Ashli Babbitt, justified shooting based on legality? Yes or no

[Taylor]

How about dead until resurrected, Taylor? Nobody cares what you think about this hero's guilt. There's no country in the world where you won't get shot dead for doing what she did.

Absurd. There were dozens of people who posed a much greater danger that day than she ever did, and probably 100's who "did what she did". None of them were killed.

 

[Fledermaus]

Sorry, that's absurd.

Yeah, nothing standing between her and a handful of Congress people but a series of 10ft. locked, solid mahogany doors with barred windows and a bunch of armed cops. No barriers whatsoever.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

If you watch the videos Congress people are visible through the glass.

 

[roguenuke]

Now you're moving the goalposts, talking about a completely different set of officers.

Deflection of the content of the post. Those officers on the stairs were not in direct communication (from the info we have and even see) with the officer who shot Babbitt. That shows that he had no way of knowing what was going on within that stairwell, especially when his line of sight to those stairs would have been impeded by the broken glass of the door and those within the mob in that area right outside the doors trying to break in. He may or may not have watched the officers that were in front of the doors before Babbitt tried to climb through leave. But he wouldn't necessarily have known why they left.

I was stating that those inside the Hallway, the Speaker's Lobby and the House Chamber (which were connected areas where none of the mob had yet to breach) were all obviously of the belief that the mob outside posed a threat to those within, since the officers within the barricaded areas of the Capitol, where the mob was trying to get to, but had not breached, had their guns drawn in lethal defense of those within that area.

 

[Fledermaus]

Absurd. There were dozens of people who posed a much greater danger that day than she ever did, and probably 100's who "did what she did". None of them were killed.

How many were breaching the barricade?

One tried.

 

[joko104]

Explain. She was breaching the final barricade between the protestors and the congress critters. You would have known she had no weapons? Based on what evidence available to the officer?

It is ONLY for Republicans that the police are to NEVER use non-lethal force. Any resistance to governmental power - if Democratic - must be dealt with by summary execution. For Democratic, BLM or Antifa "insurgency? The police are to completely withdraw.

 

[roguenuke]

"Didn't get back"?
There are two officers standing about 5-6 ft from her talking to each other when she was shot.

No they weren't. They were moving up the stairs after she was already on the ground. They were not on that stairwell and they were not trying to stop Babbitt from climbing inside the barricaded area. There is no indication and no evidence that they reached the stairwell before Babbitt was shot. Only after she was shot do we see signs of the tactical officers in that vicinity and the officer on the other side of those doors, who shot Babbitt would not have seen them at all in all likelihood.

 

[joko104]

What is the name of the officer that shot her? What is his/her police history? How many other people has that officer shot to death?

 

[Fledermaus]

I didn't say it wasn't possible that she could ever pose a threat. I said she didn't pose any sort of threat when she was shot. You're kind of proving my point for me.

The shooter didn't have your X-Ray eyes...

It is ONLY for Republicans that the police are to NEVER use non-lethal force. Any resistance to governmental power - if Democratic - must be dealt with by summary execution. For Democratic, BLM or Antifa "insurgency? The police are to completely withdraw.

Just stop....

 

[Logician Man]

Amazing that so many have a problem with an insurrectionist who had already trespassed on the Capitol, and was part of a mob of insurrectionists ( via her own tweets ), and was attempting to break through a barricated/secured door, that was protecting the Vice President, as well as Congress members of both political parties, hoping to hang former VP Mike Pence, was shot to death, due to her own bad decisions. It's unfortunate she wilfully chose to make those bab decisions which cost her her life, but the fact remains she died due to her own bad decisions; no one else's bad decisions.

 

[joko104]

The shooter didn't have your X-Ray eyes...


Just stop....

Telling the truth? Pointing out the murderous radical double standard and hypocrisy?

 

[roguenuke]

Absurd. There were dozens of people who posed a much greater danger that day than she ever did, and probably 100's who "did what she did". None of them were killed.

There is no evidence that others got anywhere close to members of Congress that day, at least not in the position she would have been in had she and those with her breached that barrier, as she was most definitely doing when she was shot. The closest may have been the group that one officer had distracted following him and he got lucky they continued to follow him rather than turning to head after those who were being evacuated. One turned head with recognition of who was in that other hallway, and there likely would have been more shot trying to protect those being evacuated.

