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CA ban smoking in your own home.

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What do you think of this? Is it fair?
 
I'd really prefer not to watch a video.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

The title of the thread is dishonest;

But finally, after more than a year of deliberation, the Council passed the law in October 2007, barring smoking anywhere in the city of about 25,000 except in detached homes and yards, streets and some sidewalks, and designated smoking areas outside.
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So if you have a house that isn't attached to a complex, you can smoke all you want in private.

There is somewhat of a valid reason to bar smoking in apartments as the article cites, but that really should be done by the apartments themselves rather then a city wide ban like that one.
 
obvious Child said:
I'd really prefer not to watch a video.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

The title of the thread is dishonest;



So if you have a house that isn't attached to a complex, you can smoke all you want in private.

There is somewhat of a valid reason to bar smoking in apartments as the article cites, but that really should be done by the apartments themselves rather then a city wide ban like that one.
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Wait a minute. This is about a law passed a year and a half ago? Is there a statute of limitations on starting threads about old issues?
 
Redress said:
Wait a minute. This is about a law passed a year and a half ago? Is there a statute of limitations on starting threads about old issues?
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Old news that it is a person can still have an opinion :).
 
You should be able to smoke in your own home or in your own back or front yead.
 
obvious Child said:
But what if that infringes upon someone else's private property?
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Well I said general I instantly knew I should have qualified it, for instance common sense has to be used. A private hospital is still not a place for smoking nor a room full of petrol tanks.

I don't think the above is a particularly realistic situation at least in significant terms. I mean if you smoke on your baloney and a little bit of smoke floats across to your neighbour's then that is not an realistic infringement of their private property rights; the alarmism of some PC anti-smoking propagandists notwithstanding. But if it was a genuine, significant infringement then it should not happen.

What I'm more talking about is places like your own house, garden, bar or workplace and such. The laws against smoking in private bars, clubs and restaurants are idiotic and a complete infringement of private property because they pretty much rely on either the idea that individuals can't decide whether or not to go into a bar that allows smoking themselves or that if they don't want to got o bars that allow such then they should be able to force this view on someone else's private property.
 
I support smoking ban in homes (the actual structure, not the yard, etc) where children live.

I had to grow up around it, I had asthma because of it, and I didn't appreciate it.

When I have to work in a smoker's home, my gums and eyes become very irritated and focusing on my job more difficult. Call it an occupational hazard, but it's a hazard non the less and one which can be eliminated.

When comming from a smoker's house to a non smoker's house in the same day, try getting the non-smoking cliant to back off their complaint that they don't want you there because you smell like smoke.

Your smoking costs ME money.

So, now that I vote in support of these bans you know how something someone does in the privacy of their own home can directly effect you.

For the record: if/when they legalize pot, I want that banned from inside your home also.
 
Jerry said:
I support smoking ban in homes (the actual structure, not the yard, etc) where children live.

I had to grow up around it, I had asthma because of it, and I didn't appreciate it.

When I have to work in a smoker's home, my gums and eyes become very irritated and focusing on my job more difficult. Call it an occupational hazard, but it's a hazard non the less and one which can be eliminated.

When comming from a smoker's house to a non smoker's house in the same day, try getting the non-smoking cliant to back off their complaint that they don't want you there because you smell like smoke.

Your smoking costs ME money.

So, now that I vote in support of these bans you know how something someone does in the privacy of their own home can directly effect you.

For the record: if/when they legalize pot, I want that banned from inside your home also.
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If people aren't capable of deciding for themselves whether to go onto private property that allows smoking then their is little they could be trusted with. I'm not an absolutist about all private property, although I generally support it certainly, but this kind of ban seems to pretty much only be an unreasonable attack on private property.
 
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Wessexman said:
If people aren't capable of deciding for themselves whether to go onto private property that allows smoking then their is little they could be trusted with. I'm not an absolutist about all private property, although I generally support it certainly, but this kind of ban seems to pretty much only be an unreasonable attack on private property.
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When your private property is literaly my workplace, the rules change.
 
Wessexman said:
Well I said general I instantly knew I should have qualified it, for instance common sense has to be used. A private hospital is still not a place for smoking nor a room full of petrol tanks.

I don't think the above is a particularly realistic situation at least in significant terms. I mean if you smoke on your baloney and a little bit of smoke floats across to your neighbour's then that is not an realistic infringement of their private property rights; the alarmism of some PC anti-smoking propagandists notwithstanding. But if it was a genuine, significant infringement then it should not happen.

