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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

reinaert said:
Tehran is as likely to deploy nukes pre-emptively as France, England, the US, India, Pakistan or China. They have monstrous assholes in charge, not lunatics. And for forty years, they have been careful to walk a very narrow ledge, which demonstrates discipline. Iran absorbs provocations in the same manner as most other second tier regional powers, nuclear or otherwise.

The chief threats to global and regional stability (a somewhat value neutral metric) and peace (far less neutral, that) are 1. Russia, 2. Russia, 3. Russia, 4. Donald Noron Trump, 5. Russia and 6. Trumpian and Russian backed race-nationalist challenges to democracies.
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I agree. Iran has always acted rationally.

However, their government was overthrown only ~50 years ago.

So, I wouldn't count on long term stability in the country & long term stability is vital to safe guarding nukes.
 
Here's another possible outcome:

Iran declares 'allegiance' to Russia & instead of ground sending troops to Israel, they send troops to Ukrainian & in exchange Russia provides them with weapons & air & missile support. If Iran can give Russia a boost in Ukraine to tip those scales, in the long run Russia could potentially provide more support.

Thinking in realpolitik here
 
ASHES said:
Mhmm, and if the Rashidun Caliphate had had gunpowder before Europe?
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1 major impact on European power grew from letters of credit/banking with interest rates which under Sharia Law was prohibited
2nd is Christianity underwent a Reformation with centuries of war in Europe which Islam has not
3rd is the Sunni / Shia division on power
Descendants of Mohammed or a consensus on communal choice
 
ScrambledEggs said:
I agree. Iran has always acted rationally.

However, their government was overthrown only ~50 years ago.

So, I wouldn't count on long term stability in the country & long term stability is vital to safe guarding nukes.
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I appreciate, on a personal note, that you identify Tehran's leadership as rational actors. They are pig-****ers, to be sure, but they are not irrational actors.

As to point two, Trump really ****ed all of us, ripping up an agreement that slowly weakened the Ayatollahs in direct relation to how it integrated Iran into Europe's economy.

For that alone, he belongs in the Treachery circle of any imaginable hell.
 
reinaert said:
Tehran is as likely to deploy nukes pre-emptively as France, England, the US, India, Pakistan or China. They have monstrous assholes in charge, not lunatics. And for forty years, they have been careful to walk a very narrow ledge, which demonstrates discipline. Iran absorbs provocations in the same manner as most other second tier regional powers, nuclear or otherwise.

The chief threats to global and regional stability (a somewhat value neutral metric) and peace (far less neutral, that) are 1. Russia, 2. Russia, 3. Russia, 4. Donald Moron Trump, 5. Russia and 6. Trumpian and Russian backed race-nationalist challenges to democracies.
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Does not change my point. On that I am correct
 
JANFU said:
Does not change my point. On that I am correct
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Which point, JANFU? That Tehran would use nukes because of adjustments to regional balance of power? If so, there is no evidence of that in any Iranian policies or choices, since 1979.
 
ScrambledEggs said:
Just spit balling here but the area of Ukraine they control gives them direct access down through Georgia. Perhaps they could provide air & logistics support for Iranian troops making their way across NW Iran -> N Iraq -> Syria -> northern Israel.

I have no idea what I'm talking about here, just looking at gewgle maps
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Some will be sent. No argument there
Russian armor should run out by end year or 1st qrtr 26
 
This is why Israel launched surgical strikes into Iran.

The Shia Muslim leaders of Iran are known as Twelvers. They believe it is their duty to prepare the world for the return of the Twelth Imam known as
al Mahdi. This leader will appear at the end of times according to their beliefs.

The Supreme leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said on many occasions that to prepare for the return of al Mahdi Iran must wash the world in blood. According to him the small Satan Israel, and the Great Satan the USA must be destroyed.

The world has known that Iran was developing nuclear weapons for decades. Iran is not like Russia or China. Mutually assured destruction was deterrent enough for them. The leaders of Iran do not fear death. In fact they beleive martyrdom is their honorable destiny. They must fulfill their roll in bringing on the end of days.

So President Trump gave them 60 days to give up the enrichment of uranium and end their nuclear program. They refused. On day 61st day Israel attacked. They can not allow Iran to have the bomb. Because they will most definitely use it. Probably through their proxies.

Israel had no choice. Take out or diminish Iran's nuclear program or face likely annihilation.
 
SgtRock said:
This is why Israel launched surgical strikes into Iran.

