Biden reverses cruel family separation policy and works to reunite traumatized children with their loved ones.

[Khayembii Communique]

And Barrack Obama also took it seriously to a large degree...which is why he instituted such things as separating children from adults...for there protection of course...and mass deportations of people caught illegally crossing into our country. (there's a reason he was referred to as the deporter in chief) Obama deported more illegal aliens then Trump did.

Why is it that republicans are incapable of facing reality? From the HHS IG:

"However, some children are referred to ORR after being separated by DHS from a parent or legal guardian with whom the child arrived. Historically, these separations were rare and occurred because of circumstances such as the parent’s medical emergency or a determination that the parent was a threat to the child’s safety."

"In the summer of 2017, prior to the formal announcement of the zero-tolerance policy, ORR staff and officials observed a steep increase in the number of children who had been separated from a parent or guardian by DHS (“separated children”) and subsequently referred to ORR for care."

"Pursuant to a June 2018 Federal District Court order, HHS has thus far identified 2,737 children in its care at that time who were separated from their parents. However, thousands of children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017, before the accounting required by the Court, and HHS has faced challenges in identifying separated children."

 

[Lucky 1]

Republicans can no longer make the argument that they're only against illegal immigration, considering that under Trump they supported curbing legal immigration as well.

In my opinion, Curbing legal immigration is also a good idea....early in our countries history we were a growing and expanding country expanding and need people and labor and allowing wide spread immigration was the was to get that labor and made sense

Today our country is filled from coast to coast and allowing large numbers of foreign nationals to come here no longer makes any sense......as a country we need to focus on our own citizens needs and welfare rather then immigrating foreign nationals.

Frankly...the time for allowing widespread legal immigration is over...we just don't need it anymore.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

In my opinion, Curbing legal immigration is also a good idea....early in our countries history we were a growing and expanding country expanding and need people and labor and allowing wide spread immigration was the was to get that labor and made sense

Today our country is filled from coast to coast and allowing large numbers of foreign nationals to come here no longer makes any sense......as a country we need to focus on our own citizens needs and welfare rather then immigrating foreign nationals.

Frankly...the time for allowing widespread legal immigration is over...we just don't need it anymore.

Wow a republican against freedom of movement who would've thought.

 

[Lucky 1]

Wow a republican against freedom of movement who would've thought.

Freedom of movement!!!....LOL! You're funny!

While I don't identify as "Republican" I am in fact against illegal immigration.....and I am FOR countries having control of there borders and who comes in....ALL countries ...not just the U.S., have a right to know who's crossing there borders and decide who come in and who doesn't

Its really that simple

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Freedom of movement!!!....LOL! You're funny!

" In my opinion, Curbing legal immigration is also a good idea "

Lmao

While I don't identify as "Republican"

Yeah fascist is a more apt descriptor

 

[uptower]

Biden, for one. Setting up a task force to "explore" the issue is not an "asap" move.

You're right he should be doing it faster. It'll probably take time to track all those separated families down

 

[uptower]

 

[mrjurrs]

When will he reunite the aborted fetuses back with their families?

Probably only the ones where the mother was forced to undergo the legal procedure.

 

[Lucky 1]

Yeah fascist is a more apt descriptor

Sounds like you're clueless about what fascist actually means....why don't go ask one of your fellow fascists' Democratic friends

 

[dixon01767]

Long overdo. Undoing yet another sadistic Trump policy.

Actually its a policy of the legislature that made it a crime to cross the border illegally. Trumps policy was to simply follow the law. Bidens policy is to ignore the law if you have a kid with you. Weve seen this Biden policy before. Leads to people illegaly crossing the border with a kid in tow

 

[dixon01767]

Translation: Biden will release illegal immigrants into the U.S. as that is the only way to keep them together due to a court ruling that made it illegal to have kids be detained with adults, even if they are family. A lawsuit that was pushed by liberals in the first place.

And meanwhile, every day US citizens are separated from their children when they go to jail.

 

[Fishking]

And meanwhile, every day US citizens are separated from their children when they go to jail.

You see, the left doesn't care about Americans as it's own group, per se. They do care if the Americans are part of some other special demographic group that they've deemed the only ones worthy of caring about but as a stand-alone group of "Americans" they don't care for them.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

There we disagree .......A foreign national (illegal alien) Breaking into a country and illegally crossing a sovereign border is no minor crime and not even remotely as minor as a speeding ticket.

I disagree.

There is a valid reason that countries have things like borders, customs agencies and passports.

I agree.

Countries have a security interest in controlling there borders and knowing exactly who is coming in.

I agree.

And when you have literally hoards of foreign nationals not just crossing a border illegally but coming here demanding citizenship and access to government institutions and handouts....something has to be done.

