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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

Uncensored2008 said:
The vile Antisemitism
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What is "vile antisemitism"
Why is that aspersion relevant to this discussion?
The ONLY JEWS who are semites are the Mizrahi - the Mizrahi are NOT Zionists and they get along with the Palestinians.

STOP PARROTING BS
 
Contumacious said:
What is "vile antisemitism"
Why is that aspersion relevant to this discussion?
The ONLY JEWS who are semites are the Mizrahi - the Mizrahi are NOT Zionists and they get along with the Palestinians.

STOP PARROTING BS
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Sigh. I've never done genetic testing. But a younger brother did. 30% of his alleles, or whatever it is that's tested for, were associated with Levite lineage. Then, a bunch of Catalan, Sardinia and Southern Italian. Our people were Sephardim, from southern and eastern Italy. So, the whole of it makes perfect sense, because most of the people fleeing the Reconquista and the Inquisition went to Italy, Turkey and Greece by way of Aragonese Sardinia.

No Mizrahi at all.
 
reinaert said:
The Navy is, sure. I like cinnamon and cloves and pepper, so I'm cool with the Navy.


No one has to do anything. I just reject the arrogant moralism of framing it as an existential necessity. Tehran is rational in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Washington is rational in trying to stop proliferation.

I don't really care about peace. I see the human ape; peace is not its leitmotif.

Not pretending that Iran is some kind of special evil, that's for sure. Only one state fits that bill and your lot have been drinking at its pig buckets for a decade now.
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You wrote: "I like cinnamon and cloves and pepper"
Sometimes I miss inside jokes from posters using obscure/cryptic references.
So all parties involved rational in its actions.
I agree. Israel and the U.S. are rational when it comes to using brute force in stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
See? We can agree on some very basic premises.

That's where you're wrong to cling to a minority ideology.
Iran is a special kind of evil because is has sown chaos in the region for decades. At some point they needed to be stopped.
It's like Rome destroying the Carthaginians.
Like England and Prussia destroying Napoleon.
Like the Allies destroying Germany. TWICE!
You get the idea.
 
jaypatriot said:
You wrote: "I like cinnamon and cloves and pepper"
Sometimes I miss inside jokes from posters using obscure/cryptic references.
So all parties involved rational in its actions.
I agree. Israel and the U.S. are rational when it comes to using brute force in stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
See? We can agree on some very basic premises.

That's where you're wrong to cling to a minority ideology.
Iran is a special kind of evil because is has sown chaos in the region for decades. At some point they needed to be stopped.
It's like Rome destroying the Carthaginians.
Like England and Prussia destroying Napoleon.
Like the Allies destroying Germany. TWICE!
You get the idea.
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I'm heading out for coffee with my wife (she rates, you do not), so it's easy enough to just tell you that your smarmy orientalism is gross, and should you ever be lucky enough to become ashamed of it, I wish you well in your recovery.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well, there are short term concerns and long term concerns. It's the long term ones that are going to have significant consequences. Israel isn't going to attack Iranian facilities and military targets forever, and since it is not invading Iran, all it's done is cause temporary chaos. The tough part for the Israelis now is having to deal with yet more violence and another conflict that has no clear resolution.
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Which, sadly, furthers Netanyahu's ambitions.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well, that assumes Iran would be able to achieve that, which it cannot and was not able to prior to October 7th either. Now if you share the current president's view of the US staying out of foreign entanglements, then the view you just shared doesn't make sense, since it would require many of the actions that have led to an unstable Middle East. The US just isn't good at policy in the region, and the facts bear that out. Iran was never going to achieve dominion in the Middle East on the path it was on with funding proxies.

These situations always raise the question of who should be dictating these things, since no one nation is appointed guardian of the world, it comes down to whomever has the resources and might to dictate to others. Does Israel have the "right" to attack Iran? Nope. Iran does not have nuclear weapons, and the reasoning is the typical poorly crafted rationale of "preemptive" strike, which coming from Netanyahu rings hollow since he's been claiming Iran will have nuclear weapons in 5 years for over 20 years.


