California Bill Could Protect Cross-Dressing in the Work Force

[Slartibartfast]

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How about "dressing for effect/shock" value just because they can? Wearing make-up and a suit and tie...

That's where my concerns lie, not in Trans/CD folks just being themselves, but in drama whores looking for attention and "rebeling" because the law let's them.

Sweet dreams are made of these, who am I to disagree?

 

[Hicup]

I support every business' right to enforce whatever dress code they feel is necessary for their safety and public image, as long as it is consistent.

And this is exactly what the law states. Consistency will almost always override accusations of discrimination, unless of course you're consistently discriminating based on a protected class.


Tim-

 

[Deuce]

I support every business' right to enforce whatever dress code they feel is necessary for their safety and public image, as long as it is consistent.

And this bill still lets them do that. In fact, it enforces more consistency.

 

[Omgitsme]

Something is not firing in these types of individuals, Mr. Vic .. I know you know people or have people in your family that are cross dressers transgender, but it doesn't change my opinion of them.


Tim-

Please dont call me a freak. It annoys me.

 

[Omgitsme]

Based on the provided linked article, I for one would not support the bill. I am guessing that is most likely poorly written. As shown
from the article, "“A California bill working its way through the state legislature providing more protection for transgender individuals in the workplace could allow for cross-dressing employees to wear whatever they want to work, despite workplace dress codes.”
Why should one group have this right to wear what they want and non transgender would have to adhere to the dress code?

It brings up other questions for HR: example: If a male transgender dresses as a female and thinks of themselves as female, what bathroom do they use while at work? I ask because if the womens restroom was used, couldn't some women feel uncomfortable. If the mens room is couldn't some men feel uncomfortable. Where are there rights of the non transgender?

IMO, the whole transgender issue is a pandora's box when it comes to setting special rights. Yet, not surprising since it is a CA bill.

I highly doubt the bill says wear what you want. And you also making someone uncomfortable isnt the same thing as violating their rights.

How is it special rights? Would you say that women on maternity leave have special rights?

Basically if your presenting yourself as female then follow the female dress code and if you are presenting yourself as a male then follow the male dress code.

 

[Renae]

I highly doubt the bill says wear what you want. And you also making someone uncomfortable isnt the same thing as violating their rights.

How is it special rights? Would you say that women on maternity leave have special rights?

Basically if your presenting yourself as female then follow the female dress code and if you are presenting yourself as a male then follow the male dress code.

If someone isn't comfortable because a "male" is presenting "female" or vice versa, that's a P2 issue. However, if the uncomfortable situation is due to "shock and drama" crap.. then that's different.

 

[Jerry]

While I fully support this new law, I do so with one caveat, the employer needs some protection against employees that abuse the system, or care more about their own personal... needs then the job. Just as I would no matter what the situation was. Work > You. The individual must be held accountable as well as the work place, it's a 50-50 share of responsible workers and understanding employers in situations like this.

Ok, I understand that some people have a problem, like G.I.D., that's fine.

Just pick one and stick with it, the rest of the world will deal with it. No problem.

Enough switching back and forth all the time. Make up your ****ing mind.

...and you should at least look the part somewhat....I mean if you want to live as a woman, then realize that women don't have a 5 o-clock shadow....well ok some do but that's a diferent story.

 

[Omgitsme]

Ok, I understand that some people have a problem, like G.I.D., that's fine.

Just pick one and stick with it, the rest of the world will deal with it. No problem.

Enough switching back and forth all the time. Make up your ****ing mind.

...and you should at least look the part somewhat....I mean if you want to live as a woman, then realize that women don't have a 5 o-clock shadow....well ok some do but that's a diferent story.

Well some people who dress like girls dont have GID but just enjoy acting like a girl for a little while for various reasons. Although I have to agree with you on the 5 o clock shadow thing. It kind of ruins the look if you forgot to shave.

 

[Omgitsme]

If someone isn't comfortable because a "male" is presenting "female" or vice versa, that's a P2 issue. However, if the uncomfortable situation is due to "shock and drama" crap.. then that's different.

By shock and drama do you mean someone dressing as the other sex just to get reactions? If so then I agree completely with you.

 

[Jerry]

Well some people who dress like girls dont have GID but just enjoy acting like a girl for a little while for various reasons.

Well those people need to go suck a fat one and realize that in the real world we have to act like adults, not confused 6 year olds.

