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Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:169]

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iguanaman said:
There's no doubt that this killing was going to swept under the rug until pressure from the community brough it to light. Is that what you mean? Do you think it was right to sweep it under the rug?
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If that is what the evidence supports then so be it. I don't believe in wasteing our courts time on political rhetoric. Regardless of who is under the light.

iguanaman said:
Do you know that Trayvon had not one mark on his body except the bullet hole? How could that be if there was even a shred of truth to the self-defense claim?
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That actually indicates to me that Zimmerman didn't get a hit in due to a surprise attack by Martin. There is evidence that Zimmerman was attacked (gashes on the head and a hurt nose). I've been in alot of fights over my years..particularly in school, and there were times that I walked away without a scratch and other times where the other person walked away without a scratch...in both instances it was because either I or the other person struck first and overwhelmed the other person (or me) before they (or I) had a chance to react.
 
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American said:
Mike Tyson on George Zimmerman:

I guess it's a good thing Zimmerman is in custody now. :shock:
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Now if we can only get Ted Nugent to chime in then we'll all have a very balanced and relevant repartee summing up the whole episode.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
Again this is the reason why you have no common sense. If you'd bothered to look at the evidence, which you've failed to do yet again, Zimmerman is also white. So take your racism somewhere else. You have nothing to base your theories on except for the stereotype you pinned on TM.
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Oh so Obama is white? He is also white via his mother being white. Do you consider Obama to be white because of that?

Seriously, what a stupid statement for you to make. Especially when you consider the fact that white racists will consider a person to be "not white" if ANY of their ancestory is from some other race. I really suggest that you educate yourself.
 
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poweRob said:
Now if we can only get Ted Nugent to chime in then we'll all have a very balanced and relevant repartee summing up the whole episode.
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Nugent would just say Zimmerman should have used a bow instead of a gun...too easy with a gun...
 
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muciti said:
Kal you are wasting your breath talking to MJ. He is going to make a ton of insane statements without warrant, then say you are ignoring evidence while not showing it to you and then keep going round and round and round.
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Yeah I know...sometimes I just can't help myself though. :shrug: Stupidity annoys me.
 
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poweRob said:
Now if we can only get Ted Nugent to chime in then we'll all have a very balanced and relevant repartee summing up the whole episode.
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Don't forget Paris Hilton and Sarah Palin.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Don't forget Paris Hilton and Sarah Palin.
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And Charo. No political commentary roundup is complete without Charo.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
That's a blast from the past.

Charo cuchi-cuchi's with Dean Martin - YouTube
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the only reason she popped in my head is that I saw her on a billboard here in NM the other day. She is doing a show here soon. She's doing the casino tour route. Casino tour... it's where has-beens go to scrape up a living by trying to relive their past. lol
 
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poweRob said:
Now if we can only get Ted Nugent to chime in then we'll all have a very balanced and relevant repartee summing up the whole episode.
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He already did.

Clips From Last Night: Ted Nugent on Trayvon Martin, Stedman Graham on identity and ownership – Piers Morgan - CNN.com Blogs


I also saw on the CNN site about another interview with Ted, the following:
In the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin case, Nugent recently penned a "The Washington Times" op-ed cautioning the public from jumping to conclusions, and encouraging calm.
Ted Nugent returns to "Piers Morgan Tonight" – Piers Morgan - CNN.com Blogs
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I haven't been able to pin down the op-ed yet.
Maybe someone else can.
 
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Michael Johnson said:
Yes it is pathetic, especially when one cannot back up their claims.

Sad.:coffeepap
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I have, and I have also used sources that other people have provided through out all the threads on this topic. You however haven't sourced a SINGLE thing to back up ANY of your claims.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I have, and I have also used sources that other people have provided through out all the threads on this topic. You however haven't sourced a SINGLE thing to back up ANY of your claims.
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Biased news articles are not sources.

