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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

jaypatriot said:
You've heard of the theory of MAD?
Mutually Assured Destruction?
Iran does not want to self-destruct.
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So, since Iran doesn’t want to self destruct….why, exactly, are you arguing they do?
 
multivita-man said:
It really depends. The assumption is that Iran is going to lash out in big ways, which they certainly could, but they're also on their heels. If the goal is to inflict heavy damage to Iran's military and regional chaos-causing capacity, and nothing beyond that, Iran might show at least some restraint. If the objective is to destabilize the country, or if Iran believes that is the objective, I think all holy hell could break loose.
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Open civil unrest can happen in an instant. They are sitting on a powedercake
 
cpwill said:
🤷‍♂️ hundreds of dead and wounded Americans from Iranian targeting during the Iraq insurgency might beg to differ, as might the Americans that Iran has had her proxies shooting at since.



Cool. And by that same logic, so must Israel and the US. Looks like Israel is doing a pretty good job of it.
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Gee dude, sounds like the U.S. could have entirely avoided every single one of those by not invading Iraq.

I don’t know about you, but “they killed our soldiers because we went out of our way to attack and occupy the county right next door to them” hardly screams “threat”.
 
ASHES said:
No, you just like to put words in people's mouths and pretend they say and think things they don't. That's why people don't engage.
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Nobody forces you to repeatedly make claims that lack validity.

So, to repeat: you are acknowledging Israel is not “defending itself”, right?
 
jaypatriot said:
I have no sympathy at all for the Iranian theocracy.
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Ok, but that doesn't justify an attack against them since their people have a right to self determination. Now one can certainly question their regional policies and actions, but their right to be a theocracy is on them.

jaypatriot said:
The people, however, are simply pitiful pawns who have lived their entire lives under the rule of clerics desperate to retain control over them.
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This is why authoritarianism sucks.

jaypatriot said:
I would like to see the IRGC, the army, and the clerics swept away by the Israelis.
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I don't because no one has a plan for what comes after, and in the chaos and death can arise something worse than what was there before it.
 
ScrambledEggs said:
For anyone worried, here's the good news: Trump has pissed off all of our allies & has waged a yuge trade war on China & weakened eastern Europe. We can fight this!
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JANFU said:
And that is the good news
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The killer is we had this all reasonably sorted out by Obama in 2015, with the JCPOA. IAEA had full access, and weaponized uranium - according to the IAEA - had essentially stopped (power production uranium was allowed).

Then in 2018 Trump, the Master Negotiator, hyperbolically withdrew from the JCPOA. Iran subsequently resumed enriching weapon-grade uranium.

We anti-Trumpers get kicked around a lot by MAGA whenever we cite Trump's failures & transgressions. But I think it's fair in this instance to say Trump has some culpability in getting us to the mess we're currently in.
 
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cpwill said:
🤷‍♂️ hundreds of dead and wounded Americans from Iranian targeting during the Iraq insurgency might beg to differ, as might the Americans that Iran has had her proxies shooting at since.



Cool. And by that same logic, so must Israel and the US. Looks like Israel is doing a pretty good job of it.
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If I recall correctly , the US UNCONSTITUTIONALLY and UNNECESSARILY invaded Iraq.

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Harry S Truman stole Palestine from 1.5 million Palestinians in 1948

US Taxpayers haave been forced to donate $3 billion per annum ever since.

in 2008 that amount was increased to $4.5 BBBBillion by Obama

So yes US Taxpayers have been subsidizing the ASS-K-NAZI Zionists Defense.
 
Deuce said:
...oh it was since 1991? My mistake.

It's news to me that Obama was president in 1991.
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But Obama was the President who instigated the Maidan Color Revolution and the February 2014 deposition of Ukraines's duly elected president.
 
jaypatriot said:
Palestine in not a nation recognized by the United Nations.
They have no official voice in world affairs as an "Observer State".

Don't count your imaginary chickens before they hatch.

Palestine’s current status​

Right now, Palestine is a “Permanent Observer State” at the UN, enjoying the status that allows it to participate in all of the Organization’s proceedings, except for voting on draft resolutions and decisions in its main organs and bodies, from the Security Council to the General Assembly and its six main committees.