 

[Omgitsme]

Well those people need to go suck a fat one and realize that in the real world we have to act like adults, not confused 6 year olds.

Confused six year olds? How are people who crossdress acting like kids instead of adults?

 

[What if...?]

Well those people need to go suck a fat one and realize that in the real world we have to act like adults, not confused 6 year olds.

I utterly reject the real worlds "have tos". I live my life as I see fit, I obey the rules I agree with or don't want to pay the consequences for not following. I did not ask anyones permission to live my life, nor did I ask to be here.

Frankly, I don't tell anyone how to live their lives, up to the point of demonstrable harm to others. That way, I get to get REAL s**tty when someone tries to tell me how to live mine.

No one has the right to not be offended.

 

[Jerry]

Confused six year olds? How are people who crossdress acting like kids instead of adults?

"Play-testing" different rolls is part of early social development. It belongs in pre-K, not the professional world.

 

[Jerry]

I utterly reject the real worlds "have tos". I live my life as I see fit, I obey the rules I agree with or don't want to pay the consequences for not following. I did not ask anyones permission to live my life, nor did I ask to be here.

Frankly, I don't tell anyone how to live their lives, up to the point of demonstrable harm to others. That way, I get to get REAL s**tty when someone tries to tell me how to live mine.

No one has the right to not be offended.

Aww how cute, some anon that can't even come up with a real handle is play-testing indignantcy.

I'm so glad I don't have an office job where these things are an issue. You don't cross-dress in construction or the military.

 

[Carls]

While I fully support this new law, I do so with one caveat, the employer needs some protection against employees that abuse the system, or care more about their own personal... needs then the job. Just as I would no matter what the situation was. Work > You. The individual must be held accountable as well as the work place, it's a 50-50 share of responsible workers and understanding employers in situations like this.

i will not support this law. perhaps if employee wears girls clothes, then the employer should not pay him. :sun:

 

[Omgitsme]

"Play-testing" different rolls is part of early social development. It belongs in pre-K, not the professional world.

Normally crossdressers arnt play testing as you say. They enjoy dressing up as the opposite gender for many different reasons.

 

[Jerry]

Normally crossdressers arnt play testing as you say. They enjoy dressing up as the opposite gender for many different reasons.

Yeah and I enjoy playing video games.

Doesn't mean I have some right to do it at work, especially when it's a disturbance.

Keep your hobbies at home.

 

[Omgitsme]

Yeah and I enjoy playing video games.

Doesn't mean I have some right to do it at work, especially when it's a disturbance.

Keep your hobbies at home.

You cant work and play video games at the same time. Also for many crossdressing is much more then just a hobby.

 

[Jerry]

You cant work and play video games at the same time. Also for many crossdressing is much more then just a hobby.

...because they're ****ed in the head.

If you don't have a documented problem, such as GID or transexuality, and cross-dressing is disrupting your coworkers, then either go home and change into an adult, find another place to work, or kindly die; quietly.

 

[Redress]

...because they're ****ed in the head.

If you don't have a documented problem, such as GID or transexuality, and cross-dressing is disrupting your coworkers, then either go home and change into an adult, find another place to work, or kindly die; quietly.

If crossdressing but within a basic dress code is disrupting workers, those workers need to grow the **** up. It's not hard to not worry about what some one is wearing.

 

[Renae]

By shock and drama do you mean someone dressing as the other sex just to get reactions? If so then I agree completely with you.

Dressing as the other sex for effect, or wearing... over the top clothes, gaudy makeup... all for effect. Dressing like Mimi from the drew carrey show comes to mind.

 

[Redress]

Dressing as the other sex for effect, or wearing... over the top clothes, gaudy makeup... all for effect. Dressing like Mimi from the drew carrey show comes to mind.

Or wearing a suit. That is, by definition, dressing for effect.

 

[Renae]

Or wearing a suit. That is, by definition, dressing for effect.

Replace effect with "shock"...

 

[Jerry]

If crossdressing but within a basic dress code is disrupting workers, those workers need to grow the **** up. It's not hard to not worry about what some one is wearing.

Yeah that dress code is usually sex-specific.

If you feel the need to cross dress, and you're not drunk, you need professional help.

 

[Your Star]

Abuse the system... how, exactly?

This law should protect real transgender people who are in transition, and not people who want to hurt the business by dressing up to cause a stir.