Better luck next time.:coffeepap
 
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Michael Johnson said:
Biased news articles are not sources.

Better luck next time.:coffeepap
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NBC, CBS, and FOX...while biased yes...are not sources? News articles from the area that this is happening are not sources?

Tell me...what do you consider to be a "good" source?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
If that is what the evidence supports then so be it. I don't believe in wasteing our courts time on political rhetoric. Regardless of who is under the light.



That actually indicates to me that Zimmerman didn't get a hit in due to a surprise attack by Martin. There is evidence that Zimmerman was attacked (gashes on the head and a hurt nose). I've been in alot of fights over my years..particularly in school, and there were times that I walked away without a scratch and other times where the other person walked away without a scratch...in both instances it was because either I or the other person struck first and overwhelmed the other person (or me) before they (or I) had a chance to react.
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Zim states that Trayvon knocked him on his back with one punch. That was some punch to knock a 250 lb man down. How did he avoid even bruises on his knuckles?
 
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Michael Johnson said:
Still unable to provide facts.
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Ok Michael. I'll bite, again.

I believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense based on the information that has come out.

Facts as I know them.

Zimmerman was following Martin.
Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to continue.
Zimmerman lost Martin.
Zimmerman and Martin had a brief conversation.
Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him.
Zimmerman had lacerations to the back of his head and injuries to his face.
Zimmerman shot Martin.

Based on those facts that we know Zimmerman I dont think it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense. At best it is controversial and that works to the defendants benefit.

There are some other claims in this case that, based on the evidence that has been released, cannot be proven or disproven.

Such as

Martin throwing the first punch.
Who approached who first (claims to both have been made)
Martin going for Zimmermans gun.
Martin retreating when Zimmerman shot him.

IF none of these things can be proven either way it works to the benefit of the defense.

Lastly there are facts being thrown around which are just not true.

Like

Martin having skittles means he could not have assaulted anyone
Zimmerman being a racist


Your turn buddy. Lets see it.
 
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iguanaman said:
Zim states that Trayvon knocked him on his back with one punch. That was some punch to knock a 250 lb man down. How did he avoid even bruises on his knuckles?
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I can take down a man with one punch. I weigh almost 250 and have been taken down with one punch.

Lastly when did you see his knuckles? Even if they dont, have you ever punched someone in the nose? They fall quick usually and you dont take much damage to the hand. Nose is not that hard of a body part.
 
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muciti said:
Based on those facts that we know Zimmerman I dont think it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense. At best it is controversial and that works to the defendants benefit.
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Is that actually what needs to be proven at trial?
I thought that was just to make an arrest.
I thought at trial that self-defense is an affirmative defense where the defendant has to show that he was acting in self-defense.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Is that actually what needs to be proven at trial?
I thought that was just to make an arrest.
I thought at trial that self-defense is an affirmative defense where the defendant has to show that he was acting in self-defense.
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That's kind of what I was thinking.
 
Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

iguanaman said:
Zim states that Trayvon knocked him on his back with one punch. That was some punch to knock a 250 lb man down. How did he avoid even bruises on his knuckles?
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If Martin didn't attack Zimmerman how is it that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and 2 gashes on the back of his head? Which the proof of that is in the enhanced video's of Zimmerman at the police station.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Is that actually what needs to be proven at trial?
I thought that was just to make an arrest.
I thought at trial that self-defense is an affirmative defense where the defendant has to show that he was acting in self-defense.
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No defendent should have to prove that they are innocent.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Is that actually what needs to be proven at trial?
I thought that was just to make an arrest.
I thought at trial that self-defense is an affirmative defense where the defendant has to show that he was acting in self-defense.
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He has already provided his affirmative defense.
All his lawyer has to do is introduce it at trial, which can be achieved in a few ways. One of which can be accomplished without Zimmerman even testifying.

But as I said previously, I seriously doubt that he wont testify.

And it doesn't actually have to be proven at all.
 
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