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Bruce Springsteen cancels North Carolina concert over 'bathroom law'[W:163]

sangha said:
Thank you for demonstrating the right's disdain for democracy
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Nice try. You don't get to turn satire into your own point. That line was clearly directed at the left because it is the left that cannot stand people using their freedoms in a manner they find unacceptable. This is why they pass laws and or attack people who have different beliefs. It isn't the right that is sending droves of people to the rallies of the political opposition to attack then, block their freedom of movement, and try and shut them down.

You don't get to fabricate truth.
 
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Paperview said:
And this person here?

By law in NC -- MUST use the men's bathroom.



By law - She is legally required to use the men's bathroom in gov't buildings and public schools.
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The face there says male.
 
Fishking said:
it is the left that cannot stand people using their freedoms in a manner they find unacceptable
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Says the guy supporting a law which denies people the freedom to pass the local laws they want because they find those laws unacceptable :lamo
 
sangha said:
Says the guy supporting a law which denies people the freedom to pass the local laws they want because they find those laws unacceptable :lamo
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You mean a law that keeps people from passing laws that strip people of choice? You got it backasswards, tiger.
 
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Paperview said:
Birth certificate says male.

So "she" would be required to use the men's room. Per law.
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And I'm saying if you look at that face close enough you can tell something is off.
 
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Paperview said:
Birth certificate says male.

So "she" would be required to use the men's room. Per law.
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That is honestly what the protests should be, and it should be an onslaught of public restrooms all over the state. Just have hundreds or more of transgender and transsexual people, even crossdressers, who haven't gotten their birth certificate changed, for whatever reason, especially those who can easily pass for the gender opposite the one on their birth certificate, and just keep using the restroom. They need to just bring their BC with them to prove that they are following the law as written. Put them on TV ads as well. Get people willing to do it and show the state that this law is simply stupid given our current society.
 
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Henrin said:
And I'm saying if you look at that face close enough you can tell something is off.
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First, people don't look at the face that closely when going into a restroom or fitting room or locker room. First impression is absolutely "female, woman, girl".

Second, many people don't notice "something off" or even if they do, don't know what it would be.
 
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roguenuke said:
That is honestly what the protests should be, and it should be an onslaught of public restrooms all over the state. Just have hundreds or more of transgender and transsexual people, even crossdressers, who haven't gotten their birth certificate changed, for whatever reason, especially those who can easily pass for the gender opposite the one on their birth certificate, and just keep using the restroom. They need to just bring their BC with them to prove that they are following the law as written. Put them on TV ads as well. Get people willing to do it and show the state that this law is simply stupid given our current society.
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That would surely change some minds.

Just to add, it's not so easy to get your BC changed in numerous states, it others it's quite a process involving judges and doctors, and in some, no matter what, you can't get your BC changed.

The Miss. bathroom law is worse. There, a person’s gender is “determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.”

So even if one *does* get their BC changed, is post op, they STILL would have to use the bathroom of the gender they are born with...
 
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roguenuke said:
First, people don't look at the face that closely when going into a restroom or fitting room or locker room. First impression is absolutely "female, woman, girl".

Second, many people don't notice "something off" or even if they do, don't know what it would be.
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Paperview said:
That would surely change some minds.

Just to add, it's not so easy to get your BC changed in numerous states, it others it's quite a process involving judges and doctors, and in some, no matter what, you can't get your BC changed.

The Miss. bathroom law is worse. There, a person’s gender is “determined by anatomy and genetics at time of birth.”

So even if one *does* get their BC changed, is post op, they STILL would have to use the bathroom of the gender they are born with...
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Even here in NC, you can't get the BC changed until postop, which means plenty of transgender people who look like the gender they present as, live as a gender that doesn't match their BC are present. They will look much more out of place in the restroom matching their BC sex than they would in the one as they present as.

The Miss. law needs to seriously be challenged. I'd bring in some of those who are chimeras and have the DNA of both genders. Hell, all men have female DNA in the body at time of birth. Genetics is so rarely used to determine sex, particularly at birth.
 