Yes, something has to be done, but it doesn't have to be the most severe punishment we can imagine in an effort to terrorize them. They are just people looking for jobs. And we have the right to forbid entry to anyone we want. But we do not have the obligation to treat them like shit. That's the part of it that bugs me. Trump supporters get off on treating immigrants like animals.

And Trump took a serious situation and treated it like the serious situation it actually is.

That's not what happened. Trump took a serious situation and treated it as an opportunity to be cruel to people and his supporters loved it because his supporters love being cruel to people, especially people his supporters consider beneath them.

Trump is just another cruel idiot.

And Barrack Obama also took it seriously to a large degree...which is why he instituted such things as separating children from adults

This isn't true.

When the administration began separating families, pro-Trump pundits argued that the administration was implementing the same policy as the Obama administration. According to PolitiFact, the assertion that Trump was implementing the same policy as Obama is "false", noting "Obama's immigration policy specifically sought to avoid breaking up families. While some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare and families were quickly reunited even if that meant the release of a parent from detention."[39] The Obama Administration did consider separating families, but decided against it.[49]

Trump administration family separation policy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ren]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/biden-immigration-executive-orders/index.html

CNN)President Joe Biden signed three executive orders Tuesday that take aim at his predecessor's hardline immigration policies and try to rectify the consequences of those policies, including by establishing a task force designed to reunite families separated at the US-Mexico border.
The latest orders build upon the actions taken in Biden's first days in office and begin to provide a clearer picture of the administration's immigration priorities.

I'm not making new law, I'm eliminating bad policy," Biden said at the White House, flanked by Vice President Kamala Harris and newly confirmed Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, of the stream of executive orders he's signed as President.
"This is about how America's safer, stronger, more prosperous when we have a fair, orderly, and humane legal immigration system," Biden said.

It would've been so much better to reunite the illegal immigrant families first and then send them back home together.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

You see, the left doesn't care about Americans as it's own group, per se. They do care if the Americans are part of some other special demographic group that they've deemed the only ones worthy of caring about but as a stand-alone group of "Americans" they don't care for them.

That's not it at all. It's solely an issue of humanitarianism. We don't have to treat immigrants like shit to protect our border. It's that simple. If we wouldn't put someone in jail for a traffic violation then why would we do it for something like this? People crossing an imaginary line looking for a job aren't committing a crime serious enough that deserve their families to be separated.

And Trump supporters supported Trump's moves to make these immigrants suffer because Trump supporters are ****ing assholes who get off on making other people suffer, especially people they consider beneath them.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Actually its a policy of the legislature that made it a crime to cross the border illegally. Trumps policy was to simply follow the law. Bidens policy is to ignore the law if you have a kid with you. Weve seen this Biden policy before. Leads to people illegaly crossing the border with a kid in tow

The immigration laws have always allowed for non-criminal deportations, including deportations of families. And that's the way we've done most deportations for decades. Trump's "tough" approach makes his angry, racist base happy, but it's not at all necessary.

 

[Fishking]

That's not it at all. It's solely an issue of humanitarianism. We don't have to treat immigrants like shit to protect our border. It's that simple. If we wouldn't put someone in jail for a traffic violation then why would we do it for something like this? People crossing an imaginary line looking for a job aren't committing a crime serious enough that deserve their families to be separated.

What if they continually, in perpetuity, where committing traffic violations, worked illegally, and possibly used forged documents as well? I agree we shouldn't treat immigrants poorly, but that does not mean we have to allow them in and continually break the law. That's something we don't allow U.S. citizen to do.

Ironically, if we did a better job at securing our border then this would be less of a problem. Also, children wouldn't be used. Many of the kids who's parents or family couldn't be found was because the person that brought them wasn't related to them. They just used them to try and increase their chances of being allowed in.

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

Sounds like you're clueless about what fascist actually means....why don't go ask one of your fellow fascists' Democratic friends

It's you that has no clue what fascism is. By definition. it is a radical right wing ideology. promoted by such stalwarts as Hitler, Mussolini and Trump, 3 of the worst autocrats this world has ever seen.

Use the google button and learn something before you show this web site how ignorant you are.

fascism - Search

www.bing.com

"an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms:
authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · despotism · autocracy · absolute rule · Nazism · rightism · militarism · nationalism · xenophobia · racism · anti-Semitism · [more]
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice."

 

[W_Heisenberg]

What if they continually, in perpetuity, where committing traffic violations Is this an analogy or is this an actually question of, if illegal immigrations repeatedly committed traffic violations? worked illegally, and possibly used forged documents as well? I agree we shouldn't treat immigrants poorly, but that does not mean we have to allow them in and continually break the law. That's something we don't allow U.S. citizen to do.

It depends entirely on the situation, but the severity of the punishment should be aligned with the severity of the crime.

Ironically, if we did a better job at securing our border then this would be less of a problem. Also, children wouldn't be used.

Sure. I agree. A more secure border would help with this kind of thing.

