Breaking: Trump accepts U.S. intelligence on Russia hacking, top aide says

[Hatuey]

I'm sure you realize that giving a country aid doesn't somehow excuse messing with their elections.

Henrin, as I said - if Israel was concerned that the US is giving money to propel what is basically the only somewhat (personal opinion here) democratic regime in the region they would have already made a fuss about it.

Bibi has no problem telling people what he thinks of Obama when the money is flowing in. I'm sure he has no fear of telling the world what he thinks of US influence once he gives it up. We have around nearly 70 years of influence over Israel, they don't seem to have a problem with it. I'm sure they understand the alternative given the region they live in.

Do you understand the implications of an anti-democracy regime like Putin influencing any government?

 

[calamity]

I didn't give credit to Trump, I gave it to his team. Trump proved when asked whether he'd accept election results that what his team says and what he says are extremely different things.

We will wait to see what Trump says in his next tweet.

Oh. I thought Trump said this. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Chomsky]

Well he retweeted a Meet the Press tweet saying that Conway said that "Russia did not succeed" in attempts to sway the election....so sure.

I take that to mean that US Intel finally made a convincing case.

I could see a turn in Trump after the meeting, but he's so flakey who knows?

But if so, either:

1] The evidence convinced him.

or,

2] He felt the political tide turning.

But I must additionally comment: Kelly Anne's statement here has no factual support, at least not from the Friday briefing.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do you think McCain thinks the US committed an act of war against Israel? I bet not.

Nope, I think McCain is a fool that asserts Obama won that "war" by issuing a stern warning.

In addition to stealing documents from the Democratic National Committee and one of Hillary Clinton's top aides during the presidential campaign, Russian hackers are believed to have breached multiple voter registration systems during the campaign. Those cyberattacks reportedly stopped after a direct warning from President Obama, and federal officials say Russia did not affect the votes cast on Election Day.

"If they succeeded in changing the results of an election, which none of us believe they were, that would have to constitute an attack on the United States of America because of the effects if they had succeeded," McCain said Thursday during a committee hearing with U.S. intelligence officials.

Corker rejects McCain's 'act of war' rhetoric | Washington Examiner!

 

[JasperL]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-accepts-u-intelligence-russia-hacking-chief-staff-150842378.html

I make it a point to give people credit when they deserve it. Trump's team deserves credit for admitting what people have been teling them for weeks in spite of their dismissals. It takes a lot of balls in this political climate to admit they were wrong in their dismissal of what intelligence agencies, the GOP and Democrats have been pointing out.

But we've seen this before - Trump surrogates claiming one thing on one day, then Trump contradicting his own people the very next day. Before giving Trump credit, I'd suggest waiting until you hear from DJT about it. Just as likely (if the past is any guide) he'll be on twitter tonight denying it.

Edit - just saw your earlier clarification. Seems we agree.

 

[Chomsky]

I didn't give credit to Trump, I gave it to his team. Trump proved when asked whether he'd accept election results that what his team says and what he says are extremely different things.

We will wait to see what Trump says in his next tweet.

Yes, I agree.

Trump and his team are two separate entities in terms of disseminating information.

It's totally effed-up, in terms of the American people getting any understanding of the man or his thoughts.

 

[apdst]

Apdst, if you were bragging about how smart you were before an exam, and then once the exam came along you asked people for the answers, would you say they're scared?

No, because that would be pretty stupid. Given that this situation is the same, you really should rethink everything you've said in the post-Trump victory. It will be 4 very long years for you otherwise.

Your fear is noted. :lamo

 

[Hatuey]

Your fear is noted. :lamo

So is you asking them libbos for news ideas.

:lol:

 

[joG]

I wonder how countries like Israel should punish the US for interfering in their elections.

You think ? Are we waging war on Israel? Russia has been on us an a number of other democracies.

 

[Henrin]

You think ? Are we waging war on Israel? Russia has been on us an a number of other democracies.

I think the US meddles in other countries in completely unwelcome and hostile ways all the time. :shrug: The US bitching about election interference is like Mexico complaining about corruption.

 

[Hatuey]

You think ? Are we waging war on Israel? Russia has been on us an a number of other democracies.

Henrin is part of a growing group of Trump defenders (there is a difference between defender and supporter) that actually question why we (Democrats, GOP, intelligence agencies) are all concerned that Russia is impacting our elections when we've impacted those of others. What these people don't understand is that not all influencing is the same.

 

[CriticalThought]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-accepts-u-intelligence-russia-hacking-chief-staff-150842378.html



I make it a point to give people credit when they deserve it. Trump's team deserves credit for admitting what people have been teling them for weeks in spite of their dismissals. It takes a lot of balls in this political climate to admit they were wrong in their dismissal of what intelligence agencies, the GOP and Democrats have been pointing out.

Now, the question is: What are they going to do about it?
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We already know where Trump stood on Russian hacking:

Now I understand why he would pick a mainstream GOPer like Priebus. None of his supporters would care what he says and I doubt right wing media would even report on his comments.

 

[Henrin]

Henrin is part of a growing group of Trump defenders (there is a difference between defender and supporter) that actually question why we (Democrats, GOP, intelligence agencies) are all concerned that Russia is impacting our elections when we've impacted those of others. What these people don't understand is that not all influencing is the same.

I'm not overly concerned with Russia giving people a better understanding of Hillary Clinton. :shrug: I'm not sure why that was needed after decades of proving without a doubt she is scum, but whatever.

 

[Hatuey]

Now I understand why he would pick a mainstream GOPer like Priebus. None of his supporters would care what he says and I doubt right wing media would even report on his comments.

