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Brexit: just what does it mean to European Posters?

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Seven Lessons From the U.K.'s Departure
Mohamed El-Erian, Bloomberg

As global financial markets convulse in response to British citizens voting to leave the European Union, the stunning outcome of the U.K.'s referendum provides more questions than answers. Asdiscussed on Monday, the heightened uncertainty, fueled by sudden institutional instability now compounding long-standing economic fragility and financial fluidity, is likely to cause an unprecedented mix of political turmoil, financial volatility and economic damage in the weeks ahead. It also leaves us with seven lessons whose implications extend well beyond Britain. . . .
 

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To put some more perspective on the issue you raise
A nice sentiment but fair to say that it's likely not shared by many of Brexit voters. Immigration dominated the brexit debate and knowing the vile platform that many of the supporters were pushing (just look at the UKIP EU referendum poster that was released a few days before the vote). It doesn't project support, it's similar to henious Nazi propoganda and doesn't reflect views that would be consistent with promoting support/help for the refugee crisis.
I totally agree on the heinousness in which large (largest) parts of the Brexit campaign was run. One should however not forget that much of it concerned itself with what was considered, falsely or correctly, the Brussels dictate perceived as subjugating national sovereignty on other issues just as important.

Nor, to give criticism where it's deserved, that the majority of EU states shares similar stances of (not) taking in refugees. Or as few as possible. Including, until not so long ago, Germany which did practically nothing to help Italy that was flooded by those that didn't drown off its shores already. The same incidentally applying to Greece.

Keeping its coffers closed in the process to the point that the UNCHR ran out of money to feed those it was caring for.in Jordan and elsewhere. Not just Germany of course but all of them. And all of them meanwhile finding the intermediate solution:roll: in throwing money at the problem again at last, when the problem started actually knocking on the door physically.

All of which will make none of it go away of course but one shouldn't limit the perception of this global problem to a bunch of idiots that were principally miffed (whether they knew it or not and they probably didn't) not so much by refugees (they wouldn't recognize one if s/he bit them in the butt) than by Eastern Europeans coming to Britain in the framework of free EU-movement and having the audacity to actually work.
 

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For me it means the following.

1) Uncertainty across the board which is not good. Economically it can have wide ranging consequences the longer the uncertainty goes on and with the delaying tactics of the British, then this can hurt us all.
2) The further rise of right wing fascism and neo nazism in Europe.
3) Increased nationalism and racism and xenophobia.

I certainly fear for the future of Europe and the world in general. This movement towards nationalism and xenophobia is not good..... as it will lead to war.
I agree with your forecast but probably disagree on the solution. We should have learned something from the Thermidorean Reaction. When society moves faster than society is ready to move, there will be a reaction. Pinochet was a natural consequence of Allende. ISIS is a natural consequence of globalism.
If EU elites continue to press forward despite all the warning signs of popular discontent underneath then they will be the ones responsible. Progress will happen at a proper pace.
You can blame the people for being xenophobic or you can take responsibility for people following their natural and normal response to too rapid change.
As an outsider I hope that Denmark has the ability to remain Denmark. Danes should be Danes. Would hate to see a poorly homogenized mess of discordant elements. And that goes for all EU countries.
 

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Guy Verhofstadt said:
"When will the Council recognise that this type of EU - you cannot defend it any more. Europe needs to be reformed... European citizens are not against Europe, they're against this Europe." Link.

Admirably said. I certainly am not ever for "even more integration" as a solution to the current crisis.
 

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Admirably said. I certainly am not ever for "even more integration" as a solution to the current crisis.

I don't always agree with him, but Guy Verhofstadt is one of the few free thinkers on reforming the EU. I wish there were more like him.
 

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There seems to be a lot of people with strong views from both sides that think that, (A) the Brexit won't ultimately happen. It will just end up as a big kick up the backside to the government as to how disillusioned everybody is.

And (B) If it goes ahead Scotland may well vote for independence, and the interesting bit is that N Ireland could somehow come under or runs along with Scottish rule, and therefore would no longer be part of UK thus returning to one re-united Ireland. So GREAT Britain would in fact just be Wales and England. Probably another reason as to why (A) could be most likely.
 

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There seems to be a lot of people with strong views from both sides that think that, (A) the Brexit won't ultimately happen. It will just end up as a big kick up the backside to the government as to how disillusioned everybody is.

And (B) If it goes ahead Scotland may well vote for independence, and the interesting bit is that N Ireland could somehow come under or runs along with Scottish rule, and therefore would no longer be part of UK thus returning to one re-united Ireland. So GREAT Britain would in fact just be Wales and England. Probably another reason as to why (A) could be most likely.
Don't forget (C) the pipe dreamers.

Brexit will be done and UK relations and conditions attached will remain the same, Brit rebate included and a say-so in EU development as well.

On account of "they" needing us more than we need "them".

The other branch of this pipe dream being that the kick is up "their" backside and the pressure that the UK is thus putting on "them" is such that they'll reform so much to "our" liking that "we" can stay.

One simply can't make this crap up.
 

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On account of "they" needing us more than we need "them".

The other branch of this pipe dream being that the kick is up "their" backside and the pressure that the UK is thus putting on "them" is such that they'll reform so much to "our" liking that "we" can stay ~

Sadly, pensions, jobs, investment and prosperity have all been put at serious risk because of those two pipe-dreams. What a price to pay.
 

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Sadly, pensions, jobs, investment and prosperity have all been put at serious risk because of those two pipe-dreams. What a price to pay.
Yeah, real estate investment fonds frozen to stop outflow of money being just the most recent result. If we're already at prohibitive measures against others getting their money out, that shows how the "no plan" angle is working.

Don't want to over-dramatize what is right now merely a current singular issue but I DO recall times when the pound was being "protected" against further downward spiral by preventing Brits from taking abroad any sum that surpassed a certain amount.
 

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Marinne Le Pen, National Front
Matteo Salvin - Northern League
Viktor Orban - Hungarian Prime Minister
Geert Wilders - Freedom party
Norbert Hofer - Austrian Freedom Party

Link.

Obviously this will appeal to those with similar political views but what response should the moderates, centre and left take from Brexit? Do we let the rogues gallery win populist appeal or would the EU actually take heed and make necessary change to refocus on trade and leave the political ideals behind?
 

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1. economic loss
2. less freedom for travel
3. uncertainty for the immediate future
 
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