Many of the kids who's parents or family couldn't be found was because the person that brought them wasn't related to them. They just used them to try and increase their chances of being allowed in.

I don't believe this. Do you have a reference or a link or any supporting evidence to back up this claim?

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

That's not it at all. It's solely an issue of humanitarianism. We don't have to treat immigrants like shit to protect our border. It's that simple. If we wouldn't put someone in jail for a traffic violation then why would we do it for something like this? People crossing an imaginary line looking for a job aren't committing a crime serious enough that deserve their families to be separated.

And Trump supporters supported Trump's moves to make these immigrants suffer because Trump supporters are ****ing assholes who get off on making other people suffer, especially people they consider beneath them.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Unless you are white with a European lineage, you are not welcome here in the bizarro world of Trump. There is no such thing as advocating diversity with him. And his radical, far right, fascist beliefs has emboldened his base. He set back progress more a century. Mary Trump cited his bigotry and racism repeatedly. What a shame that this country now avows the pure hatred that Hitler promoted.

 

[Fishking]

I don't believe this. Do you have a reference or a link or any supporting evidence to back up this claim?

Border Crisis: CBP Fights Child Exploitation | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

"It’s a situation Border Patrol Agent Hermann Rivera faced far too often: an adult illegal alien approaching him with a child in tow, seeking asylum in the United States.

“He initially stated that the child was his kid,” Rivera said. But after carefully checking his documents and pressing the issue, the man admitted the truth. “’I’m not sure whose child this is,’” Rivera said the man told Border Patrol agents when he finally revealed the truth.

It’s something that has happened thousands of times in the past year. In fact, Border Patrol agents identified more than 6,200 fraudulent family members in fiscal year 2019, which runs from Oct. 1, 2018 through Sept. 30, 2019. This is at a time when Border Patrol agents apprehended over 473,000 people who presented themselves as a family unit.

The reason so many are making the perilous journey through Mexico with a child – whether it’s a fraudulent family or a biological parent or legal guardian – is obvious: many before them were allowed to stay in the United States despite their illegal entry across the border. In the recent past, CBP could hold most families just a few days before releasing them into the U.S. or transferring them to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who by a 2015 court order had to release families into the United States within 20 days. The result was that these families were able to remain in the U.S. – often indefinitely."

Like I said...it's likely his change in policy will result in illegal immigrants being released into the U.S., not sent back, and children are exploited by non-relatives for this purpose.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It’s something that has happened thousands of times in the past year. In fact, Border Patrol agents identified more than 6,200 fraudulent family members in fiscal year 2019, which runs from Oct. 1, 2018 through Sept. 30, 2019. This is at a time when Border Patrol agents apprehended over 473,000 people who presented themselves as a family unit.

Thank you for the information.

6,200 does not seem like a very big number in comparison to the number of total people apprehended, 473,000.

Like I said...it's likely his change in policy will result in illegal immigrants being released into the U.S., not sent back

For those claiming asylum, yes. But when they claim asylum they begin a process where they are interacting with our immigration system, not trying to avoid it.

 

[Fishking]

Thank you for the information.

6,200 does not seem like a very big number in comparison to the number of total people apprehended, 473,000.

It's not a huge number, but it's a big chunk of the estimated 10,000 kids that were detained.

For those claiming asylum, yes.

Which is the strategy. Come as a family unit, even if it's a fake family, and claim asylum and you increase your chances of being released into country. They are poor immigrants looking for a better life, not stupid. They are aware of what is needed to increase their chances.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It's not a huge number, but it's a big chunk of the estimated 10,000 kids that were detained.

Nobody has an issue with children being detained who arrived on their own or without their parents. That's not the problem. The problem from a humanitarian perspective was the policy of separating families in order to terrorize would-be illegal immigrants.

Which is the strategy. Come as a family unit, even if it's a fake family, and claim asylum and you increase your chances of being released into country. They are poor immigrants looking for a better life, not stupid. They are aware of what is needed to increase their chances.

That's not the strategy. Most of the people claiming asylum go through the process.

(DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.

FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings - Human Rights First

Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When...

www.humanrightsfirst.org

 

[Fishking]

Nobody has an issue with children being detained who arrived on their own or without their parents. That's not the problem. The problem from a humanitarian perspective was the policy of separating families in order to terrorize would-be illegal immigrants.

That's not the strategy. Most of the people claiming asylum go through the process.

(DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.

FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings - Human Rights First

Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When...

www.humanrightsfirst.org

That's some promising info. Do we know what the rate of asylum approval is, as that ultimately results in identical results at the end of the day. I guess I should clarify that my main goal is to shrink the labor pool as a forcing mechanism to increase wages without increasing unemployment. I prefer pretty much all immigration from all countries to be heavily reduced, and this would include the H1B visas.

All of this suppresses wages, and the irony is that immigration/illegal immigration actually hurts communities of color more than any other.