I only agree because we have people actually questioning what's so bad about Russia interfering in our elections when we've worked to prop-up somewhat democratic regimes in the Middle East.

Again, even when they're shown to be wrong by EVERYONE they still try to turn it into something else.

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

I'm not overly concerned with Russia giving people a better understanding of Hillary Clinton.

Please refer to Trump team's statements on the matter. If they thought this was about the Russians shining a bright light on the ignorance of the American people, they wouldn't have 1. denied it 2. dismissed it. 3. claimed it was a political attack. 4 have Trump say it was unfair and now 5. finally admit it happened and something needs to be done about it.

Your cognitive dissonance in the face of the way this thing has developed is pretty obvious, Trump defender.

 

[Henrin]

Please refer to Trump team's statements on the matter. If they thought this was about the Russians shining a bright light on the ignorance of the American people, they wouldn't have 1. denied it 2. dismissed it. 3. claimed it was a political attack. 4 have Trump say it was unfair and now 5. finally admit it happened and something needs to be done about it.

Your cognitive dissonance in the face of the way this thing has developed is pretty obvious, Trump defender.

It is a political attack and nothing that the CIA has said on the matter has shown otherwise.

 

[Hatuey]

It is a political attack and nothing that the CIA has said on the matter has shown otherwise.

Fight that political reality, Henrin. No matter what anybody is saying, fight it. The count is now:

1. Intelligence agencies.
2. Republicans.
3. Democrats.
4. Trump's team.

Against:

You on DP.

:lol:

 

[Chomsky]

Now I understand why he would pick a mainstream GOPer like Priebus. None of his supporters would care what he says and I doubt right wing media would even report on his comments.

I only agree because we have people actually questioning what's so bad about Russia interfering in our elections when we've worked to prop-up somewhat democratic regimes in the Middle East.

Again, even when they're shown to be wrong by EVERYONE they still try to turn it into something else.

:lol:

Yes, CriticalThought's post looks like partisan strawmenship - until you look at the Trump supporters posts here and elsewhere around the forum.

 

[Henrin]

Fight that political reality, Henrin. No matter what anybody is saying, fight it. The count is now:

1. Intelligence agencies.
2. Republicans.
3. Democrats.
4. Trump's team.

Against:

You on DP.

:lol:

1. The bar for the CIA is quite high since they're well known liars and political puppets. They did not reach that bar.
2. Warmongering idiots that love war and hate Russia. No big surprise there.
3. Plenty of political motivation to lie.
4. I Don't care.

 

[Hatuey]

1. The bar for the CIA is quite high since they're well known liars and political puppets. They did not reach that bar.
2. Warmongering idiots that love war and hate Russia. No big surprise there.
3. Plenty of political motivation to lie.
4. I Don't care.

The bar is so high that the people who actually were looking to investigate the CIA and have access to the reports have now accepted what everyone else has been saying.

Then, there is you on the internet saying nuh-uh.

Fight that political reality, Henrin.

Fight it.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I could see a turn in Trump after the meeting, but he's so flakey who knows?

But if so, either:

1] The evidence convinced him.

or,

2] He felt the political tide turning.

But I must additionally comment: Kelly Anne's statement here has no factual support, at least not from the Friday briefing.

We see right at the jump how good, or not, this guy is at politicking, because this is right:

This is a first: Donald Trump is guilty of an understatement, of making a molehill out of a mountain. He called the Washington furor over Russian hacking a “witch hunt” when it is actually far more sinister and dangerous.

Witch hunts end. The Washington mob aims to make sure the election never ends and that Trump can never govern.

Democrats wage anti-Trump offensive for their own gain | New York Post

 

[Henrin]

The bar is so high that the people who actually were looking to investigate the CIA and have access to the reports have now accepted what everyone else has been saying.

Then, there is you on the internet saying nuh-uh.

Fight that political reality, Henrin.

Fight it.

And what they released was bogus nonsense that proved nothing. :shrug:

 

[CriticalThought]

It is a political attack and nothing that the CIA has said on the matter has shown otherwise.

The sad thing is you have made it one. Almost everyone sees Trump as the legitimate president. That would be true even if the hacking had a significant effect on the election, which it probably did not. But because you, Trump, and the rest of his supporters are so fixated on treating this like it is purely a political attack, it is now a solid political attack. It shows how poorly your group and Trump can set aside personal sensibilities to consider national interests, particularly related to national security. National security! Trump’s bread and butter that he harped on with building a wall and forbidding Muslims to enter the country, is now looking like something that can take a backseat to an almost pathological need to defend the legitimacy of his presidency! That is sad!

 

[Hatuey]

And what they released was bogus nonsense that proved nothing. :shrug:

What did they release Henrin?

 

[Henrin]

The sad thing is you have made it one. Almost everyone sees Trump as the legitimate president. That would be true even if the hacking had a significant effect on the election, which it probably did not. But because you, Trump, and the rest of his supporters are so fixated on treating this like it is purely a political attack, it is now a solid political attack. It shows how poorly your group and Trump can set aside personal sensibilities to consider national interests, particularly related to national security. National security! Trump’s bread and butter that he harped on with building a wall and forbidding Muslims to enter the country, is now looking like something that can take a backseat to having to an almost pathological need to defend the legitimacy of his presidency! That is sad!

I read everything that was released and I saw nothing that would work as proof to support their accusations. Making an accusation of wrong doing is NOT proof of wrong doing and apparently intelligence agencies are too dim witted or arrogant to recognize that.

And frankly every country hacks each other, so a big ****ing whoop there. You're not going to stop countries from trying, so secure your **** and stop bitching.