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Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

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In recent months, they have thrown shoes and water bottles at the church members, interrupted sermons with chants of "Infidels!" and "Leave Now!" and dumped piles of feces on the land.

Local police Chief Imam Sugianto said Asia Sihombing, a worshipper, was on his way to the field when assailants jumped off a motorcycle and stabbed him in the stomach.

The Rev. Luspida Simanjuntak was smashed in the head as she tried to come to his aid.

They are known for smashing bars, attacking transvestites and going after those considered blasphemous with bamboo clubs and stones. Perpetrators are rarely punished or even questioned by police.

The front also pressured local authorities early this year to shutter the Batak church, located in a densley populated Mulsim area, saying the permit was granted without the required approval of residents.
As reported across the Muslim world:

"In recent months..." the religion of love, peace and tolerance has been active working with Christians to assist them establish an open air house of worship. We have seen to it that they are well cared for in the best of Islamic traditions. Despite this caring from Muslims, the church member numbers are dwindling, illustrating the unattractiveness of the religion of hedonism, greed and perversion."
And then what do they do to a good Samaritan? Why, just take a plank to her head because she is a Christian.

And these people have been terrorizing Christians for months with the police turning the other cheek.

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(Note: the Muslim Outrage Meter regarding Christians has parameters from 0.00 to 0.00)

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Indonesian Muslims and Christians are usually at peace, acts like this are committed by a fringe element, usually recent Muslim immigrants, I hope whoever did this suffers to the full extent of the law.
 

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So why do Muslims in some unified voice that no religion possess every time one of them does something crazy. Where were all your demands for the Christian voice and Christians to stand up and denounce all the acts against Muslims like that Mosque burning or that Taxi driver? I agree its deplorable and those responsible should be brought to justice.

You can have a standard, just not two of them.

Did you know all the 9/11 hijackers were male? Where is the outrage from the male community letting the world know that the actions of those 19 males don't reflect on all males? Of course there's none not only because there is no "male global voice" but there's also no reason to assume that all men are terrorists simply because 19 were. Its just as ridiculous to put down an entire religion for the actions of a few as it is to put down an entire religion.

So cut with this "Ooo look at this religion of peace." Or "Muslim outrage meter" bull****, its ignorant, stupid, and doesn't contribute to any solutions. In fact it creates more problems.
 
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This is not an isolated thing. Muslim supremacists act like wild animals in the name of the Religion of Peace:



http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...e-birminghams-now-islam-zone-rule-police.html

MUSLIM ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS AND CHURCHES IN PAKISTAN

Malaysia: Christians calm following Muslim attack | Spero News

Libertarian Republican: Muslim attacks on Christians: Areas of Northern Africa starting to look like Nazi Kristallnacht

Catholic Culture : Latest Headlines : Bangladesh: 50 Christians injured in Muslim attacks

Eight Christians Killed in Nigerian Muslim Attacks | Worthy Christian News

YouTube - Muslim attack on shops and cars Coptic Christians in Egypt in the Christmas 2010.

Islamic Militants Murder Christian Leader

Methods Muslims use to attack Christianity | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Pakistan: Muslim mob attacks Christians, authorities arrest...Christians - Jihad Watch

Power Line - Christians Under Attack, Part II

Islamic Bomb Attack on Kosovo Serbian Christians - Atlas Shrugs

The Voice of the Martyrs Canada :: Muslims kill Christian woman and children :: Providing Information and Support for Persecuted Christians

Islam in Action: Michigan:Muslim Mob Surrounds and Attacks Christians~Video

Egypt: Mob Attacks Christian Man for Visiting Muslim Brothel



PROJECT OPEN BOOK: Documenting the persecution of Christians in the Islamic world

History of Jihad against the Byzantine Christians of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (634-1453)


Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Pope raises Muslim attacks on Christians with Pakistan president :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)







But surely, ask the liberal-left, there's some kind of mistake? Hardliners have hijacked the wonderful Religion of Peace and used it for purposes at odds with its beautiful, benign teachings.

...Must be the truth... we say so! We ARE the Leftards after all!

Surely there's nothing in the scripture or in proclamations by Muslim leaders which could possibly give the impression that Islam incites hatred towards the untermensch.....




