(Axios) Harris copies Trump's promise on no tax for tips

[Chomsky]

I think people are missing the point on this. This thread of 150 posts (to date) of is largely childish bickering of "it was Trump's idea and Harris stole it" v "no it wasn't" suggests a fair amount of ignorance of politics. This issue likely has very little to do with Harris looking at the Trump position and stealing it. That is nonsensical.

For those paying attention, last week UNITE Here, the hospitality workers union endorsed Harris. It is very likely 'a give' that the Harris campaign agreed to secure that endorsement. Certainly the union leadership would have told the Harris campaign that the rank and file would not fully embrace the endorsement if Trump were advocating for this and Harris was not. It would be an easy give by the Harris campaign as the only thing they are committing to is adopting this position (not much of a give), as its congress that actually writes law.

On the Trump side of this, its hardly a magnanimous gesture on his part (as he has zero magnanimity in him). As a hotel operator (and the recipient of lots of campaign funds from major Las Vegas), its actually the employers that would love taxing on tips to go away as 1) they pay payroll taxes on the tips and 2) it gives their workers a real raise without cost to them.

Trump largely backed this for his hotel friends; Kamala likely did this to secure the union endorsement. In the end, the same issue pays a different constituency. Harris likely did this for unions, while Trump did it for his friends.

I'd add Trump, a hotelier, also did it for himself!

There apparently are 171K union members members in NV, with 61K being culinary workers. If they support Harris in substantive numbers, that's an ability move the needle several points.

 

[Visbek]

What are we to make of it? Will it work?

Meh

This is not a new idea, and Trump didn't come up with it.

No matter who's touting it, I am not a fan.

It's clearly income. I'm OK with giving tipped workers a break. But...

What should really happen is that people whose income is primarily in tips should be paid a living wage in the first place, rather than be forced to suck up to toxic entitled customers who can hold out the threat of not paying.

I'd add that most of the world doesn't tip, and surprise!!! all that work gets done, just as well as in the US. Sometimes better. What a concept!

And I may be wrong, but my guess is that customers aren't as obnoxious or entitled as Americans, though that may not be solely due to the culture of tipping.

 

[reflechissez]

Like I said sure. It’s all good.

It is, isn't it?

 

[TamleeB]

It is, isn't it?

Sure, isn’t that what I said. Here, I will repeat it for you. It’s all good.

 

[Chomsky]

Idiotic response to a post wondering why Trump wasn't seen in swing states while Harris hit just about every swing state last week. She is in the battle; Trump is on the sidelines.

Harris went to San Francisco to raise money. You just keep you head in the sand and tell yourself you candidate doesn't have a problem. At least he is throwing ketchup against the wall.

It is a quandary though, as why Trump ceased rallying & campaign events.

In 2020, and especially 2016, he rallied relentlessly! In fact, I firmly believe his rallying won the election for him in 2016, particularly the last-day rally in MI where he came-from-behind to win the state by a scant 11K votes!

 

[reflechissez]

Sure, isn’t that what I said. Here, I will repeat it for you. It’s all good.

IKR?

 

[Chomsky]

politicians rarely go to safe states. Are you saying that internal polling shows that NC is in play?

I'll add my opinion too, by saying I do believe Team Trump believes NC is in play!

Nate Silver's site has Trump only up 1.5 pts in NC:

FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast

All the numbers for Trump vs. Harris.

www.natesilver.net

 

[ttwtt78640]

The Republican Senate wasn't on board.

This year was the first time both parties had a bipartisan bill, and Trump put the kibash on it!

"Don't let perfect be the enemy of good"

(& now if Trump loses, GOP House get nothing. Real smart!)

That’s a very weak excuse. Reality is that before 2023 the Biden/Harris administration was insisting that the border was secure and that there was no ‘border crisis’.

BTW, that bipartisan support was from two republicants and dropped to one after the bill’s text became known.

 

[upsideguy]

It is a quandary though, as why Trump ceased rallying & campaign events.

In 2020, and especially 2016, he rallied relentlessly! In fact, I firmly believe his rallying won the election for him in 2016, particularly the last-day rally in MI where he came-from-behind to win the state by a scant 11K votes!