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Henrin said:
The face there says male.
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LOL. There's zero chance you peg that person for a male in real life given what we can see in that picture. :roll:
 
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JasperL said:
LOL. There's zero chance you peg that person for a male in real life given what we can see in that picture. :roll:
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So you think I'm lying? Ok, so go ahead and prove that I'm lying.
 
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JasperL said:
LOL. There's zero chance you peg that person for a male in real life given what we can see in that picture. :roll:
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Btw, the treatment making it easy for trans individuals to deceive people isn't a strong argument to support much of anything.
 
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Henrin said:
Btw, the treatment making it easy for trans individuals to deceive people isn't a strong argument to support much of anything.
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Makeup, clothing, wigs, and various other things all are used to deceive people every day. It is legal to lie to someone you interact with so long as your lies don't cause them harm you should have been able to reasonably foresee.
 
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roguenuke said:
Makeup, clothing, wigs, and various other things all are used to deceive people every day. It is legal to lie to someone you interact with so long as your lies don't cause them harm you should have been able to reasonably foresee.
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I'm not going to get into this with you, but I consider it immoral to present yourself as something you are not.

Of course there might exceptions to that rule, but I can't think of any of them at the moment.

I will also say that I consider it immoral to support people that are deceiving others.
 
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Henrin said:
So you think I'm lying? Ok, so go ahead and prove that I'm lying.
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I can't prove it, obviously, but stating an opinion. That person simply does not present as a man to a casual observer in any setting. And if we were standing at the bathroom door in a big venue, and I could put her in line with 20 other women, I'd take a bet and give you 10-1 odds that you don't identify her as born male. Maybe I'd lose! But I don't think so....
 
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Henrin said:
I'm not going to get into this with you, but I consider it immoral to present yourself as something you are not.

Of course there might exceptions to that rule, but I can't think of any of them at the moment.

I will also say that I consider it immoral to support people that are deceiving others.
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Three cheers for you saying you're in favor of more people coming out of the closet!
 
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Henrin said:
Btw, the treatment making it easy for trans individuals to deceive people isn't a strong argument to support much of anything.
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Accepting your definition of 'deceive', I don't agree. The woman in the picture identifies as, looks like, dresses like, and lives as a woman, and to the world she is simply a woman. The most obvious place for her to use a restroom and cause the least disruption and for her own safety is simply the women's restroom.
 
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JasperL said:
I can't prove it, obviously, but stating an opinion. That person simply does not present as a man to a casual observer in any setting. And if we were standing at the bathroom door in a big venue, and I could put her in line with 20 other women, I'd take a bet and give you 10-1 odds that you don't identify her as born male. Maybe I'd lose! But I don't think so....
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Then don't accuse me of lying. I admittedly didn't know what was wrong with the face at first, but I knew something was wrong, so I looked closer and saw it.
 
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JasperL said:
Accepting your definition of 'deceive', I don't agree. The woman in the picture identifies as, looks like, dresses like, and lives as a woman, and to the world she is simply a woman. The most obvious place for her to use a restroom and cause the least disruption and for her own safety is simply the women's restroom.
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The individual is not a woman and is presenting themselves as such. Big fake boobs still looks like big real boobs to the naive eye, but they are still fake and they are still a form of deception.
 
rocket88 said:
He's that odd sort of "libertarian" who thinks that he knows what's best for everyone. Usually, they believe in everyone's freedom, but apparently small government has someone checking birth certificates at every bathroom.
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Isn't that all Libertarians? I'm sorry. I could resist.
 
Shouldn't we just make one giant bathroom with floor to ceiling doors where every single one has a stall?


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Re: Bruce Springsteen cancels North Carolina concert over 'bathroom law'

Henrin said:
I'm not going to get into this with you, but I consider it immoral to present yourself as something you are not.

Of course there might exceptions to that rule, but I can't think of any of them at the moment.

I will also say that I consider it immoral to support people that are deceiving others.
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And I don't. Morals are relative and subjective.

From their viewpoint (as well as others), there is no deception.
 
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