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Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

Nice Straw Man BTW.

When you can't actually attack a position, just invent a new weak position to attack. Putting quotes around justified--nice touch.

Oh...Hmmm...I thought I spent several posts doing a pretty clear job of attacking the point. That was just a nice addition...sort of like powdered sugar on french toast...ya know? Not needed...the butter and sugar do just fine...but its always nice to have a little sprinkled powdered sugar on top.
 
Compare the two groups of extremists from both sides.

Consider the life and actions of Jesus in the Chrisian Bible to the life and actions of Muhammad in the Kuran.

Now which group of extremists is in more opposition to the examples set forth by their holy figure?

Hmmm. I can sort of see where the Muslim terrorists get their ideas. Not so much the KKK though.
 

Oy vey.

Let's tale a little trip down memory lane, and start from 1980 (Part 1):


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Now to Part 2......:

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Part 3..... up to 2004... but you get the idea by now:


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Apparently, Duece missed all of that, zimmer. LOL
 
1.399 billion Muslims commit no violent crimes during their lifetime.
I think I win.
 
Of course...because beating wives, women, girls that dare to read, men who dont go to prayer, servants, basically ALL non muslims is not considered a 'crime'.
 
And you're saying that some obscure figure from 2000 years ago that might not have even existed, being a pedophile has any bearing on todays Islamic Terrorists.

So... what's wrong with Spuds statement...?

Ok then, tell me what the reasoning is for bringing the problems that the Catholic Church has faced into a discussion about Muslim intolerance toward other faiths, other than to take a cheap shot and silence dissent about Islam?

j-mac
 
Of course...because beating wives, women, girls that dare to read, men who dont go to prayer, servants, basically ALL non muslims is not considered a 'crime'.

You're generalising again.
 
Part 3..... up to 2004... but you get the idea by now:

OH...BTW...just noticed...that list doesnt include the near DAILY launches of mortar attacks into Israel.
 
1.399 billion Muslims commit no violent crimes during their lifetime.
I think I win.


What are those 1.4 Billion doing to reign in those within their faith that do?


j-mac
 
Ok then, tell me what the reasoning is for bringing the problems that the Catholic Church has faced into a discussion about Muslim intolerance toward other faiths, other than to take a cheap shot and silence dissent about Islam?

j-mac

So what seems to be going on is this: A Few radical "muslims" committ terrorist actions, and all of a sudden all Islam means terror...

By the same logic.

A few priests in the catholic molested and raped children (some still do) and so all Christianity or for arguments sake catholicism means Pedophilia.

The two words you're looking for are:

Contradiction and Hipocrisy.
 

You're generalising again.

Yes...shame on me...


Im sure this just NEVER happens...


And certainly not frequently...I mean...just because their leaders say so...and their women attest THAT it is so...


Because beating someone for allowing students to name a teddy bear...pshaw...
 
Why is it a Sudanese Muslims problem what a Saudi Muslim does?

I see...so...1.3 billion Muslims cant be ALL bad...except...Well...pretty much all of the Wahabbists...but...you cant blame one for the other. OK...but then lets not pretend it is 1.3 billion peaceful 'moderate' non violent muslims then. SO...Im guessing...a good chunk of those Indonesians...Pakistanis...Saudis...taliban, of course the Iranians... a bunch of Muslim extremists in Chechnya...a few thousand in the Philipines...

but just a few...not like...you know...a LOT...and the 'good' Muslims shouldnt be mixed in with the bad nor should they be responsible to call out the bad...so...that 1.3 billion...conservative guess...how many would YOU describe as 'moderate'? And are the moderates the ones that DONT protest when someone draws a cartoon of Muhammed? threaten to kill people over the threat of a book burning?
 

Don't ignore the countless examples Republic_Of_Public posted. Go back and read them. To claim this is just one instance is beyond silly.
 

Well plenty of that to go around in politics no doubt. But, the point I am making is that if you want to compare the Problems with the Priesthood, knowing that the Catholic Church is handling it, and making every effort to uncover, and change their perception of the past, then turn and say that they are really no different than Islam turning a blind eye, and even going as far as to use Taqiyya to cover for radicals in their midst then I would argue the true hypocrisy in this scenario lays with those making the false comparison to begin with.

j-mac
 
Why is it a Sudanese Muslims problem what a Saudi Muslim does?

Why is it fine for you to use the power of 1.4 Billion as a number to defend those, then turn and tell me they are not a monolith when it is your turn to explain why they remain silent in the face of murders bastardizing their religion?


j-mac
 
So what seems to be going on is this: A Few radical "muslims" committ terrorist actions, and all of a sudden all Islam means terror...

What do you think are, the "root" causes for people becoming terrorists?

Please, take your time
 
OH...BTW...just noticed...that list doesnt include the near DAILY launches of mortar attacks into Israel.

Vance, those are not considered terror attacks, but the Islamic method of delivering diplomatic messages.

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I am trying not to crack up here. Have you read the Bible? lol I know you said you were not a practicing Christian, but the Bible has all kinds of stuff like this in it. Why don't you see Christians doing stuff like this anymore? Is it because their religion is better? Or is it something else? Did Christians used to behave the same way? Yep they sure did. They burned witches, "purified" people, had crusades, held slaves they thought it was all okay because of their interpretation of the Bible at the time.
While Indonesia is supposed to have a secular constitution, they have a strong majority who fight to put in their religious law. They even have Sharia law courts. This kind of gross behavior could happen to any country, and come from any religion. (or non religion. Any idea can be taken to extreme)
Even today in this country as far as we have come there are still people in this country who wish that Christianity was the rule of law. (having read the Bible, that is a pretty scary idea) They would like to take a few steps back. And if they were able to take a few steps back, eventually, someone else would like to take a few more.

You take any of these archaic books and turn them into the rule of law, you're asking for trouble.
 
What do you think are, the "root" causes for people becoming terrorists?

Please, take your time

Socio-Political and Economic forces, you combine a poor, illiterate population with an extremist view and give them a common enemy, 40 years ago the communists were doing it, today you have islamists, as well as any number of separatists and political ideologue forces world wide, in all the cases, it is not the ideology that provides the motivation, it is simply a uniting factor, and then you have the nuts like Mengistu or Khomeini steer the forces in the directions they want it to go.
 


Nonsense.



Poor peoples situation resorting to terror activities has less to do with your so called "Socio-economic" problems than it does a lack of freedom.


j-mac
 
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