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Biggest failure in US history?

Politics does not operate on a completely altruistic accord. Much of the reason why we are fine with the UN, NATO, IMF, World Bank, and so forth, is because it is another tool in our foreign policy chest, and extends our economic interests throughout the world.

"Foreign Policy" should be a foreign concept. Other than the barrel of a gun, we have no need for other ways of dealing with the rest of the world; and even then only when they've stuck their nose into our business, not the other way around.
 
"Foreign Policy" should be a foreign concept. Other than the barrel of a gun, we have no need for other ways of dealing with the rest of the world; and even then only when they've stuck their nose into our business, not the other way around.

How does one become this delusional?
 
How you can cite the inhumane treatment of Native Americans, allowing the jim crow era - and then cite Feminism and Affirmative Action as an equal 'evil' is beyond stupidity.

I believe all people should be treated equally, regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender. Killing off Native Americans and stealing their land does not qualify as equal treatment. Nor does attempting to subvert black voting rights and access to services. While feminism and affirmative action may have been nobly intentioned, they too are ultimately designed to treat people unequally. They require that women and certain ethnic minorities (not the ethnic minorities that do well in spite of alleged institutional bigotry) receive extra benefits compared to their white and successful minority brethren.

In the case of feminism, there exists the extra problem of how it destroyed, perhaps inadvertently, the preservation of the family. To be clear, I am not saying that all women should be at home barefoot, cooking for their husbands, and raising their children. I'm glad women can choose to enter the paying work force. But there was a time when one wage earner was enough to adequately support a family. Now most families require two wage earners. The shift occurred along with feminism. It happened because suddenly there was double the work force. This meant companies could pay their employees less money due to the increased competition for jobs. Less money per job meant more people needed to work in order to meet their financial obligations. With both parents working, kids were home alone to make mischief. Crime went up. School performance went down. I don't blame women for this, but to say that there were no deleterious impacts of feminism would be conveniently revisionist. Ideally, only one wage earner per family should be required and it can be the man or the woman.
 
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"Foreign Policy" should be a foreign concept. Other than the barrel of a gun, we have no need for other ways of dealing with the rest of the world; and even then only when they've stuck their nose into our business, not the other way around.

Yes, because we need nothing from the outside world, like their markets in which to sell our products which at times has required trade agreements negotiated by our government. That seems pretty useful.

President Obama Signs Historic Legislation Signaling Progress on Trade and Jobs | The White House

This morning, President Obama signed legislation implementing three job-supporting trade agreements with Korea, Colombia, and Panama. These trade agreements will help put Americans back to work and grow America’s economy.
 
I believe all people should be treated equally, regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender. Killing off Native Americans and stealing their land does not qualify as equal treatment. Nor does attempting to subvert black voting rights and access to services. While feminism and affirmative action may have been nobly intentioned, they too are ultimately designed to treat people unequally. They require that women and certain ethnic minorities (not the ethnic minorities that do well in spite of alleged institutional bigotry) receive extra benefits compared to their white and successful minority brethren.

In the case of feminism, there exists the extra problem of how it destroyed, perhaps inadvertently, the preservation of the family. To be clear, I am not saying that all women should be at home barefoot, cooking for their husbands, and raising their children. I'm glad women can choose to enter the paying work force. But there was a time when one wage earner was enough to adequately support a family. Now most families require two wage earners. The shift occurred along with feminism. It happened because suddenly there was double the work force. This meant companies could pay their employees less money due to the increased competition for jobs. Less money per job meant more people needed to work in order to meet their financial obligations. With both parents working, kids were home alone to make mischief. Crime went up. School performance went down. I don't blame women for this, but to say that there were no deleterious impacts of feminism would be conveniently revisionist. Ideally, only one wage earner per family should be required and it can be the man or the woman.

Feminism isn't about treating women better than men.

Feminism is about equal pay for equal work, equal rights like voting and the right to own land, attend college, file a patent for an invention.

It's not about 'getting even' and treating women better than men.

