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Berkeley to ban junk food in checkout aisles

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The mood and feel of Austin is lefty but a much different lefty.
Texas hippies and country cowfreaks are nothing like the dour fiends of Berkeley.
Yeah, Berkeley is a bit on the dour side.
I used to live in North Texas and my film-video work took me to Austin quite a bit the ten years I was there.

To be sure there's pockets of dour overly PC types, mostly on campus, but the majority of Austin doesn't pay them much mind. Austin is about yeee-haaa good times for kids with long hair whereas in Berkeley you may see knitted brows and a hairy eyeball if your hairstyle is deemed "cultural appropriation".
Yeah, I laugh at the extremes of Berkeley just like "deplorables" do.

The so called free market applies just as much and some on the Right do not acknowledge this because to do so is at cross purposes with their efforts to cast Democrats as all embracing of the most extreme examples of lefy-dom. But it really is the free market, of ideas.

And while that sort of overly PC stuff sells in Berkeley, it doesn't sell quite so much in Austin, or in Bethesda, Maryland, or Minneapolis, or "El Lay".
Water seeks its own level in almost everything.
Austin is real. Berkley is...uh, Gentrified.
 

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I'm fine with it. It's actually more of a loss for the stores because it will curb the impulse buying or kids throwing tantrums when they aren't allowed their m&ms. If a person wants a candy bar simply walk to where they are and get it. Problem solved.
Isn’t it amazing every time there’s left wing government overreach the political left will insist the regulation is meaningless to you because you can just do something else and yet it’s important that it exist.
 

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Radical rightist mouthpieces can't be happy unless they can find something that gets their rage outed. If there's nothing outrageous in the news they invent something and say the leftists under their bed whispered it to them in the night.
Isn’t it amazing how you basically defend every single petty regulation the left creates. Someone resisting arrest while high should be fully accommodated but grocers have to just submit to a central authority mandating merchandizing locations but you’re accusing critics of being paranoid
 

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Isn’t it amazing how you basically defend every single petty regulation the left creates. Someone resisting arrest while high should be fully accommodated but grocers have to just submit to a central authority mandating merchandizing locations but you’re accusing critics of being paranoid
That's bullshit. If you actually read the thread you'd know I don't support that degree of regulation. But that would contradict the leftists under your bed and outrage feels so snug and comfortable to you that you invent another reason to indulge yourself.
 

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That's bullshit. If you actually read the thread you'd know I don't support that degree of regulation. But that would contradict the leftists under your bed and outrage feels so snug and comfortable to you that you invent another reason to indulge yourself.
I don’t believe you when you say you don’t.

There is nothing in left wing political philosophy that would give you any principled opposition to this.
 

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Oh dear. You might have to exert yourself and walk a few more steps to get to another isle that has chocolates.

First world problems.
 

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Oh dear. You might have to exert yourself and walk a few more steps to get to another isle that has chocolates.

First world problems.
Why does it not shock me political leftist supports near total fascism
 

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I don’t believe you when you say you don’t.

There is nothing in left wing political philosophy that would give you any principled opposition to this.
"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion."

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This is your cue to correct all the dictionaries and reference books in the world, show us how they're wrong and only you know what "liberal" really means .
I've been liberal all my life. I know liberal values. You, on the other hand, don't have clue 1 what liberal means and don't want a clue either because it would contradict the liberals under your bed.
 

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Why does it not shock me political leftist supports near total fascism
I actually couldn't give two ****s what you have in your supermarket isles. If I don't want to buy something, I won't, irrespective of where it's situated. The tears over it are delicious though.
 

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Why does it not shock me political leftist supports near total fascism
Why does the statement in that silly post remind me of the stupidest thing I saw on the Internet today?
 

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Austin is real. Berkley is...uh, Gentrified.
Ehhhhh, pfffftttt.
I feel okay puttering around dour Berkeley, it's only mildly annoying sometimes.
But sure, I probably would not want to live there.
For one thing, I AM a gun owner, but that's not something I advertise much in private life.
Worse yet, I AM a motorhead and motorheads are persona non grata in cities like Berkeley.
And I am not very politically correct (I'm too damn lazy!) despite being a lefty, so I am bound to offend people.

The Berkeley of the 1960's and 70's on the other hand, I probably would have felt at home because Bethesda Maryland was a wee bit (actually a LOT!) like an East Coast version of the old hippie Berkeley back in the day.

Austin is great but I cannot handle the Texas heat and humidity anymore, and Austin traffic (thanks to TX road management)
is absolutely horrible. It is actually as bad or worse in some cases than LA traffic.
It is a simple case of too many cars and not enough road to handle them and the State of Texas couldn't care less about it.
Most likely it will never ever get better either.
 

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Typical fascist Democrat thinking...

The job of the government is to outlaw "temptation."

Of course, trillion dollar Google and Microsoft can make piles of money making rape-porn available to little children as an acceptable temptation.

Understand the new Democratic Party's priorities.
Example 103,600 as to why your posts are complete and utter garbage.
 

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Example 103,600 as to why your posts are complete and utter garbage.
I had deleted my message as excessive hyperbole. Otherwise I won't bite.
 