KORAN, Islam's quick-start manual of hate and fear -


Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151



Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. 3:188 (Well, that lets the neanderthal louts off the hook then!)

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14



For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93 (Kafirs are OK though!)




Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94 (Allah's agents on Earth do the testing and 'punishing' like exemplary little followers!)



Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49 (Ditto)

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 7:4-5



"Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst ... as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?"
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73




Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123

Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 16:104



Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100 (Is it today?!)

The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105

Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75




"Fear the Lord ... and dread the Hour of doom." 21:49

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27


Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7



If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57

Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26


Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4


Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3







Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (Iranian Imam)

"Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

MORE: Islam: Muslims Have Always Killed Christians






....Oh. Maybe it's just taken out of context a bit!


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Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15

Well, quite! Are you SURE it's the Religion of Peace?!
 
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Its just as ridiculous to put down an entire religion for the actions of a few as it is to put down an entire religion.
Unless, of course, that religion was TAILOR MADE for murder and tyranny!

You didn't catch Jesus Christ telling followers to massacre the unbelievers, Jews in particular, as old Mo' did!!
 

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Unless, of course, that religion was TAILOR MADE for murder and tyranny!

You didn't catch Jesus Christ telling followers to massacre the unbelievers, Jews in particular, as old Mo' did!!
No it wasn't. If you have nothing useful to say then I suggest you stop before you humiliate yourself further.
 

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It was.

I have just one thing to say on that - Mecca, then Medina, then Mecca again, with the fleshed-out, brutal Islam ready to roll.

You'll know what that means if you really know your onions.
 
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Attacks against Muslims in the US has also risen since 9/11. Hell ignorant moronic American's attacked anyone who looked different after 9/11 which resulted in the murder of a Sikh among many attacks and murders. But I am guessing that is being ignored by the usual suspects..
 

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That's hardly comparable, though louts who act instead of think shame any side.

(The only exceptions, of course, being self defence.)
 

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Unless, of course, that religion was TAILOR MADE for murder and tyranny!

You didn't catch Jesus Christ telling followers to massacre the unbelievers, Jews in particular, as old Mo' did!!
Do Jews and Christians follow the commandment to kill disobedient children? damn, those that don't mustn't be very devout then. It is the individuals choice to choose which parts of their books to follow. Did Jesus not preach "Love your enemies, and bless those that curse you", but yet I see little of that in the Christian Anti-Muslim crowd, yet I'm sure they count themselves as Christians. It is the individuals interpretation of their scriptures that causes problems, not the religion.
 

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Islam was tailor-made for murder as a banished Muhammad marched back into Mecca (from which he was ejected for trying to convert everybody) with his new tribe.

Muhammad took revenge on the other district and community leaders by killing or capturing them and enslaving his former citizens. One female leader was pulled apart between two camels thanks to Mo's hatred for women.



I'm no practising Christian but from what I know, the 'bless thy enemy' stuff is more a state of mind than a command to let the enemy win without a fight, or to just go with supremacist outrage. It was supposed to keep you sane amongst the everyday death and destruction of the wartime ancient world.



And unlike in Christianity, where orders for bloodthirsty acts are related in the third person (and thus can be debated or rejected), Islam's commands to murder and tyranny came straight from the man himself.

In Islam's case the religion IS the problem.
 
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As reported across the Muslim world:



And then what do they do to a good Samaritan? Why, just take a plank to her head because she is a Christian.

And these people have been terrorizing Christians for months with the police turning the other cheek.

Muslim Outrage Meter: 0.0
(Note: the Muslim Outrage Meter regarding Christians has parameters from 0.00 to 0.00)

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I have an idea. Let's take one isolated incident and use it to generalize the entire world. Honestly.

I think people burning the Koran and murdering abortion doctors doesn't represent all Christians, does it?

Enough with the doube standard already.
 

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Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims.

Islam meets the definition of a CULT that preaches hate intolerance of ALL TRUE RELIGIONS , and Death to infidels, and much more.

Islam could be what they are often claiming but it would require a clear thinks reformer who is not hell bent to kill the rest of the worlds poulation.