If you don't get what feminism is about - or affirmative action is about - maybe you should spend time and research ALL these things you're citing . . . you dont' seem completely incapable of understanding what things are and what things aren't - you just seem very poorly informed on some things.
 
^^^^^ another 2 arguements for why DP needs a kiddie pool ^^^^^^
 
"Foreign Policy" should be a foreign concept. Other than the barrel of a gun, we have no need for other ways of dealing with the rest of the world; and even then only when they've stuck their nose into our business, not the other way around.

This is simply factually false.
 
Because Bush and the current GOP are clearly the biggest failures in US History....

The Bay of Pigs, Trail of Tears, Slavery and other failures clearly do not top Bush or the current GOP members :roll:
 
This is simply factually false.

No kidding.

It's not as if diplomacy and international trade relations were not a staple of American foreign policy since its beginnings.:lol:
 
vietnam,maybe..

Actually, we made a deal with the French, who were already inside VietNam: We would replace French "advisers" with American "advisers" if France would join NATO. The biggest mistake with VietNam is that once there and entrenched for years, we were not allowed to actually win the war, which destroyed most of our VietNamese allies. Overall, VietNam was one of the biggest failures in our history.

I'm not going to say slavery, because we are talking about centuries back, when the culture of slavery along with indentured servitude was common throughout most of the world. The Civil War was not really a failure, because it focused on the brutality of slavery and the actual "process" of owning another human being. I'm disappointed that a century later, entrenched institutionalized racism had still not been recognized as wrong in too many parts of the country. Fifty years later, I'm pleased with the progress that has been made.

Most recent failures are first, a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq based upon deceit and worthless intelligence, along with a decades-long occupation that allowed rival tribes and outside forces to create what will no doubt soon be their own civil war.

Second, a botched invasion into Afghanistan, which should have ended in a matter of months at Tora Bora, but didn't because the administration withheld the troops necessary to have surrounded and defeated the Taliban/Al Qaeda in order to have enough resources to later invade Iraq. Then, instead of admitting we screwed up, we proceeded to occupy the country for a decade, allowing the Taliban to rebuild and retake the country the minute we are gone.

We've had a lot of failures over the two centuries of our existance. The only ones that shame me is how long it took for Civil Rights and Equality to be implemented after the Civil War, the treatment of American Indians during the Indian Wars... and the invasion of Iraq.
 
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Because Bush and the current GOP are clearly the biggest failures in US History....

The Bay of Pigs, Trail of Tears, Slavery and other failures clearly do not top Bush or the current GOP members :roll:

The Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japense Internment Camps, the War in Iraq combined with the GOP running to criminalize Islam and protesting every mosque being built. We still haven't learned that we go to war with nations, not ethnic and religious groups.
 
The Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japense Internment Camps, the War in Iraq combined with the GOP running to criminalize Islam and protesting every mosque being built. We still haven't learned that we go to war with nations, not ethnic and religious groups.

Is it the official GOP platform to ban and protest Mosques that should be built? So when 9/11 happened should we have declared war on Saudi Arabia because many of the hijackers were Saudis?

Please don't be so warped in your partisanship that you literally view the current GOP as on par with the evils of slavery, the Trail of Tears, and other American atrocities.
 
Eugenic Sterilizations.
 
Actually, we made a deal with the French, who were already inside VietNam: We would replace French "advisers" with American "advisers" if France would join NATO. The biggest mistake with VietNam is that once there and entrenched for years, we were not allowed to actually win the war, which destroyed most of our VietNamese allies. Overall, VietNam was one of the biggest failures in our history.

I'm not going to say slavery, because we are talking about centuries back, when the culture of slavery along with indentured servitude was common throughout most of the world. The Civil War was not really a failure, because it focused on the brutality of slavery and the actual "process" of owning another human being. I'm disappointed that a century later, entrenched institutionalized racism had still not been recognized as wrong in too many parts of the country. Fifty years later, I'm pleased with the progress that has been made.