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Ehhhhh, pfffftttt.
I feel okay puttering around dour Berkeley, it's only mildly annoying sometimes.
But sure, I probably would not want to live there.
For one thing, I AM a gun owner, but that's not something I advertise much in private life.
Worse yet, I AM a motorhead and motorheads are persona non grata in cities like Berkeley.
And I am not very politically correct (I'm too damn lazy!) despite being a lefty, so I am bound to offend people.

The Berkeley of the 1960's and 70's on the other hand, I probably would have felt at home because Bethesda Maryland was a wee bit (actually a LOT!) like an East Coast version of the old hippie Berkeley back in the day.

Austin is great but I cannot handle the Texas heat and humidity anymore, and Austin traffic (thanks to TX road management)
is absolutely horrible. It is actually as bad or worse in some cases than LA traffic.
It is a simple case of too many cars and not enough road to handle them and the State of Texas couldn't care less about it.
Most likely it will never ever get better either.
All the places in NoCal that were super-cool back in the 70's are no longer accessible to the regular folks. Flats in SF, bungalows in Monterrey, Carmel, Berkley are all million dollar properties now or torn down and worth 5x that. Hell, even Mt Shasta has become a militarized zone, with cops armed to the teeth and about as friendly as hungry lions.
 

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All the places in NoCal that were super-cool back in the 70's are no longer accessible to the regular folks. Flats in SF, bungalows in Monterrey, Carmel, Berkley are all million dollar properties now or torn down and worth 5x that. Hell, even Mt Shasta has become a militarized zone, with cops armed to the teeth and about as friendly as hungry lions.
I know.
Dude, I live in Los Angeles, moved back here in 2012 after ten years in Texas. But I also lived in El Lay from 1982 to 1998 as well.
I've been up to the Bay Area as recently as 2018, and I have friends who have lived there all their lives.
I know all about how it's now so gentrified that you're either a millionaire or a grandfathered old hippie.
By the way, you know it's mostly Silicon Valley that did it.

I also lived in the artsy fartsy part of Venice Beach in a house that was $750 a month and purchase price of $154,000 back in the mid 1980's and that house just sold for four million, so that gentrification is happening down here too.
That is why we bought a house in Whittier instead of in Venice where I had all those fond memories, we could not afford Venice.
 

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Isn’t it amazing every time there’s left wing government overreach the political left will insist the regulation is meaningless to you because you can just do something else and yet it’s important that it exist.
What's amazing is that you need to make it a left or right issue instead of thinking in the long run that it could be good for people.
 

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Many Americans can relate to the tempting, passing glances at the colorful assortment of confections while waiting in line at the grocery store. But one city in Northern California is making a move to help people resist the unhealthy urges at checkout in favor of healthier options.

The Berkeley City Council unanimously approved a Healthy Checkout Ordinance at its meeting on Tuesday that will be reviewed next month.



If you have kids, you know what a hassle it is to get to the checkout and have all those sweets and chips within arms reach.


Berkeley is a left wing town. Do you support this kind of regulation?
And yet the left continues to claim they are the authoritarian ones. :rolleyes:
 

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Why does it not shock me political leftist supports near total fascism
Umm, having to walk to the candy aisle to get your Snickers is not fascism. Still, I am glad that when government pushes many people push back, so please keep at it (though perhaps without the hysterics next time ... ?).
 

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Many Americans can relate to the tempting, passing glances at the colorful assortment of confections while waiting in line at the grocery store. But one city in Northern California is making a move to help people resist the unhealthy urges at checkout in favor of healthier options.

The Berkeley City Council unanimously approved a Healthy Checkout Ordinance at its meeting on Tuesday that will be reviewed next month.



If you have kids, you know what a hassle it is to get to the checkout and have all those sweets and chips within arms reach.


Berkeley is a left wing town. Do you support this kind of regulation?
It's your responsibility to control yourself (and your kids). That said, specifically trying to prey on weak people is bad, so nothing of value is being lost here.
 

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We already know many can't. That's a given. And if they can't control themselves they'll get their junk food just like always. At the same time it will save impulse buyers and parents $.
By saving money don't you mean reducing economic throughput to the store, reducing profit margins and hurting the workers at the store? If we wanted to save people money, we could just close down all stores; think how much money would be saved!
 

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Why should the government be allowed to tell anybody where they can and can't place candy bars for the convenience of their customers? That does not sound like a function the government should be performing.

Porn at the check out aisles? How about cigarettes and alcohol
 

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Many Americans can relate to the tempting, passing glances at the colorful assortment of confections while waiting in line at the grocery store. But one city in Northern California is making a move to help people resist the unhealthy urges at checkout in favor of healthier options.

The Berkeley City Council unanimously approved a Healthy Checkout Ordinance at its meeting on Tuesday that will be reviewed next month.



If you have kids, you know what a hassle it is to get to the checkout and have all those sweets and chips within arms reach.


Berkeley is a left wing town. Do you support this kind of regulation?
I don't care. If the people of Berkley support it, fine. If people elsewhere don't, that's fine too. I don't see any constitutional or moral rights implicated here.
 
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