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Buy Bye Howard Dean?

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It was reported extensively that Howard Dean's proclivity for fund raising was the weight that put him over the top when the Democrats decided to put him in charge. They made him the Chairman for the Democrat National Committee. The former left-wing liberal Governor of Vermont was also a former potential candidate for President during the 2004 elections.

Howard Dean has always had trouble with or trouble caused by the words that come out of his mouth. It was his words that blew him right out of contention in the race for the nomination for the Democrat's presidential hopeful. Now, it seems that those such as former Vice Presidental candidate Senator John Edwards (D) and others seek to distance them from some recent remarks. I should point out that in the typical political fashion of Democrats and Republicans, those such as Edwards stop short of asking this harmful element to the party to step down.

Just as the Republicans needed Democrats to enable a Republican President, Senators and Congressmen and Women as well as Governors in various states to be elected; so do the Democrats need moderate or liberal Republicans to advance their candidates. The Democrats also need their own moderate or conservative Democrats to achieve the same successes. Howard Dean is the wrong man at the right time in the wrong position with the wrong words.

He has said recently that "Republicans haven't made an honest living in their lives". I have been a Republican and I have been a Democrat as well as an Independent just because my state won't let me register Non-Partisan which would make the politicians wonder about me instead of me having to wonder about them. Howard Dean's remarks don't endear me to the Democrat's cause by any means.

Howard Dean shoud go if the Democrats actually seek the middle-road that Hillary is said to be seeking for her run for President. Who says she wants to be known as a Centrist? Why former President Bill Clinton. I think if the Democrats were smart they would implore President Clinton to head their party. There is where he can do some good because he doesn't really have to worry about the Republicans that don't like him cause they never will. Otherwise, the Democrats seem to be going down the same road as they did with John Kerry. The losing road.
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Do you even know what that quote was in cotext of? No you don't. Why don't you stop watching FOX's blasting of that one line and look at the entire speech. It was about Ohio's election and how in districts where Dems won, people were waiting forever, missing work (which is what he was getting at if you listen-which I know you don't) waiting in line up to 8 hours where in most Republican districts, funds for new polling were given and people waited less than an hour, never missing work. It wasn't about never working, it was about causing people to miss work and how it seemed that Republicans didn't understand the need to work. That is what he meant and even said so on some Wolf Blitzer show.
 

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ShamMol said:
Do you even know what that quote was in cotext of? No you don't. Why don't you stop watching FOX's blasting of that one line and look at the entire speech. It was about Ohio's election and how in districts where Dems won, people were waiting forever, missing work (which is what he was getting at if you listen-which I know you don't) waiting in line up to 8 hours where in most Republican districts, funds for new polling were given and people waited less than an hour, never missing work. It wasn't about never working, it was about causing people to miss work and how it seemed that Republicans didn't understand the need to work. That is what he meant and even said so on some Wolf Blitzer show.
FIRST: I live in Ohio & I was in & out of my voting location in less than 15 minutes. Everyone else I know had very similar experiences when voting as well. You speak of a few isolated incidences.

SECOND:I have absolutely no respect for Wolf Blitzer. I watch FOX, CNN, MSNBC, & CNBC. All have their faults & all have good qualities as well. Wolf Blitzer is such an idiot that when this Micheal Jackson case first broke he referred to him as Micheal JOHNSON; not just once but three times in just a few short minutes.
 

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To be "fair and balanced," Howard Dean was actually quite the centrist Democrat when he was Vermont's governor. It just seems now that he's lost his way since departing from state politics to national politics. The War on Terror was only his enlightenment as a run-a-muck liberal.

We will have to wait and see how well he has done in the 2nd Quarter of fund-raising. Those numbers come out shortly.

Obviously, this is not good news as a whole for the DNC with senior, well-respected democrats coming out of the woodwork going on national television stating they do not believe their own party chairman does not speak for them. Or as John Edwards stated this past week, ". . . [Howard Dean] may be Chairman, but he is only one voice in that chorus."

I applaud Dean's efforts in adopting and adapting the GOP strategy of playing to the base. But it's all in tone and wording. Something Dean has apparently skimmed over in learning the RNC campaigning methods.
 

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I also still believe, as I stated in another topic, we will all see how effective Howard Dean is come the 2006 midterm elections. If he gets close enough to toppling a GOP majority in either chamber of Congress, he does real well and stands a good chance at bringing a democrat majority in either chamber in '08. In my opinion . . . .
 

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The man is a peon for Hillary and he knows it. He will get worse before it gets better.

When Hillary starts down the path she will prove how "middle of the road" she is. Not on extream right or extream left.

She will be hard to beat.
 