The Shia Muslim leaders of Iran are known as Twelvers. They believe it is their duty to prepare the world for the return of the Twelth Imam known as
al Mahdi. This leader will appear at the end of times according to their beliefs.

The Supreme leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said on many occasions that to prepare for the return of
al Mahdi Iran must wash the world in blood. According to him the small Satan Israel, and the Great Satan the USA must be destroyed.

The world has known that Iran was developing nuclear weapons for decades. Iran is not like Russia or China. Mutually assured destruction was deterrent enough for them. The leaders of Iran do not fear death. In fact they beleive martyrdom is their honorable destiny. They must fulfill their roll in bringing on the end of days.

So President Trump gave them 60 days to give up the enrichment of uranium and end their nuclear program. They refused. On day 61 day Israel attacked. They can not allow Iran to have the bomb. Because they will most definitely use it. Probably through their proxies.

Israel had no choice. Take out or diminish Iran's nuclear program or face likely annihilation.
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When people post dreck like this one can reasonably assume a know-nothing pastor gave them a reading list or they have a subscription to a vulgar orientalist YouTube channel.
 
reinaert said:
No, the Ukrainian people did that on their lonesome.
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I have already posted videos of Victoria Nuland

1- admitting that the USAID (CIA) gave Ukraine $5 BBBillion
2- distributing food and candies at Kiev 's Independence Square during the Maidan Color revolution
3- Victoria Nuland's telephone was tapped and she can be overheard discussing with Geoffrey Pyatt the deposition of Viktor Yanukovych

So your statement lacks candor
 
reinaert said:
Which point, JANFU? That Tehran would use nukes because of adjustments to regional balance of power? If so, there is no evidence of that in any Iranian policies or choices, since 1979.
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So based upon the last 46 years. Islam was founded over 1900 years ago.
And your point is based upon 46 years of Governance
 
JANFU said:
Some will be sent. No argument there
Russian armor should run out by end year or 1st qrtr 26
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Yea, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling that the Ukraine/Russia war and Iran/Israel wars are going to become intertwined - essentially two proxy wars for a larger US vs Russia war. I see no reason why Iran & Russia wouldn't work together on both these fronts at this point.
 
reinaert said:
When people post dreck like this one can reasonably assume a know-nothing pastor gave them a reading list or they have a subscription to a vulgar orientalist YouTube channel.
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Conservatives are addicted to thinking foreign brown people want to annihilate them (granted, a lot of Iranians are whiter than they probably think)
 
Contumacious said:
I have already posted videos of Victoria Nuland

1- admitting that the USAID (CIA) gave Ukraine $5 BBBillion
2- distributing food and candies at Kiev 's Independence Square during the Maidan Color revolution
3- Victoria Nuland's telephone was tapped and she can be overheard discussing with Geoffrey Pyatt the deposition of Viktor Yanukovych

So your statement lacks candor
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When your c-theory requires magic portals into encrypted communications, edited videos, and slurry-voiced misreadings of actual text, you might be a Russian. Conversely, you might also refer to Washington, DC as ZOG or have a dog-eared binder on yellow-fringed flags in Admiralty Courts...
 
JANFU said:
So based upon the last 46 years. Islam was founded over 1900 years ago.
And your point is based upon 46 years of Governance
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One thing I don't countenance, especially when I respect someone, is orientalism.
 
reinaert said:
When people post dreck like this one can reasonably assume a know-nothing pastor gave them a reading list or they have a subscription to a vulgar orientalist YouTube channel.
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I have studied this for over 23 years. Please explain how anything I wrote is untrue or not based in fact.
 
SgtRock said:
I have studied this for over 23 years. Please explain how anything I wrote is untrue or not based in fact.
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We're limited to 5000 characters... "studied" Ha! Such a comedian. It took 23 years to figure out just what "this" means...
 
SgtRock said:
I have studied this for over 23 years. Please explain how anything I wrote is untrue or not based in fact.
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Sure. You studied. Cool.

What I'd like to know, and it'd be neat if you did it without Google or ChatGPT, is what you think of the integration and rejection of Shariati in the formation of the Islamic Republic.
 
Iran's Quds Force leader has been relocated to Israel

It turns out that he was a spy working for the Israelis

 
Buster Keaton said:
America is allies with Israel.
The Democrats are allies with Iran.
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As Conservative/Republicans we are supposed to DEFEND the right to use deadly force to defend our property

SO tell me the reason we are supposed to be allies with Israel, an entity which is a continuos criminal enterprise in Palestine ?
 
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