When have the left supported much of anything that Bush has done?Stinger said:If privacy is sooooooooooooo important to all the leftist here, then how can you possible support Bush doing this to us all?
Simon W. Moon said:Well the underlying premise of your debate draws a comparison between very disparate things.
The fact that you have thrown them together as if they have some sort of equivalency reveals that your assessment of the situation is beyond the reach a few short paragraphs of a post.
This is prob'ly the reason that so few people have bit. It's just a silly sounding premise for a debate.
Good luck w/ it.
shuamort said:When have the left supported much of anything that Bush has done?
Simon W. Moon said:The question is how important and valuable are Americans' Constitutional rights?
I mean if you find the Constitution "quaint" or "antiquainted" and think that the Fourth amendment can take a flying leap, then I can see why you wouldn't care if it were violated or not.
Simon W. Moon said:The question is how important and valuable are Americans' Constitutional rights?
I mean if you find the Constitution "quaint" or "antiquainted" and think that the Fourth amendment can take a flying leap, then I can see why you wouldn't care if it were violated or not.
Simon W. Moon said:If you're okay w/ a Dr giving you a rectal examine (certainly an invasion of privacy) why aren't you okay w/ your neighbor watching your sex life through the window?
I mean they're both privacy issues. Since they're both privacy issues, they must be equivalents.
Simon W. Moon said:The question is how important and valuable are Americans' Constitutional rights?
I mean if you find the Constitution "quaint" or "antiquainted" and think that the Fourth amendment can take a flying leap, then I can see why you wouldn't care if it were violated or not.
Its a "stretch" that is a matter of wide ranging precedent.Calm2Chaos said:How exactly does illegal search and sezure pertain to this. Yor definetly stretching the definition of search if your using it with the present situation.
FISA warrants can be obtained retroactively. That means you can go and defuse the bomb, then, afterward, apply for the warrant.Calm2Chaos said:Course we could go through the standard court drama while trying to get the warrant. But after the explosion hapens are they still going to be very usefull?
When the choice is die on your feet or live on your knees, I'll take the American choice everytime.Navy Pride said:I guess I don't know what constitutional rights do for you if your dead from a terrorist attack that might have been avoided if the CIA was given the leeway they needed to protect us..........
Navy Pride said:Lets face it people when it comes to protecting this country against acts of terrorism the president is in a no win situation when it comes to our left wing friends..........
We have not had any attacks on this country in over 4 years and our liberal friends don't want to give the President any credit for that so they rant and rave about the loss of civil rights and if God forbid there was another attack on this country these same liberals would be ranting and raving that the president did not do enough to protect us against and attack..........
I say do whatever it takes to protects us against terrorist attacks and thank you for keeping us safe for the past 4 years President Bush.........
origionally posted by Navy Pride
Lets face it people when it comes to protecting this country against acts of terrorism the president is in a no win situation when it comes to our left wing friends..........
We have not had any attacks on this country in over 4 years and our liberal friends don't want to give the President any credit for that so they rant and rave about the loss of civil rights and if God forbid there was another attack on this country these same liberals would be ranting and raving that the president did not do enough to protect us against and attack..........
I say do whatever it takes to protects us against terrorist attacks and thank you for keeping us safe for the past 4 years President Bush.........
Really? I haven't heard that at all from the lefties I've talked to. Can you offer up a site?Stinger said:They certainly seem to support this invasion of privacy but complain like heck when we invade the privacy of terrorist.
Stinger said:They certainly seem to support this invasion of privacy but complain like heck when we invade the privacy of terrorist.
Simon W. Moon said:When the choice is die on your feet or live on your knees, I'll take the American choice everytime.
Further, there's no indication that violating Constitutional rights increases safety. So, it's a doubly dumb deal to take.
SouthernDemocrat said:"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
-Benjamin Franklin
You let the President ignore the Constitution and the rule of law in the name of protecting your security, and you set a precedent for every president that follows. You may trust Bush, but I doubt you will trust all of them. Way too many men have died fighting to protect our freedoms and our liberty for us just to hand them over to the president in exchange for some promise of security.
Navy Pride said:Yeah I have heard that quote from BF.......When was that 1780? Don't think BF had to worry about dirty nuclear bombs killing millions of American then..do you?:roll:
SouthernDemocrat said:If you are prepared to argue that the Constitution and the ideals of our Founding Fathers are irrelevant today, then you my friend are in the wrong country. They will always be relevant. They are the principles that our nation is based in. We were a new nation at the time and facing the world’s greatest super power. Yet still our Founders believed that our liberty and freedom should not be sacrificed. We will always face threats. The Constitution and our founding ideals are as relevant today as they will be 1000 years from now.
What do we fight for if we don’t fight for our land and our liberty? All of our lives will one day be merely an insignificant spec in the history of man. Our liberty however is what we will hand down to countless future generations. If we are so cowardly as to sacrifice our liberty today just on some promise of security, then we will not only give it up for ourselves, but we will also steal it from every generation who follows us.
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