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Arthur Fonzarelli said:
FIRST: I live in Ohio & I was in & out of my voting location in less than 15 minutes. Everyone else I know had very similar experiences when voting as well. You speak of a few isolated incidences.
I am not speaking of anything, I am saying what he said the context was.

SECOND:I have absolutely no respect for Wolf Blitzer. I watch FOX, CNN, MSNBC, & CNBC. All have their faults & all have good qualities as well. Wolf Blitzer is such an idiot that when this Micheal Jackson case first broke he referred to him as Micheal JOHNSON; not just once but three times in just a few short minutes.
Well, he was the one interviewing him and the only one to do so that day, so I watched. People make mistakes, as I have seen in myself and others. Did you ever stop to consider he gets some great interviews? He does, and not many people at that time get the same amount, give him some credit. You say I speak of isolated instances, yet you mention them as the undeniable fact.
 

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The man is a peon for Hillary and he knows it. He will get worse before it gets better.

When Hillary starts down the path she will prove how "middle of the road" she is. Not on extream right or extream left.

She will be hard to beat.
You know, I feel bad for the man, because he should be so much more than that. Wehn he was ranked by people from liberal to moderate, he is always one of the most moderate of those who were running in 2004. He just learned what politics was about, playing to those who can get out the vote. And those for his party are the extreme left.

Now Hillary, I really, really, really don't like her. I think she is a political opportunist and I will be sick if she wins the primaries. Now, after the primaries, depending on who she is up against, I am afraid taht I will have to support her just like with Kerry.

Middle of the road candidates are truthful and are hard to beat, but luckily for those of us who hate political opportunist such as her, she also has hate clubs who hate her enough to fight, so, lucky us.
 

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email from some random member who was too afraid to post this to my face named Manoffiji said:
I'm sorry that you feel that Howard Dean had some type of justifiable reason to say what he did but it's not going to be things like that that will win the dems the next election. This isn't the first time that Dean has made a fool of himself. When he said that all Republicans were evil and so forth can you think of a very justifiable reason for that Mr. Sham? Quit defending the far left and move back towards the right where most of America is proudly hanging out.

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First off, don't be afraid to say your views on this forum, it is great, try it.

I am sure that you and all those people who are proudly hanging out with the right feel that he is a dismal failure, but I see him as a success. Now, this may be my naive nature since I am young, but I love to see soemone speaking the truth, or at least speaking what they feel to be the truth, especially when it is attacking those that are currently in power.

You think there isn't a justifiable posistion for the one he is taking? Well, Mr. Sham has this to say-get real. Who caused misery through the Iraq war-the Republicans, who have caused all the wrongs these past 5 years with the exception of one huge one, the Republicans. So, when he says that they are evil, or at least that the leadership is (especially with Tommy boy), I would tend to agree with the latter.

Dean didn't make a fool of himself, it was really a great speak, I encourage you to read it or watch it, I saw it on the BBC in its completness. You may not agree, but that doesn't automatically make it a bad speech.

And don't ever email me again. Pm me, post it, I don't care, just don't ever email me.
 

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ShamMol said:
Do you even know what that quote was in cotext of? No you don't. Why don't you stop watching FOX's blasting of that one line and look at the entire speech. It was about Ohio's election and how in districts where Dems won, people were waiting forever, missing work (which is what he was getting at if you listen-which I know you don't) waiting in line up to 8 hours where in most Republican districts, funds for new polling were given and people waited less than an hour, never missing work. It wasn't about never working, it was about causing people to miss work and how it seemed that Republicans didn't understand the need to work. That is what he meant and even said so on some Wolf Blitzer show.
I'm sorry. I heard this all day long on MSNBC; possibly a FNC wanna be in so far as the poor ratings but as to my media bent? I may lean conservative or liberal but I like to watch news outlets with a variety of views. I switch outlets frequently but I would say MSNBC composes approximately 60% of my viewing and FNC approximately 10%. The rest is dependent upon where a story has originated (CNN is reporting, etc.).

Any politician and, Howard Dean is a politician, needs to be mindful of the way he uses the words to express any position. The media will chew up and spit out conservative and liberal. The bias I see is that conservatives are chewed on more and conservatives get less emphasis on the good than liberals. Many stories that would benefit conservatives are ignored by the media. I find this out by being willing to watch some FNC while also watching other more liberal networks. My reading in the main is the New York Times and the Washington Post, hardly bastions of conservatism.

I think Howard Dean is bad for the Democrat party but that doesn't mean I am a republican or even conservative. You seem to think differently. You ask the questions about me and then answer. I appreciate your wanting to save me time.
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I think he is an excellent spokes person for the left. He defines the party and he is truthful about how they think. They hate Republicans, Religion, anyone with an opposing view, and think they are the smartest box in the room. He portrays them well. The left has been the party of hate for the last 15 to 20 years. I am glad he is showing everyone what they are all about. :sword:
 

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He also derided the Republicans as "the party of white Christians". This was not a statement about the poor people standing in some line. This man shot his own candidacy by spitting bullets from his very mouth. Listen and learn. He's really out in left field to the point that he has been warned by his own party. Don't think you'll be able to keep Howard down though. He's gone well before the next elections. :duel :cool:
 

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The man is a peon for Hillary and he knows it. He will get worse before it gets better.