What is seemingly happening here, thus far, is that Harris is getting deep under his skin. He is responding poorly. He either hides, which is largely what he has been doing or opens his mouth and self destructs, which happens to often. The only real effort has been his "sicko-phants" lobbing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, but attacking the military service of a 24 year veteran seems pretty pathetic.

Someone has to figure out how to get Trump out of his tail spin. Personally, I like watching the Trump plane in a death spiral (politically speaking), but trying to put on my Trump supporter shoes (they don't fit, so it hurts), he has to change something because this isn't working for him.

 

[Chomsky]

NC may be an issue for them because they went with Robinson for their Governor candidate, a man with a very bad history when it comes to not only women's rights but also being a rightwing conservative asshole all around. Add in the person running for school superintendent and there are a lot of left leaning North Carolinians determined to vote. I'm not saying it'll be enough to counter the right here, but could improve chances all around for at least those state wide contests.

A rising tide raises all boats. As Harris rises in national polls, new opportunities may present themselves.

If GA is now a toss-up, NC could very well be coming into play.

But I see NC as the new Dem Florida, where no matter how hard they try - they never quite get there!

 

[Chomsky]

Difference is, Trump wouldn't actually do it.

Bingo. There ya' go!

 

[Chomsky]

You wanted Biden out of the race. He's out.

You wanted tougher immigration. Harris listened and now has a tougher stance.

You claim to like the idea of no taxes on tips. Harris listened and adopted that policy as well.

Something tells me you're not supporting Trump for the reasons you publicly state.

Well done!

 

[hooligan]

Nah. She got it from whoever trump got it from.

Ron Paul?

 

[Superfly]

LOL. I don’t care who Trump got the idea from. Kamala got it from him. LOL

So Kamala stole it … but Trump didn’t.

 

[Chomsky]

That’s a very weak excuse. Reality is that before 2023 the Biden/Harris administration was insisting that the border was secure and that there was no ‘border crisis’.

BTW, that bipartisan support was from two republicants and dropped to one after the bill’s text became known.

As the border situation continued to deteriorate, Biden implored & worked towards a bipartisan solution. This came to fruition in '24, where Trump shut it down.

Now what? If Trump loses (quite possible), what did they (Republicans) get? Nothing. They idiotically followed Trump, rather than reconcile the two Bills into a viable border solution.

 

[Bighorn66]

Meh

This is not a new idea, and Trump didn't come up with it.

No matter who's touting it, I am not a fan.

It's clearly income. I'm OK with giving tipped workers a break. But...

What should really happen is that people whose income is primarily in tips should be paid a living wage in the first place, rather than be forced to suck up to toxic entitled customers who can hold out the threat of not paying.

I'd add that most of the world doesn't tip, and surprise!!! all that work gets done, just as well as in the US. Sometimes better. What a concept!

And I may be wrong, but my guess is that customers aren't as obnoxious or entitled as Americans, though that may not be solely due to the culture of tipping.

Nope. Service is not as good in other counties as it is in the United States. I’ve been in plenty of restaurants where the service is atrocious. Service was particularly god awful in Zurich and in Porto and much more lackadaisical in many other places. I’ve seen patrons yell at staff because they aren’t doing their jobs.

Paying for performance creates a much higher level of service.

I’m not discounting the idea of paying them a living wage. But stating that service is just as good without it is one that I doubt is based on sufficient observations.

 

[Chomsky]

What is seemingly happening here, thus far, is that Harris is getting deep under his skin. He is responding poorly. He either hides, which is largely what he has been doing or opens his mouth and self destructs, which happens to often. The only real effort has been his "sicko-phants" lobbing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, but attacking the military service of a 24 year veteran seems pretty pathetic.

Someone has to figure out how to get Trump out of his tail spin. Personally, I like watching the Trump plane in a death spiral (politically speaking), but trying to put on my Trump supporter shoes (they don't fit, so it hurts),

Trump's going-on 'X' with Elon Musk, tonight.

Apparently some GOP politicos are happy it's on 'X', and out-of-sight from most of the general public. They fear the public perception repercussions him & Musk talking-it-up together!

he has to change something because this isn't working for him.

