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"Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Likud Charter, 1977. Think about that for a moment.
There should only be Israeli control of all Palestinian territory. Palestine is not a nation. It is a group of people ethnically related. They reside on land controlled by Israel.
He turned his back on Europe. Wouldn't surprise me if he turns his back on Israel too. Putin called and wished him a haply birthday today!View attachment 67574754
I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.If you want people to not seek to have nuclear weapons you have to respect them when they don't have them.
It's a rough idea because we as a species have no inborn ability to respect people when there is a power asymmetry, it's something you have to work at.
How convenient that the countries that already have them gets to decide who else can have them. That sounds like bullshit to me.The countries that would be threatened by them if they were acquired and have the means to prevent the acquisition.
Yup, let's not forget that, Obama put them on a path to nukes.
Thanks, Obama! Iran openly mocked him and declared that they would not stop their program. Trump slowed them down, but when Biden got in, it was full speed ahead again.
Thank God for Trump... with Kamala, they'd be putting the final touches on their brand new nuclear bombs. Israel, New York, and Washington D.C. bound.
I’m not sure I buy the idea that we’re hardwired to disrespect weakness. Empathy and cooperation are as natural in life as power asymmetries.
History is full of examples where powerful actors chose diplomacy over domination - not out of weakness, but because mutual respect was a better long-term strategy.
There will be no peace in the ME with Bibi in charge.There's a lot of new posts since I was here last, so I probably won't be able to read them. I just want to say that the escalations in the last 24 hours and the deaths of civilians make me very concerned about where this is heading for everyone.
You can't expect everyone to support our most loyal ally in the Middle East as it fights to survive in a dangerous neighborhood.
Israel is being threatened by an enemy, Iran, that wants to annihilate it. Iran does not want to give up its uranium enrichment program. So Israel took action to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon. Makes eminent sense to me.
Democrats lolIn reality - Iran is in an alliance with Russia, China, North Korea, and the American democrats.
Sort of "The bloc of pure evil."
Thats just Isreali propaganda. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they would have one by now.That's because Israel keeps killing their nuclear scientists and sabotaging their program in other ways, but Iran's going deeper underground. I do agree with you that there were other ways to handle this, though.
I agree and I was against Trump ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran in 2018. He didnt do it to own the libs. He did it because Israel has too much influence on our government.If Republicans had not been so hellbent on owning the libs, they could have supported Obama's framework, which, by all known measures, slowed down their enrichment program to a virtual standstill. Not saying they solved the problem long-term, but they did achieve meaningful progress in slowing it down and creating a framework for future dialogue. In fact, it was successful enough that - guess what - MAGA Jesus basically tried to restart that framework but wiping Obama's name off and putting his name on it.
I liked Trump's foreign policy except with Isreal and Iran's. It's very disappointing we are now involved in yet another war.I'd concede that there's context that needs to be added. Trump saw a nuke deal with Iran (framework 2.0, let's call it) as part of a much larger national security tilt away from the Middle East and Russia and toward China, which he views as a serious adversary. Obama had China and Russia in mind, too, but he saw a much deeper commitment to the Middle East militarily than Trump has and does. Obama saw Russia as a pain in the ass but not a threat in the present, and I think he was wrong about that. He saw China as a potential threat long-term, but in the shorter term, more of a pain in the ass in terms of our influence in Asia - he was partly wrong about that, too, though 2015 was a different world than 2025 or even 2020. But he got some of the specifics right, and the 2015 deal was a good move, IMO.
Yo man, stop imagining my emotions thxYou're outrage by the idea of the Biden war in Ukraine ending, apparently.
Thats just Isreali propaganda. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they would have one by now.
I agree and I was against Trump ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran in 2018. He didnt do it to own the libs. He did it because Israel has too much influence on our government.
I liked Trump's foreign policy except with Isreal and Iran's. It's very disappointing we are now involved in yet another war.
Obama put an agreement in place, and the IAEA Inspectors found Iran was compliant. Trump got involved, and withdrew the agreement. Iran subsequently got to where it is today.
And now, Trump is ready to send in our military.
