Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?

[itsforthekids]

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That added NOTHING to this discussion. There are no facts or well informed opinion behind "I would venture to say..."... it is nothing but an impression without any consideration for the truth behind it. It's lazy. Moreover, no one is interested in your ill-informed impressions.

The best thing about debate is that it challenges us to know and/or learn the subject we are discussing. If you don't know, go learn. There is a world of knowledge, research and informed opinion just a couple of clicks away. Rather than "venture to guess" why not "adventure to learn"

Please use this and get back to us...

Google

LOL...progressive socialists vote out of emotion, and large parts of dem constituents are told who to vote for by those who are paid cash to get them to the ballot box.

 

[Xelor]

Even if there are more educated liberals than conservatives, they don't have Godly wisdom to the degree religious conservatives have.

The left's last two Einsteins - Clinton and Obama, were each a full quart low on Godly wisdom.

One turned the White House into his own private bordello, and the other turned America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

To the extent they don't, that is a good thing. (See attached.)

 

[itsforthekids]

I would venture to say you're wrong. I would also venture to say that later this morning I will ride a unicorn to work and eat rainbows for breakfast.

That personifies the way that lefties think!

 

[itsforthekids]

Wrong!
https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075
https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/alabama_didnt_lead_the_country.html

Both of my children have college degrees and have great jobs in their chosen fields. My wife is a college graduate with dual masters in education. I chose to skip college and pursue a career in business. I firmly believe in higher education. That being said, NOT having a formal higher education degree doesn't mean that you don't understand the issues. All the education in the world isn't helping when you vote with emotion.

 

[Oborosen]

I will not outwardly state that a majority of the left is uneducated. However I will state that they are educated in a horribly poor fashion.

 

[MTAtech]

This isn't a matter subject to opinion. There is actual research on this. Pew Research Center:

Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.

More than half of those with postgraduate experience (54%) have either consistently liberal political values (31%) or mostly liberal values (23%), based on an analysis of their opinions about the role and performance of government, social issues, the environment and other topics. Fewer than half as many postgrads – roughly 12% of the public in 2015– have either consistently conservative (10%) or mostly conservative (14%) values. About one-in-five (22%) express a mix of liberal and conservative opinions.

Among adults who have completed college but have not attended graduate school (approximately 16% of the public), 44% have consistently or mostly liberal political values, while 29% have at least mostly conservative values; 27% have mixed ideological views.

By contrast, among the majority of adults who do not have a college degree (72% of the public in 2015), far fewer express liberal opinions. About a third of those who have some college experience but do not have a bachelor’s degree (36%) have consistently liberal or mostly liberal political values, as do just 26% of those with no more than a high school degree. Roughly a quarter in each of these groups (28% of those with some college experience, 26% of those with no more than a high school education) have consistently conservative or mostly conservative values.

Taking a roughly equal mix of liberal and conservative positions is far more prevalent among those with less education than those with at least a college degree. For instance, nearly half (48%) of those with a high school degree or less education express a mix of conservative and liberal opinions. That compares with just 22% of those with postgraduate experience.

Link

 

[Bodi]

More "educated" does not mean more intelligent.

 

[holbritter]

Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

Pet peeve: it's under-educated. There are few uneducated in this country.

That said, just because you do not go on to a higher education, does not make one less intelligent. I would have to answer 'other' if it was an option. There are many book smart, street dumb people as well as the opposite.

 

[Moderate Right]

Actually, we do.

Keep up.

How so? With whom has Trump cheated in the last 10 years?

 

[Moderate Right]

What office is God running for?

You asked why. I told you why.

 

[Xelor]

Another anti-intellectual. True, you can’t get common sense from a degree. However, a college education does provide you with a wealth of knowledge, experience, and exposure to help you understand the complexities of a changing, dynamic world. On the other hand, those who choose to live their entire lives in the town where they were born and raised, where 90% or more of their neighbors think, believe, and look just like them, are resigned to isolating themselves in a cultural bubble.