 

[Fledermaus]

What is the name of the officer that shot her? What is his/her police history? How many other people has that officer shot to death?

Irrelevant...

 

[Logician Man]

What is the name of the officer that shot her? What is his/her police history? How many other people has that officer shot to death?

Evidently, the powers that be have decided that info is classified, at least to date, and none of your business.

 

[Fledermaus]

Telling the truth? Pointing out the murderous radical double standard and hypocrisy?

You and the truth are not sharing the same ZIP code at this point.

 

[Logician Man]

Absurd. There were dozens of people who posed a much greater danger that day than she ever did, and probably 100's who "did what she did". None of them were killed.

Those other insurrectionists should be thanking their lucky stars. End of story.

 

[Juks]

True. And when you go walking by yourself through Central Park at 2am you should also know that you might not walk out - but in both cases it should never be assumed that your death was justifiable on that alone.

You are comparing walking in a park with commiting treason?

 

[roguenuke]

Absurd. There were dozens of people who posed a much greater danger that day than she ever did, and probably 100's who "did what she did". None of them were killed.

Please show any evidence of just one other trying to get through a barricade, breach a constructed barricade inside the Capitol building that had lawmakers or their staff or officers, anyone authorized to be inside that building prior to the initial breach or as part of law enforcement in a vulnerable position if the mob got inside, in the same way she did. Simply breaking and crawling through a window of the building into an empty room or office is not at all the same.

 

[AGENT J]

There's no country in the world where you won't get shot dead for doing what she did.

you are looking for honesty, integrity, and common sense where there arent any

 

[grip]

I think the reason capitol police can use deadly force on unarmed assailants is that they could be strapped with hidden explosives. A delayed response could bring the attacker close enough to inflict maximum damage.

 

[rocket88]

Here's the code section that was considered - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242



It's pretty clear that the cop didn't kill her based on her being an alien, a person of color or her race so, under this statute, no crime was committed. Using this statute in this way also precludes cops from using the same level of force against a person of color in the same situation so at least we have standards.

The assassination of Ashli Babbitt is entirely justified because she's white. So sayeth the DoJ.

Gotta throw in that persecution complex somehow.

She's a polarizing character. Those who were "against" the putsch think it was justified. To hard-core Trumpists, she's a martyr for the cause.

 

[AGENT J]

Over 200 posts now.

Can anybody present one fact that makes this shoot unjustified based on legality?
Can anybody present one fact that makes her a nonthreat?

just one, thanks!

Coming up close to 400 now . . still nothing LMAO

Anybody?

my bet still stands . . .if anybody can factually prove this was a bad shoot or she factually was not a threat you can control my avatar and sig for a month . . and if you cant I get yours for a month . . any takers?

 

[rocket88]

??? sorry you must be in the wrong thread, this is about the terrorist Ashli Babbitt, who are you taklking about?

He's talking about their new martyr, St. Ashli, who was killed by the deep state because Trump was threatening to blow the cover off of their Satanist pedophilia.

 

[roguenuke]

One thing I want to point out is that with the levels of justified/not justified evidenced by this poll, do you really believe that any prosecutor would be able to successfully argue a case to a jury of twelve that this officer deserves to be charged with her death? You would literally have to stack the jury with nothing but Trump loyalists or those who are completely against guns/any police action to get a conviction, which no prosecutor worth their salt would ever allow to happen.

Most of the prosecutor's witnesses would have to come from jail or be awaiting trial.

You even have Republican members of Congress that believe the shooting was justified. The defense would definitely call on those like Rep Mullin to repeat what they said to news organizations about the shooting.

Capitol Police officer 'didn't have a choice' in shooting Babbitt, GOP congressman says

Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., said he witnessed the moment a police officer shot a woman inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, and insisted the officer had no other choice.

www.foxnews.com

 

[AGENT J]

He's talking about their new martyr, St. Ashli, who was killed by the deep state because Trump was threatening to blow the cover off of their Satanist pedophilia.

dont forget the lizard people and JFK jr is still alive

 

[mike2810]

True. And when you go walking by yourself through Central Park at 2am you should also know that you might not walk out - but in both cases it should never be assumed that your death was justifiable on that alone.

The whole reason for being there was to protest - get their voices heard.

- Are you supporting the destruction of property as a legal means of protest?
That is what the group of protesters were doing.

- Do you believe it legal to enter a restricted closed area during a protest?