What I'm more talking about is places like your own house, garden, bar or workplace and such. The laws against smoking in private bars, clubs and restaurants are idiotic and a complete infringement of private property because they pretty much rely on either the idea that individuals can't decide whether or not to go into a bar that allows smoking themselves or that if they don't want to got o bars that allow such then they should be able to force this view on someone else's private property.
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While in your home, you have to follow OSHA regulation while in the construction zone just as I do. Even if you're not working there, if OSHA says you have to have steel toes (for example), and you don't, and your injured and try to sue my employer, you'll likely loose because you weren't complying with OSHA.

Once I set up shop in your place, that aria is now a "construction zone" for all legal purposes.
 
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Jerry said:
While in your home, you have to follow OSHA regulation while in the construction zone just as I do. Even if you're not working there, if OSHA says you have to have steel toes (for example), and you don't, and your injured and try to sue my employer, you'll likely loose because you weren't complying with OSHA.

Once I set up shop in your place, that aria is now a "construction zone" for all legal purposes.
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And unless smoking poses an immediate danger there is no need to ban it, at least completely, from the workplace. People are capable of making the choices of whether they wish to work for a place that does allow it in many places.
 
Wessexman said:
And unless smoking poses an immediate danger there is no need to ban it, at least completely, from the workplace. People are capable of making the choices of whether they wish to work for a place that does allow it in many places.
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It does pose an immediate danger.

One of the routine jobs we do is called a "kitchen tune up", where instead of completely replacing your cabinets, counters, etc, we re-finish them, replace old hinges, maybe replace the sink, etc. It's a very cost-effective way to make an old kitchen look and feel newer.

Anyway, the refinishing and stains are flammable, so I don't think I need to tell you how a smoking home owner looking in on the project could pose an immediate danger. The same is true for trim and base boarding stains, but we typically stain in the driveway or at the shop (we're not allowed to smoke in the shop, either, for the exact same reason). Smoking around a tune-up job is like smoking at a gas station.

Even if I accepted your argument that I shouldn't care about acquiring a chronic illness from your drug addiction, you are harming my ability to work safely.
 
Jerry said:
It does pose an immediate danger.

One of the routine jobs we do is called a "kitchen tune up", where instead of completely replacing your cabinets, counters, etc, we re-finish them, replace old hinges, maybe replace the sink, etc. It's a very cost-effective way to make an old kitchen look and feel newer.

Anyway, the refinishing and stains are flammable, so I don't think I need to tell you how a smoking home owner looking in on the project could pose an immediate danger. The same is true for trim and base boarding stains, but we typically stain in the driveway or at the shop (we're not allowed to smoke in the shop, either, for the exact same reason). Smoking around a tune-up job is like smoking at a gas station.

Even if I accepted your argument that I shouldn't care about acquiring a chronic illness from your drug addiction, you are harming my ability to work safely.
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I don't smoke. I'm not saying you should be able to smoke around petrol tanks or anything but when such hazards aren't around it is not up to the state to tell an employer where he can or can't allow smoking. If his workers don't like the rules they don't have to work for him.
 
Wessexman said:
I don't smoke. I'm not saying you should be able to smoke around petrol tanks or anything but when such hazards aren't around it is not up to the state to tell an employer where he can or can't allow smoking. If his workers don't like the rules they don't have to work for him.
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It's not a matter of not working for an indivigual...it would mean leaving the entire profession.

Smoking can't hold a candle to someone's career.
 
Constantly working in smoker's homes inhibits my lung capacity.

OSHA requires a given lung capacity to use a resporator.

I have to use a resporater for everything from demolition to insulation and stains.

Therfore, your smoking is a dyrect threat to my career, and I will never support it.
 
Jerry said:
Constantly working in smoker's homes inhibits my lung capacity.

OSHA requires a given lung capacity to use a resporator.

I have to use a resporater for everything from demolition to insulation and stains.

Therfore, your smoking is a dyrect threat to my career, and I will never support it.
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So, because you work in people's homes you feel entitled to boss them around while you're there. That's nice.
 
Tucker Case said:
Yeah. You're arguing that working in people's homes entitles you to try and get the government to boss them around. :2razz:
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Yes, because you're home is now my place of employment I therefore want the governement to come in and make you perform my every wish. Rub my feet, get me a beer, where's the ****ing remote? ;)
 
Jerry said:
Yes, because you're home is now my place of employment I therefore want the governement to come in and make you perform my every wish. Rub my feet, get me a beer, where's the ****ing remote? ;)
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Would you like nachoes too:2razz:
 
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