However, some other participation is off-limits to Permanent Observers. This was made clear by a General Assembly resolution, which temporarily, for the year 2019 during which Palestine served as chair of the Group of 77 developing countries and China (G77), accorded to Palestine additional rights: to submit proposals and amendments and introduce them, to exercise a right of reply and to raise procedural motions, including points of order and requests to put proposals to the vote. These rights temporarily accorded to Palestine then expired as of 2020.

news.un.org

Palestine’s status at the UN explained

What will it take for Palestine to become a full UN Member State? As the Security Council takes up the matter while the devastating war in Gaza enters its seventh month, we looked at Palestine’s current status and what it takes to become a UN Member State.
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The fact that the Rothschilds and the Harry S Truman Administration truncated Palestine's destiny is no reason to celebrate
 
Questerr said:
Why does it matter? If you are trying to say Iran won’t use WMDs on fellow Muslims, then they’ll never use them on Israel because Muslims live there. So why are we concerned about Iran having nukes?

Pakistan is Muslim and has nukes. Have they tried to conquer the world?
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Pretty simple. Change in the ME balance of power. And the high probability that an Iranian Ayotollah would use them. With nukes all of Europe is well in range .
As to Pakistlan that is a red herring
 
Contumacious said:
But Obama was the President who instigated the Maidan Color Revolution and the February 2014 deposition of Ukraines's duly elected president.
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First off, again, Ukraine's president was duly-impeached by the Ukrainian parliament in 2014. Obama did not invade Ukraine and oust their president.

Second, you said Obama gave Ukraine 5 billion dollars. But that $5 billion figure was money given to Ukraine starting in, according to you, 1991.

Third, Congress appropriates funds for foreign aid. Weird that you didn't know this.
 
Chomsky said:
The killer is we had this all reasonably sorted out by Obama in 2015, with the JCPOA. IAEA had full access, and weaponized uranium - according to the IAEA - had essentially stopped (power production uranium was allowed).

Then in 2018 Trump, the Master Negotiator, hyperbolically withdrew from the JCPOA. Iran subsequently resumed enriching weapon-grade uranium.

We anti-Trumpers get kicked around a lot by MAGA whenever we cite Trump's failures & transgressions. But I think it's fair in this instance to say Trump has some culpability in getting us to the mess we're currently in.
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Sure like when we had it all sorted out with North Korea and then all of a sudden hey have nuclear weapons.
 
Deuce said:
First off, again, Ukraine's president was duly-impeached by the Ukrainian parliament in 2014. Obama did not invade Ukraine and oust their president.

Second, you said Obama gave Ukraine 5 billion dollars. But that $5 billion figure was money given to Ukraine starting in, according to you, 1991.

Third, Congress appropriates funds for foreign aid. Weird that you didn't know this.
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No he was not impeached by the Ukrainian Parliament. There was a constitutional process that did not happen. They just held a simple vote of who was there at the time, to vote him out of office. That is not an impeachment. It was an illegal act.
 
reinaert said:
The prime targets are all in Bibi's cabinet.
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I think people forget that Iran does have some missiles with very good targeting computers. Iranian engineers are actually quite skilled, but often underestimated. The difficulty is not their understanding of the technology, but getting their hands on adequate components.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Rightfully so since both countries are beholden to religious nutters.
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Exactly the complaints they lodge. I admit that they tend to be the same ones that think Palestinians deserve self-determination, not extermination. They are peaceniks.
 
jaypatriot said:
I have no sympathy at all for the Iranian theocracy.
The people, however, are simply pitiful pawns who have lived their entire lives under the rule of clerics desperate to retain control over them.
I would like to see the IRGC, the army, and the clerics swept away by the Israelis.
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And vice versa.
 
JANFU said:
Pretty simple. Change in the ME balance of power. And the high probability that an Iranian Ayotollah would use them. With nukes all of Europe is well in range .
As to Pakistlan that is a red herring
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Tehran is as likely to deploy nukes pre-emptively as France, England, the US, India, Pakistan or China. They have monstrous assholes in charge, not lunatics. And for forty years, they have been careful to walk a very narrow ledge, which demonstrates discipline. Iran absorbs provocations in the same manner as most other second tier regional powers, nuclear or otherwise.

The chief threats to global and regional stability (a somewhat value neutral metric) and peace (far less neutral, that) are 1. Russia, 2. Russia, 3. Russia, 4. Donald Moron Trump, 5. Russia and 6. Trumpian and Russian backed race-nationalist challenges to democracies.
 
JANFU said:
Very little as they have little militarily to spare
Publicly they will support Iran
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Just spit balling here but the area of Ukraine they control gives them direct access down through Georgia. Perhaps they could provide air & logistics support for Iranian troops making their way across NW Iran -> N Iraq -> Syria -> northern Israel.

I have no idea what I'm talking about here, just looking at gewgle maps
 
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