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Bernie Sanders Colluded With Russia To Beat Hillary

Keridan said:
I get the point you are making. I'm not sure it's directly comparable seeing the outcome of the election, but I do see hypocrisy on both sides of so many issues.

I think that this article doesn't carry enough evidence or weight to draw any traction though. Uncle Bernie also doesn't make a good target since he doesn't draw much ire.

To your own point, though, do you believe that Ivanka's email foul up should be investigated? If so, I agree. If not, shouldn't Hillary's major screw up be ignored? I personally feel both should be investigated completely independently. Ivanka probably didn't do anything harmful, but she broke a pretty big rule and Trump admitted it. We should look into that.

The problem is that the more polarized and loudest members of both sides seem to have no issue being blind to their own side's issues. I'd like to see the same practices be shown regardless of party, but that's just a dream.
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The Ivanka email thing was totally and completely different. She had no state secrets involved in the emails that she used right at the very beginning during her transition and then quit. On the other hand, Hillary was not transitioning to her office and used her private server for things which included state secrets and after getting a court order to retain these emails, she purposely deleted over 22,000 of them. She looked guilty as hell. What was on those deleted 22,000 emails? Has Ivanka deleted any emails at all? Not to my knowledge.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo your own quote says they didn't target sanders. How could he collude with them then???
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What? Of course they didn't target Sanders. The Russians targeted Hillary to help Sanders, just as the Russians targeted Hillary to help Trump. That's the point. The left claims collusion with the Trump campaign but apparently with the same exact evidence, Bernie is not attacked by the left for colluding with the Russians in order to influence a presidential election (the Democratic primary). Hence, the total partisan biased hypocrisy.
 
tres borrachos said:
So you just made up a lie about Bernie Sanders for no reason. Well that's useful.
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I pointed out the total and complete hypocrisy of the left for attacking Trump for colluding with the Russians when they don't attack Bernie for the very same thing.
 
TheGoverness said:
Where does it mention Bernie Sanders colluding with Russia? I'll wait.
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Where is the evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election? I'll wait. Meanwhile, we have two exact same circumstances while Mueller is investigating Trump and absolutely no one is investigating Bernie.
 
TheGoverness said:
"Moderates" gotta be moderate, brah.
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I am moderate. My point is Trump didn't collude with Russian to influence the election and neither did Bernie. Either they are both innocent or they are both guilty. How much more moderate can you get than that? Don't you agree?
 
Moderate Right said:
What? Of course they didn't target Sanders. The Russians targeted Hillary to help Sanders, just as the Russians targeted Hillary to help Trump. That's the point. The left claims collusion with the Trump campaign but apparently with the same exact evidence, Bernie is not attacked by the left for colluding with the Russians in order to influence a presidential election (the Democratic primary). Hence, the total partisan biased hypocrisy.
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So why isn't there an ongoing investigation into your claim? Last I checked, the Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and the DOJ.

The answer is because nobody makes up things, like you did here.

By the way, the Mueller investigation is ongoing. Unless you are one of his lawyers working for him, you don't know what evidence he has of anything. And what he is investigating is Russian meddling in the 2016 Presidential election. So if your fantasy about Sanders colluding with the Russians is correct, then surely he will find that evidence.

Maybe Bernie's son was caught with his pants down granting meetings to people he believed represented the Russian government who had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
 
tres borrachos said:
So why isn't there an ongoing investigation into your claim? Last I checked, the Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and the DOJ.

The answer is because nobody makes up things, like you did here.

By the way, the Mueller investigation is ongoing. Unless you are one of his lawyers working for him, you don't know what evidence he has of anything. And what he is investigating is Russian meddling in the 2016 Presidential election. So if your fantasy about Sanders colluding with the Russians is correct, then surely he will find that evidence.

Maybe Bernie's son was caught with his pants down granting meetings to people he believed represented the Russian government who had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
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You need to be more moderate, brah.
 