Iran is not in a position to annihilate Israel nor has it ever been, that is just a ridiculous position to take. Israel is a nuclear power and is backed by most of the world's nuclear powers, so there's no end game for Iran even if it acquired nuclear weapons.


Again, Iran's efforts have not yielded anything close to what you're claiming, it's just fantasy. Actually, quite the opposite was happening since the shift in power has been moving more towards an Israeli/Saudi led sphere of influence. The governments of the region have been moving towards establishing relations with Israel because they see it as a regional power, and there would likely be more stability with that kind of coalition than with Iran. The problem those governments have is their populations are less keen on it because they sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians, which is why the Oct 7th attacks shifted the progress of the alignment I referenced.
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It is admirable how you keep digging looking for ways to apologize or rationalize what Iran has been doing for decades. All the time ignoring what they have been promising to do to Israel in the future.
Let's all sympathize with the Palestinians who have been on the wrong side of civilization for decades.
All the Palestinians have wanted to do is destroy Israel, one of the most advanced and successful countries in the entire Middle East.
The Palestinians could have done something useful with the billions given to them by the West and the Arab countries. Look where they are now. A loser ethnic group that no one wants to support or defend.
 
reinaert said:
I'm heading out for coffee with my wife (she rates, you do not), so it's easy enough to just tell you that your smarmy orientalism is gross, and should you ever be lucky enough to become ashamed of it, I wish you well in your recovery.
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I hope your attitude toward me does not ruin your outing with your wife. Please don't spend a lot of time criticizing me for my contrarian views when it comes to condemning radical theocratic nations who constantly chant for the destruction of a single nation.
My so-called 'orientalism' stems from my love of Western culture and my acknowledgement that culture has dominated most of the known world for centuries.
Now if I were an Asian in Chinese, I might think differently.
 
sanman said:
Let stick to analysis of events pertaining to the thread topic. Stop doing your Epstein act.





You want imperialism. You need for the USA to be an imperial power, just to cater to your precious Israel, and now also your precious Ukraine. Everyone else will be devalued.
This only means continued destruction of the United States, since imperialism is a self-corrupting exercise.
Life will continue to get worse and worse for the imperial subjects living under the Empire.



They have special power over their patron because they entered into a Faustian bargain with the Cold War Deep State.
That's why JFK died for your sins. That's why his purported assassin also got assassinated, by their contract man Rubinstein.
They almost repeated Dallas 1963 in Butler-PA a year ago, but by some miracle narrowly failed. (Maybe neither Heaven nor Hell want Trump showing up)

Hey @Phys251 - is that why you want nuclear war too? Because you want "End Times"?
What a joke the Left have become -- an horrific joke on the American people, and on the world.

Those like you have discarded the values of George Washington and only re-embraced George III.
You are only destroying what the American revolution was fought for.
Having fought to liberate themselves from an empire, they did not want to end up trapped in another one, even of their own making.
That's why the United States Constitution was written the way it was.
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I love your unhinged rant. Keep 'em coming. (y)
 
cAPSLOCK said:
Isn't this obvious? Israel could immediately raise the temperature in evey major Iranian city millions of degrees.
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They could do that if Iran nuked them too. So what you are saying is that Iran and its leaders aren’t suicidal. Good I agree.
 
jaypatriot said:
Let's all sympathize with the Palestinians who have been on the wrong side of civilization for decades.
All the Palestinians have wanted to do is destroy Israel, one of the most advanced and successful countries in the entire Middle East.
The Palestinians could have done something useful with the billions given to them by the West and the Arab countries. Look where they are now. A loser ethnic group that no one wants to support or defend.
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I can sympathize. Much of that was done to them by other Arab nations, who wanted them broken, impoverished, enraged, a constant thorn for their enemy Israel.