When Hillary starts down the path she will prove how "middle of the road" she is. Not on extream right or extream left.

She will be hard to beat.
She's already toast. Too many people hate her already. It really doesn't make any difference what she does or says at this point. Not mention even if she does start showing head way, FNC will take some statement or quote, most likely out of context, put it on a 20 min. loop and finish her off.
 

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I think Howard Dean is doing an excellent job in driving voters to the ranks of the Republicans. I hope he sticks around and continues to do exactly what he has been so good at; helping swell the Republican ranks.

Go Howard!
 

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There was a pundit on MSNBC that said Howard would be gone before the next elections. Then they speculated if he would run for President again. I don't doubt for a minute that Howard Dean is a politician who appeals to many on the left. We have a new breed of Liberal who wants to be called Progressive and they fawn over Howard. Howard is a Liberal from the Ultra Left Wing. He's from Vermont where the multitudes love him and the multitudes hate him. Vermont; where you will find Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the house. And Vermont; where you will find Senator Jim Jeffords. Is he still an Independent Democrat?

Howard Dean makes the news entertainment networks interesting except that when they beat a dead horse until it is useless I tend to change the channel.
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Fantasea said:
I think Howard Dean is doing an excellent job in driving voters to the ranks of the Republicans. I hope he sticks around and continues to do exactly what he has been so good at; helping swell the Republican ranks.

Go Howard!
(Moderator) That is a great assessment, Fantasea.
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vauge said:
The man is a peon for Hillary and he knows it. He will get worse before it gets better.

When Hillary starts down the path she will prove how "middle of the road" she is. Not on extream right or extream left.

She will be hard to beat.
I agree Vague! All Hillary has to do is win every state that Kerry won plus either Ohio or Florida and she's President.

If any of you out there do not think this is a very reasonable scenario, fine, keep underestimating her chances. Remember she can lose all the Red States by 100% to 0% if she holds onto the Blue States and wins Ohio or Florida by ONE vote.

Toss Obama onto the ticket and Republicans will find it tough to win some of the other Red States, i.e. Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico.

 

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I agree Vague! All Hillary has to do is win every state that Kerry won plus either Ohio or Florida and she's President.

If any of you out there do not think this is a very reasonable scenario, fine, keep underestimating her chances. Remember she can lose all the Red States by 100% to 0% if she holds onto the Blue States and wins Ohio or Florida by ONE vote.

Toss Obama onto the ticket and Republicans will find it tough to win some of the other Red States, i.e. Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico.
I knew if I hung out enough I might find a post from you I could agree with. It is possible that Senator Clinton can overcome her ultra left wing reputation and actually win the nomination of her party. I do think it is counting chickens before you fry them to suggest she could become President before you know who her opponent may be. The major problem I see for Senator Clinton is that there are so many unanswered questions and these are questions she has avoided. What are those questions? No, no links or quotes here but there will be a media presence that will remind you when the time comes. Of course it will be the opposition's biased media.

John Kerry just FINALLY released his military records last week after promising numerous times during the campaign and after that he would. One of the reasons he lost is he gave the opposition press the ammunition to shoot him down. No one likes someone, especially a presidential candidate, that won't answer questions when they know his party requires it from the other. Hillary may have the same problem. Investigations have been done you say? Not with the forthcoming help of Senator Clinton they haven't. It won't be Rick Lazzio she will be running against I am sure.

Still, I have to agree with your post; as far as it goes.
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I knew if I hung out enough I might find a post from you I could agree with. It is possible that Senator Clinton can overcome her ultra left wing reputation and actually win the nomination of her party. I do think it is counting chickens before you fry them to suggest she could become President before you know who her opponent may be.
Hell has frozen over! I'm scared, very, very scared... :lol:

I'm "praying" that the rapture right keeps its strangle hold on the Republican party eliminating McCain & Guilliani from getting the nomination as they would be the most formidable opponents against Hillary.

Hopefully it will be someone like Frist, the perfect choice for the dominant wing of the Republican party. So let's all "pray" for Bill Frist to sweep across the Red States and garner the nomination! Go Bill!

The it will be Bill v Hill instead of Bill AND Hill.....
 

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Hell has frozen over! I'm scared, very, very scared... :lol:

I'm "praying" that the rapture right keeps its strangle hold on the Republican party eliminating McCain & Guilliani from getting the nomination as they would be the most formidable opponents against Hillary.