Moderate Right said:
What? Of course they didn't target Sanders. The Russians targeted Hillary to help Sanders, just as the Russians targeted Hillary to help Trump. That's the point. The left claims collusion with the Trump campaign but apparently with the same exact evidence, Bernie is not attacked by the left for colluding with the Russians in order to influence a presidential election (the Democratic primary). Hence, the total partisan biased hypocrisy.
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Can you point to various shady characters in the Sanders campaign that actively sought Russia's help and held multiple secret meetings with them?? If not, then it's not anywhere near the same thing.
 
Moderate Right said:
I pointed out the total and complete hypocrisy of the left for attacking Trump for colluding with the Russians when they don't attack Bernie for the very same thing.
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Where is your evidence that Sanders colluded with the Russians? Did his son, son in law and campaign manager meet with them to get dirt on Clinton? Did one of his foreign policy advisors send out emails after meeting with a Russian linked academic who claimed to have knowledge of her emails? Did any of his campaign advisors claim to have knowledge from Julian Assange that WikiLeaks had the Podesta and DNC hacked emails?
 
Sanders has a shrine to Stalin in his basement.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Ivanka email thing was totally and completely different. She had no state secrets involved in the emails that she used right at the very beginning during her transition and then quit. On the other hand, Hillary was not transitioning to her office and used her private server for things which included state secrets and after getting a court order to retain these emails, she purposely deleted over 22,000 of them. She looked guilty as hell. What was on those deleted 22,000 emails? Has Ivanka deleted any emails at all? Not to my knowledge.
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Again, I'm simply calling for an investigation. Look into it. If either one shows further evidence (far more likely with Hillary), then get serious about it. But do you feel they should both be looked into properly?
 
Moderate Right said:
From the article:

"The runner-up in 2016 for the Democratic nomination, Sanders earned 46 percent of pledged delegates to Hillary Clinton’s 54 percent. His strong showing, however, may have been aided by a systematic effort by a large-scale Russian disinformation campaign that targeted Clinton and left Sanders unscathed."

Very same evidence the left on here claim that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the election. How about removing those troll posts?
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Russia didnt target me either... did I collude with them as well?

Did me or Bernie have a campaign and administration full of people who lied about meeting with Russians? Is there an exchange from either of our children actively admitting to colluding with Russia in order to knowingly seek dirt?

Your title was Bernie colluded with Russia, not that Russia's effect on our campaign (which I wouldnt be surprised seeing you denying altogether on a trump thread) happened to benefit every 3rd party candidate by not targeting them?

This is nonsense trolling and a mod should add a disclaimer to your title that your "evidence" is completely irrelevant and this title is pure fiction.
 
Moderate Right said:
I am moderate. My point is Trump didn't collude with Russian to influence the election and neither did Bernie. Either they are both innocent or they are both guilty. How much more moderate can you get than that? Don't you agree?
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That's nonsense. For Trump's campaign, you can't throw a sock in a conference room of campaign insiders and not hit a member of the campaign who had multiple meetings with Russians (they they initially denied ever happening). And whatever Trump or his campaign did or didn't do, it's illogical/nuts to assume that if one did something or not, the other is equally guilty or innocent. The dots don't connect.

And if you want to know why people are so convinced there is a 'there' there, those lies are a big part of it. The story keeps shifting.

- There were no meetings with Russians!
- Of course we met with Russians! Duh! And we never said we didn't, but we didn't talk about the campaign....adoptions!!
- Well, sure, of course we talked about the campaign, but just in passing! Nothing came of it!
- So what if we colluded? Collusion isn't even a crime? What kind of idiot wouldn't meet with Russians who promised dirt on Hillary?
- But what about Hillary, and Bernie? They colluded too!!!
 
Moderate Right said:
"The runner-up in 2016 for the Democratic nomination, Sanders earned 46 percent of pledged delegates to Hillary Clinton’s 54 percent. His strong showing, however, may have been aided by a systematic effort by a large-scale Russian disinformation campaign that targeted Clinton and left Sanders unscathed."
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So the Russians targeted Clinton, which makes sense if they were going to target people with the aim of disrupting the USA, and thought she would win like most everyone else did.
Undermine the incoming president, etc.