That doesn't mean their culture isn't broken in terrible ways that makes it almost impossible for them to put aside violence, but, they are a weapon formed not entirely of their own will :-/
 
Uncensored2008 said:
ROFL

Because all land that has ever been ruled by Muslims is forever the land of Muslims.





While the King David Hotel was indefensible, your claim is false.



Your absurd Antisemitic tropes are not a "question."
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Israel doesn’t get to mass murder civilians and steal their land without criticism, no matter how much that criticism horrifies you.

Israel carried out far more terrorist attacks than just the one on the hotel.

Was opposing apartheid “anti Semitic”? After all, the government of Israel was desperate to keep the apartheid regime in power.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Where you democrats fight with everything you have to maintain the brutal, Pro-Russian dictatorship that is currently in power.
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Actually, America helped Iraq gas Iranian civilians in a desperate attempt to defeat Iran...and still lost.
 
jaypatriot said:
You wrote: "I like cinnamon and cloves and pepper"
Sometimes I miss inside jokes from posters using obscure/cryptic references.
So all parties involved rational in its actions.
I agree. Israel and the U.S. are rational when it comes to using brute force in stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
See? We can agree on some very basic premises.

That's where you're wrong to cling to a minority ideology.
Iran is a special kind of evil because is has sown chaos in the region for decades. At some point they needed to be stopped.
It's like Rome destroying the Carthaginians.
Like England and Prussia destroying Napoleon.
Like the Allies destroying Germany. TWICE!
You get the idea.
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The Allies didn’t “destroy Germany”.

France wasn’t destroyed either in the aftermath of Napoleon.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Israel just proved that having a nuke is vital to discourage unprovoked attacks.
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Iran has been waging a terrorist war on Israel, the US, the UK and others and has been threatening Israel with destruction for decades now but sure we'll go with "unprovoked" to make it look like they're simply bullied for the way their leaders wear towels on their heads.
 
jaypatriot said:
It is admirable how you keep digging looking for ways to apologize or rationalize what Iran has been doing for decades. All the time ignoring what they have been promising to do to Israel in the future.
Let's all sympathize with the Palestinians who have been on the wrong side of civilization for decades.
All the Palestinians have wanted to do is destroy Israel, one of the most advanced and successful countries in the entire Middle East.
The Palestinians could have done something useful with the billions given to them by the West and the Arab countries. Look where they are now. A loser ethnic group that no one wants to support or defend.
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Except literally none of that is true.
 
North Korea announces their support to Iran. Sounds like Iran won't be running out of missiles terribly soon.




Not much can be done about that, except maybe launch another right-wing coup in S.Korea (since the most recent one failed, after the entire population revolted against it)
I'm sure the Cold War Deep State will be considering doing that, while examining all options
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Except literally none of that is true.
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If I thought you knew what the word "literally" means, I would explain to you in detail the plans of Iran for Israel.
There is no point in discussing this with you.
You are either Iranian, an anti-Semite, or a rabid Muslim dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Or all three.
 
Apocalypse said:
Iran has been waging a terrorist war on Israel, the US, the UK and others and has been threatening Israel with destruction for decades now but sure we'll go with "unprovoked" to make it look like they're simply bullied for the way their leaders wear towels on their heads.
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Just reacting to the mistreatment and indiscriminate killing Israel does all the time.
 
cpwill said:
I can sympathize. Much of that was done to them by other Arab nations, who wanted them broken, impoverished, enraged, a constant thorn for their enemy Israel.

That doesn't mean their culture isn't broken in terrible ways that makes it almost impossible for them to put aside violence, but, they are a weapon formed not entirely of their own will :-/
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I wonder if Saudi Arabia and the Emirates are going to step up their funding of whatever they think is the "Palestinian Cause". Iran will most likely not have the wherewithal going forward to keep Hamas, the Houthis, or Hezbollah alive and tormenting Israel.
 
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