Hopefully it will be someone like Frist, the perfect choice for the dominant wing of the Republican party. So let's all "pray" for Bill Frist to sweep across the Red States and garner the nomination! Go Bill!

The it will be Bill v Hill instead of Bill AND Hill.....
Well not to burst any party balloons but there is a congressman I believe from Ohio on the Republican side (sorry I've only heard him mentioned a few times) but it is said he has the ability to come from nowhere as did JFK for most of the country and make a mark with his presence and centrist ideas. I really would not count Senator Clinton in other than maybe, and I do say maybe, as the nominee of her party. These centrist or conservative Democrats may not be able to stomach Senator Clinton. There are still a lot of variables but I do understand you speak from your own preferences.

Just don't expect Howard Dean to be the Terry McAuliff nor should you expect the Clintons to accept Howard Dean if the party truly turns Senator Clinton's way. There is no love lost between the Clinton and Dean camps not to mention Kerry and another one that may run, John Edwards. John Edwards is now becoming more outspoken and leading up to the elections I think he will become more so.

At least Al Gore won't run. What with Kerry getting worse grades at Yale than Bush (that's what his military records showed) even after the media painted him as the smart one; Al Gore had so many F's in his classes (one semester it was 5 F's out of 9 classes) that he dropped out and never got a degree. Senator Clinton has been touted as the smartest woman in politics but, we have seen her make mistakes before and just as Bush, Kerry and Al Gore or anyone you wish to mention, she will again.
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I'm sorry. I heard this all day long on MSNBC; possibly a FNC wanna be in so far as the poor ratings but as to my media bent? I may lean conservative or liberal but I like to watch news outlets with a variety of views. I switch outlets frequently but I would say MSNBC composes approximately 60% of my viewing and FNC approximately 10%. The rest is dependent upon where a story has originated (CNN is reporting, etc.).

Any politician and, Howard Dean is a politician, needs to be mindful of the way he uses the words to express any position. The media will chew up and spit out conservative and liberal. The bias I see is that conservatives are chewed on more and conservatives get less emphasis on the good than liberals. Many stories that would benefit conservatives are ignored by the media. I find this out by being willing to watch some FNC while also watching other more liberal networks. My reading in the main is the New York Times and the Washington Post, hardly bastions of conservatism.

I think Howard Dean is bad for the Democrat party but that doesn't mean I am a republican or even conservative. You seem to think differently. You ask the questions about me and then answer. I appreciate your wanting to save me time.
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I am starting to wonder if Dean might be a republican party as he is a greater asset to republicans as DNC prez than the dems. Love it!
 

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I am starting to wonder if Dean might be a republican party as he is a greater asset to republicans as DNC prez than the dems. Love it!
When's the last time someone voted for or against the party chairman when voting for President or any other office? I know! NEVER!

Those of you who dislike Dean would never vote for a Democrat anyway, just like those of us who find KEN MEHLMAN a tool. Did you see him on Meet The Press a week ago? He was PATHETIC! Everytime Tim Russert put up a slide with a quote that proved the President wrong he said the same thing, "I respectfully disagree." He said it almost a dozen times!

My point is that nothing he would say would make me vote for a Republican, and the same goes with Dean.

Both parties will raise buckets full of cash so that is irrelevant too.

The real question is what are you Republicans going to do about this:

 

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When's the last time someone voted for or against the party chairman when voting for President or any other office? I know! NEVER!

Those of you who dislike Dean would never vote for a Democrat anyway, just like those of us who find KEN MEHLMAN a tool. Did you see him on Meet The Press a week ago? He was PATHETIC! Everytime Tim Russert put up a slide with a quote that proved the President wrong he said the same thing, "I respectfully disagree." He said it almost a dozen times!

My point is that nothing he would say would make me vote for a Republican, and the same goes with Dean.

Both parties will raise buckets full of cash so that is irrelevant too.

The real question is what are you Republicans going to do about this:

Easy...McCain--Rice 2008
 

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Easy...McCain--Rice 2008
You see, the thing is that the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Rapture Right and there's no way they'll allow McCain to win the nomination.

As far as Rice goes, she has clearly stated over and over that she will not run for any office, nor has she ever run for any office.

Hillary & Obama ARE REAL....McCain & Rice are FICTION. Remember, that Fact is stranger than Fiction....
 

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I think that picture is supposed to be of Harold Ford Jr. and Hilary (I'm not sure which is which). Although I am a republican I do like Ford. However, his uncle is going through a big state political scandal. Now this has nothing to do with Harold and he is in no way implicated, but it's a political scandal involving his family.

http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3092138

http://www.volhouse.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t6321.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8018157

Image is everything. Look how Kerry's actions during and after the Vietnam war affected his campaign.
 
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