What the hell does that have to do with the bull**** you put in your thread title?
 
tres borrachos said:
So why isn't there an ongoing investigation into your claim? Last I checked, the Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and the DOJ.

The answer is because nobody makes up things, like you did here.

By the way, the Mueller investigation is ongoing. Unless you are one of his lawyers working for him, you don't know what evidence he has of anything. And what he is investigating is Russian meddling in the 2016 Presidential election. So if your fantasy about Sanders colluding with the Russians is correct, then surely he will find that evidence.

Maybe Bernie's son was caught with his pants down granting meetings to people he believed represented the Russian government who had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
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I didn't make anything up at all. It's right there in the link. Russia tried influencing the primary for Bernie to beat Hillary, just as Russia tried to do it by favoring Trump over Hillary. No difference.
 
Moderate Right said:
I didn't make anything up at all. It's right there in the link. Russia tried influencing the primary for Bernie to beat Hillary, just as Russia tried to do it by favoring Trump over Hillary. No difference.
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I missed the part in the link where it said Bernie Sanders colluded with Russia. Screen shot it and post it here for the rest of us who read the article and didn't see those words.

Your claim. You said he colluded with Russia to beat Hillary. It's right in your subject line. Now you have to back it up or admit you lied for no reason.
 
While Trump is downplaying Russian aggression in the Sea of Azov, you come here and claim-complain that Bernie is a Russian agent.


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Do you have any idea how stupid you look right now?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I agree here with a number of points you made.

1. What I found odd was the number of anti-establishment conservatives who backed Bernie Sanders because "of how he was treated," by the establishment. They seemed more upset by the supposed corruption of the DNC rather than the policies he supported which are supposed to be what they get upset about.

2. I am no bernie sanders fan. I think he is far too left and lacking in smart policy goals. He doesn't have the temperament to run this country, and is way, way too old.

3. Bernie Sanders should join the Democrats.

However, I think most of the political landscape sees Bernie Sanders as someone of little to no power whatsoever. That was his downfall. He was never going to break up the Clinton Machine. Bernie Sanders did primary well considering that he was up against the most politically connected super democrat of all time. And this I suspect made it even better for the cons to align with some of bernie's message. However, Sanders himself seemed overwhelmed with the support he was getting. It never really seemed like he wanted it. I have actually never even heard him utter the words, "feel the burn."

If you want to look at someone who actually wanted the long run to work out in the end, I would look at interviews John Kasich gave right before he dropped out. Kasich actually got a few bumps in popularity for listening to people and hearing them out. Whatever their problems may have been. So staying on message for Sanders and not talking about other human things, hurt him in my book. I know almost nothing about him as a person.
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Yes try as he might he was unable to break up the Clinton VOTING machine and received millions less votes than Hillary in the primaries. That did not stop the Russian trolls who courted Sanders supporters with lies about how the nomination was "stolen" by "crooked" Hillary and 1000's of his supporters stayed home on election day in protest. I wonder how many of them now regret their gullibility....and foolishness.
 
Keridan said:
Again, I'm simply calling for an investigation. Look into it. If either one shows further evidence (far more likely with Hillary), then get serious about it. But do you feel they should both be looked into properly?
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LOL Do you deny that Ivanka broke the law by conducting govt. business on her personal server? I thought that was what made Hillary guilty too? BTW A SOS has far more leeway than a Whitehouse "advisor" when it comes to handling sensitive information. Hillary was confirmed by Congress unlike Ivanka and Colin Powell used "America Online" for some of his Govt. communications.
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL Do you deny that Ivanka broke the law by conducting govt. business on her personal server? I thought that was what made Hillary guilty too? BTW A SOS has far more leeway than a Whitehouse "advisor" when it comes to handling sensitive information.
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I think you might have misread something. I was calling for investigation on both points. I don't think either is above being looked into. Both are breaking the rules/laws and both could be serious if it isn't stopped and handled.

I will mention that I think someone like the SOS who has been appointed to the 4th position in the line of succession might be held to a higher standard, but that doesn't make Ivanka innocent. Both should be checked.
 
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