Not only that but if you have not seen it yet please watch this: http://http://vodpod.com/watch/1556782-muslim-demographics
and then this:http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apszs52M4_Q
 

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Yet the majority of Muslims in the world live in peace, and that directly contradicts your statement.
Not at all, it merely exposes the over-simplicity of the other side.

"Most Muslims live in peace", states the maxim, "Therefore we conclude that the religion itself must be peaceful".

No.


It's only by the dint of humanity that ordinary Muslims remain well. Indeed, Mo-man himself foresaw this, hence his Koran verses which condemn Muslims who pick and choose the bits they like or who just wish to leave in disgust.


Is the death penalty for apostasy in the Qur'an? Yes it is, sweet little Rifqa - Jihad Watch

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20



In other words, picking only the peaceful stuff - peaceful stuff mostly cancelled out by 'abrogation' anyway!

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War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216


Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49

Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39

For the hypocrites (those who claim to be an Allah-junkie but who are actually still normal) there will be a painful doom. 4:138

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36

"Hell will appear plainly to the erring." 26:91

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8

If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 40:43

Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
 
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From the link you posted:
I used official FBI records to show that only 6% of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil from 1980 to 2005 were carried out by Islamic extremists.
Not this is in the U.S. not most terrorism. We hear it in the damn news almost every day that a new terrorist attack has been carried out in Iraq, or Russia, or the U.S.Marine barracks, in Afghanistan, or Germany, or the subway in England, or the streets of France.

If you don't know this you have serious problems and just want to argue. To pick and choose the figures you want to quote is like looking at a picture through a straw, you don't get the whole picture.
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From the link you posted:

Not this is in the U.S. not most terrorism. We hear it in the damn news almost every day that a new terrorist attack has been carried out in Iraq, or Russia, or the U.S.Marine barracks, in Afghanistan, or Germany, or the subway in England, or the streets of France.

If you don't know this you have serious problems and just want to argue. To pick and choose the figures you want to quote is like looking at a picture through a straw, you don't get the whole picture.
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What you say is true, that report only talks about terrorist attacks inside the US. However you still have to prove your statement that most terrorists are Muslims.
 

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From the link you posted:

Not this is in the U.S. not most terrorism. We hear it in the damn news almost every day that a new terrorist attack has been carried out in Iraq, or Russia, or the U.S.Marine barracks, in Afghanistan, or Germany, or the subway in England, or the streets of France.

If you don't know this you have serious problems and just want to argue. To pick and choose the figures you want to quote is like looking at a picture through a straw, you don't get the whole picture.
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Perhaps you should have read the next paragraph, from the link I posted.

But what about across the pond? The data gathered by Europol strengthens my argument even further. (hat tip: Koppe) Europol publishes an annual report entitled EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report. On their official website, you can access the reports from 2007, 2008, and 2009. (If anyone can find the reports from earlier than that, please let me know so we can include those as well.)

The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2007 to 2009 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.
The FBI figures are for America, the rest of the data is from Europol, about Europe


And read this, the Europol info for 2010, out of the 294 terrorist attacks carried out in Europe this year, only one was done in the name of Islam.
 

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Perhaps you should have read the next paragraph, from the link I posted.



The FBI figures are for America, the rest of the data is from Europol, about Europe


And read this, the Europol info for 2010, out of the 294 terrorist attacks carried out in Europe this year, only one was done in the name of Islam.
Hahaha, those pesky little facts. :lol:
 

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However, whilst most Muslims aren't stupid enough to want to use the bomb and bullet themselves in the cause of the likes of Al Quaida, far too many nevertheless agree with the policy:

Muslim Publics Oppose Al Qaeda's Terrorism, But Agree With Its Goal of Driving US Forces Out - World Public Opinion

Quarter of British Muslims 'support July 7 bombings' - Evening Mail | HighBeam Research - FREE trial

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Muslims split on Taliban fight





Muslim police say Islam not to blame for terror attacks - Telegraph - Some people also say that Europe took the second world war to Hitler!



Though to scramble about for some upside, at least someone has some taste and good manners:

"It's a sad day for us as Americans and it's a sad day for us a nation and we don't feel it would be right to celebrate on the anniversary of 9/11," said Abdou Kattih, vice president of the center's board of directors.
American Muslims nervous about Ramadan's end coinciding with 9/11 – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
 
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