Seems to be, unless this is a Harris honeymoon bubble that will recede on it's own!

 

[ttwtt78640]

As the border situation continued to deteriorate, Biden implored & worked towards a bipartisan solution. This came to fruition in '24, where Trump shut it down.

Now what? If Trump loses (quite possible), what did they (Republicans) get? Nothing. They idiotically followed Trump, rather than reconcile the two Bills into a viable border solution.

Waiting until 2024 to act (after claiming that he had no such power) was Biden’s decision, trying to blame republicants for that is weak.

 

[Chomsky]

Waiting until 2024 to act (after claiming that he had no such power) was Biden’s decision, trying to blame republicants for that is weak.

But Biden's actions are partial & limited, with no funding. Where does the money come from? How do you end catch & release?

The topic isn't Biden, but rather will Harris be able to successfully run on Border Security - as she is now?

Check it out:

 

[ttwtt78640]

But Biden's actions are partial & limited, with no funding. Where does the money come from?

The same place Trump found it.

How do you end catch & release?

By using remain in Mexico/Canada.

The topic isn't Biden, but rather will Harris be able to successfully run on Border Security - as she is now?

Nope, since her plan is blame shifting.

Check it out:

I did and it consists of blame shifting. Her goal is to ‘process’ (aka catch and release) folks faster while calling for a ‘pathway to citizenship’ for those here illegally.

 

[Chomsky]

The same place Trump found it.



By using remain in Mexico/Canada.

That ran out with the Pandemic Emergency Order

Nope, since her plan is blame shifting.



I did and it consists of blame shifting. Her goal is to ‘process’ (aka catch and release) folks faster while calling for a ‘pathway to citizenship’ for those here illegally.

We'll see. The polls will tell the tale. She now appears to be polling around even with Trump on the economy, so her PR push may be working - at least on that issue.

Financial Times DP Thread:

Harris is Trusted More than Trump in Handling the economy--Financial Times.

It's about time that Americans finally have awakened. The lead is only 46%-45% but nevertheless, very telling. https://www.ft.com/content/cf9a7c4d-3b82-4867-892c-f4f95daebbc7?sharetype=blocked

debatepolitics.com

 

[hooligan]

I'll add my opinion too, by saying I do believe Team Trump believes NC is in play!

Nate Silver's site has Trump only up 1.5 pts in NC:

FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast

All the numbers for Trump vs. Harris.

www.natesilver.net

With the population growing in the Charlotte, Raleigh and Greensboro metros every year, I expect it to continue to become more "in play" as time marches on, as well.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That ran out with the Pandemic Emergency Order

Nope, you‘re likely thinking about Title 42 not MPP.

We'll see. The polls will tell the tale. She now appears to be polling around even with Trump on the economy, so her PR push may be working - at least on that issue.

Financial Times DP Thread:

Harris is Trusted More than Trump in Handling the economy--Financial Times.

It's about time that Americans finally have awakened. The lead is only 46%-45% but nevertheless, very telling. https://www.ft.com/content/cf9a7c4d-3b82-4867-892c-f4f95daebbc7?sharetype=blocked

debatepolitics.com

Harris without having presented a plan to ‘lower prices’ is polling better than she should be.

 

[roguenuke]

The same place Trump found it.



By using remain in Mexico/Canada.



Nope, since her plan is blame shifting.



I did and it consists of blame shifting. Her goal is to ‘process’ (aka catch and release) folks faster while calling for a ‘pathway to citizenship’ for those here illegally.

Stealing from military morale and family programs? Probably not a good idea.

 

[MTAtech]

She has apparently endorsed the Trump tax cuts put into place during that administration.
They are due to expire next year. She wants to extend them.
She was against them first time around.

Harris has endorsed the middle income tax cuts that will expire. She has NOT endorsed the tax-cuts on the rich and corporations.

On the taxes on tips, tax-free tip income is a bad idea on three levels.
1) Most tip workers pay no or little tax on their tips.
2) Fairness: why should a waiter earning six figures in a fancy restaurant not be liable for income taxes?
3) Rich people, such as stock brokers and hedge fund managers will arrange their bonuses to be "tips" not bonuses.