Here:
(France24) Trump says US 'could get involved' in Iran-Israel conflict
You are aware the IAEA just found Iran to be out of compliance with the JCPOA.Obama put an agreement in place, and the IAEA Inspectors found Iran was compliant. Trump got involved, and withdrew the agreement. Iran subsequently got to where it is today.
And now, Trump is ready to send in our military.
Here:
(France24) Trump says US 'could get involved' in Iran-Israel conflict
That's cool and all, but a military conflict isn't really going to improve things without a plan for what comes after. I think evidence of that can be found in the last similar venture Israel carried out decades ago in Lebanon, and what resulted was a militia that was able to mount an offense and then serve as a proxy for Iran. The US has had a miserable record in Middle East policy, and now Israel seems to want to follow in those footsteps while trying to get the US involved. I in no way support risking American lives for the ambitions of Israel in this unprovoked war.Wow. I thought it was just an air campaign, but apparently they've had boots on ground for months, and pulled off Ukraine style drone attacks from inside Iran.
Agreed - impunity is the issue.We would need everyone to do it or some sort of enforcement, not just "examples". No one cares that there are dozens of countries that are not repressing them if one can do so with impunity.
I was all for Biden continuing to send heavy offensive weapons to Ukraine to use against Russia.I don't agree.
"Palestine" under the Ottoman Empire con
You're outrage by the idea of the Biden war in Ukraine ending, apparently.
He's involved already, whether he wants to be or not.
President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."
--In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.
He's involved already, whether he wants to be or not.
You are aware the IAEA just found Iran to be out of compliance with the JCPOA.
My opinion is Trump will employ our offensive military assets if Iran does anything to harm our military currently in Syria, Iraq, the UAE, or anywhere else in the Middle East.
That means Iran must tread very carefully when it retaliates against Israel.
President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."
--In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.
Then I guess that country has a chance to bring Bibi to justice and stop him from saving the country by destroying Iran's infrastructure leading to the development of a nuclear weapon.Bibi is the problem. Like Trump he's dodging prison by Presidency. His overweening desire for greater Israel has killed thousands, Israeli's as well as Palestinians.
In fairness, Iran's nuclear program was always questionable due to their lack of full transparency and the fact of who was in charge of the country. When the program started back in the 50s, the US backed it because their government was aligned with western interests and not seen as a threat. The Islamic revolution changed all of that, and now we're in a situation where one can understand their motivations for wanting a nuclear weapon as a deterrent while also understanding the threat it poses to the region.The IAEA found Iran compliant under Obama's tenure.
Aw, they hurt your ayatollahs and now you're mad.Good
This will be similar to the 1973 Oil Embargo.
AMericans will then have to wait over 8 hours in gas lines and pay over $20 a gallon.
Hopefully then STUPID Americans will have time to think whether the crazy love affair with the ASS-K-NAZI Entity is worthy .
Now Bibi found the opportunity to attack while the iron is hot. And Trump wisely stayed out of if offensively.Because Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal. He put nothing in its place. Iran responded by resuming enriching. Why wouldn't they? Trump let them off the hook!
Now, here's Trump's solution seven years later:
--Trump says 'it's possible' US gets involved in Israel-Iran conflict
President Donald Trump said Sunday that the U.S. is not involved in Israel's military strikes, but "it's possible we could get involved."abcnews.go.com
President Donald Trump said Sunday that the US is not involved in Israel's military strikes but "it's possible we could get involved."--In an interview with ABC News' Rachel Scott, Trump said he's open to Russian President Vladimir Putin serving as a mediator in the conflict -- something he said the Russian president pitched in their phone call on Saturday.
Trump's seems to be proposing his solution for world peace and keeping his campaign promise to keep us out of...
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doesnt matter. Both are deeply staunched in their make believe world.Which country is closer to a secular state? Which one has more rights for the minority religion?
Yeah. Thank goodness it was us and not just Russia and China or something.How convenient that the countries that already have them gets to decide who else can have them. That sounds like bullshit to me.
No, China kept the US from overthrowing their country.How'd that work out for Gaddafi when he got rid of the nukes? North Korea figured out that the nukes keep the US from overthrowing their country.
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