Most recent failures are first, a pre-emptive invasion of Iraq based upon deceit and worthless intelligence, along with a decades-long occupation that allowed rival tribes and outside forces to create what will no doubt soon be their own civil war.

Second, a botched invasion into Afghanistan, which should have ended in a matter of months at Tora Bora, but didn't because the administration withheld the troops necessary to have surrounded and defeated the Taliban/Al Qaeda in order to have enough resources to later invade Iraq. Then, instead of admitting we screwed up, we proceeded to occupy the country for a decade, allowing the Taliban to rebuild and retake the country the minute we are gone.

We've had a lot of failures over the two centuries of our existance. The only ones that shame me is how long it took for Civil Rights and Equality to be implemented after the Civil War, the treatment of American Indians during the Indian Wars... and the invasion of Iraq.

Ho Chi Minh worshipped the USA and expected that we would help him create a nation. when China fell, Truman's inner circle became paranoid and decided to help the decadent french colonialist re-establish their colonial dreams in Viet Nam. That might have been the single biggest strategic mistake of the last 70 years or so. The FDR jurisprudence however along with Wilson and the 16-17th amendments have had the most lasting malignant impact on this nation
 
The Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japense Internment Camps, the War in Iraq combined with the GOP running to criminalize Islam and protesting every mosque being built. We still haven't learned that we go to war with nations, not ethnic and religious groups.


what was the long term impact on America in general from the trail of tears or the Internment. I see those as a rape of a group's rights but not something that created decades of harm for all of America. and blaming the GOP for the reaction to Islamist based terrorism is rather specious
 
what was the long term impact on America in general from the trail of tears or the Internment. I see those as a rape of a group's rights but not something that created decades of harm for all of America. and blaming the GOP for the reaction to Islamist based terrorism is rather specious

On America? We immediately benefited by 'getting them out' - that was the point of their forced removal.

They suffered - and were diminished significantly, that was the point.

In the end: it left us filled with a wrongful sense of superiority, furthered our inability to accept those who are different than us, and by erasing their evidence from our country's growth we've lied to our youth and convinced them that we 'did it alone, our ingenuity and get-r-done attitude' - which has, at present, put us in our situation of being a Nanny-nation: filled with a faux sense of self-reliance - and a faux sense of capability and might.

And consider what other countries think of us: they've learned of our history and they don't like it - and that matters a lot in this day and age of transnationalism.
 
Is it the official GOP platform to ban and protest Mosques that should be built? So when 9/11 happened should we have declared war on Saudi Arabia because many of the hijackers were Saudis?

Please don't be so warped in your partisanship that you literally view the current GOP as on par with the evils of slavery, the Trail of Tears, and other American atrocities.

It's not the entire GOP though the GOP panders to such people and attitudes. The only thing it's really on par with is the Japanese Internment Camps, because that was judging an entire race and ethnic group and lumping them all together. The country was untrusting and scared of all Japanese people, because we were at war with them.
 
Because Bush and the current GOP are clearly the biggest failures in US History....

The Bay of Pigs, Trail of Tears, Slavery and other failures clearly do not top Bush or the current GOP members :roll:
you think the bay of pigs screw up was more significant than the dicknbush screw up
not even close
all the bay of pigs did was fail to overthrow castro and give our nation a temporary black eye for incompetence
that pales in significance to the multitude of wrongful actions committed by the shrub's regime
 
Our biggest failure was: Denying Carter a second term. We all lost something....
 
a myth, perpetrated to salve our wounded national pride at having lost the war

Your wrong...nam couldve been won in days...it wasnt because we werent allowed to....nixon ended it in days...he did what we should have done years earlier...bombed hanoi into submission, send in ground troops to clean up....done won. Instead we played political games as americans died
 
Your wrong...nam couldve been won in days...it wasnt because we werent allowed to....nixon ended it in days...he did what we should have done years earlier...bombed hanoi into submission, send in ground troops to clean up....done won. Instead we played political games as americans died
and yet we still LOST
 
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