm to you.
Anyone who wants to make Britain entirely Muslim, has subverted the faith.
C'mon Jet, those verses don't count. :roll:
Is the Illiberal Practice of Sharia "inherent to Islam"?
I could swear it is.
.[/b]
My understanding differs.
It usually has gone like this:
*some sort of attack/event occurs*
"Religion of peace at it again. Look what those Muslims do"
Not all Muslims agree with the Extremists. They are the minority
"That is a trick because according to Islam, you can decieve to infiltrate the West".
No ... that is a Shia concept which, once again. Are a minority
"All Muslims support stonings and things because Sharia states it's support"
Sharia law is a complex law and is based on interpretation. No two Muslims interpretation is the same
"You are lying, all scholars agree on it"
For the last time, Islam does not have a unifying body nor will it because we are not a centralized religion similar to that of Catholics.
"So why doesn't moderate Muslims stop it?! It's because you support it secretly. There is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim anyway"
How do you propose we Moderate Muslims achieve in something the US has failed?
"It is your job to police your people".
Then I ask you again, how do I remove all terrorists
"LEAVE ISLAM, IT'S THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL".
Yeah, sorry. No.
"Islam is a religion of violence and bloodshed."
All religions have violence in their history and I agree, Islam is just as bad as others but do not pretend Islam is the only religion which has had bloodshed
"Stop trying to change the subject to cover it up!! The Qu'ran should be changed"
The Qu'ran cannot be changed but I do support a reinterpretation of it.
"So you then support this then [enter vague Qu'ran paragraph]. Your people support violence against Non Muslims. That is why you will not stop terrorists"
I will not actively go abroad to search for terrorists. That is not my job.
"SEE, SEE! You support terrorists deep down and you know it!"
*sigh*. Yes, I support terrorists deep down, I worship Osama Bin Laden and I'm planning a terrorist attack right now and I dance naked to the tune of Hitler
*leaves thread*
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