Off-Topic:

I think one can obtain common sense in the course of pursuing a degree or diploma; however, scholasticism isn't the sole means of doing so.
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  [*=1]Conservatism in Epistemology
  [*=1]Towards a Theory of Common-Sense Realism
  [*=1]Introduction: Progress in formal commonsensereasoning
  [*=1]Moral Politics -- How Liberals and Conservatives Think

There is also the matter that history shows us that common sense is likely neither. To wit, one need only consider the evolution of heliocentrism or medicine or the scientific method itself (see also: Darwin and the scientific method). The short is that what today strikes many as common sense was for millennia neither sense nor common; indeed, there remain many, particularly among the peculiar being called a conservative, who routinely resort to oversimplification of complex ideas and processes as their justification for rejecting critical lessons learned and applied and that inform the cognition of those who by din't of education have developed what we call "good sense," regardless of its pervasiveness among humanity.
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  [*=1]Why Common Sense Isn’t so Common
  [*=1]Common Sense Is Neither Common nor Sense How often is common sense correct?
  [*=1]Common Sense Is Not So Common

For one's consideration, I offer contrasting real-world applications of common sense:
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  [*=1]Whatever Happened to Little Caesars?
  [*=1]The Need for Common-Sense Conservative Welfare Reform: Ten Questions for House Speaker Paul Ryan

Common sense is great for formulating questions, often questions that suggest simple, clearcut and actionable answers, yet in the end, it is lousy at providing what are in fact high-quality answers to those questions. Therein lies the problem with anyone's common sense: it's simplicity -- something we can all appreciate -- leads folks without adequate measures of formal training to over rely upon its conclusions. In short, it leads ineluctably to non-sequitur conclusions and execrable actions based on them. (See also: Oversimplification and Exaggeration Fallacies)​

How does one then obtain the "common sense" needed to recognize that one's or others' reasoning defines sense? Well, mostly by obtaining a degree, or at least by taking a college-level class in logic (philosophy), for generally, sound/cogent thinking aren't -- aside formal logic of math, proofs and computer science logic, which, though useful, overtax many folks ability to apply it to non-technical situations -- taught in high school, not even at what are considered among the best schools in the country.
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  [*=1]Hotchkiss Course Catalog
  [*=1]Exeter Course Catalog
  [*=1]Groton Course Catalog
  [*=1]Andover Course Catalog

The courses that teach one how to recognize and eschew the flaws in reasoning are offered in colleges of all sorts. (They are offered online too, for as little as $15.)​

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  [*=1]Logic (Princeton)
  [*=1]Logic (MCC)
  [*=1]Logic (PGCC)

 

[Lovebug]

The problem isn't uneducated it's unthinking and there are far too many of those on both sides of the aisle.

^^^
Yup, emotions seem to be running high on both sides.

 

[HK.227]

Forty years ago:

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at?

 

[tres borrachos]

Lots of reasons. Guns, abortion, tax cut, gay marriage. Not to mention, there are more on the left who don't believe in God and poor people who do are more apt to vote for God. Did that really have to be explained to you?

What the hell does this even mean? Abortion? Gay marriage? God? What the hell does God have to do with how people vote? "Vote for Trump because he's God"?

Why do you keep pretending to be a moderate? if this is what you think represents the Republican Party, you're no moderate.

 

[tres borrachos]

Pet peeve: it's under-educated. There are few uneducated in this country.

That said, just because you do not go on to a higher education, does not make one less intelligent. I would have to answer 'other' if it was an option. There are many book smart, street dumb people as well as the opposite.

You are correct. There are very few uneducated in this country anymore. There are only undereducated.

Uneducated basically means you never went to school and can't even read or write.

 

[Lovebug]

What the hell does this even mean? Abortion? Gay marriage? God? What the hell does God have to do with how people vote? "Vote for Trump because he's God"?

Why do you keep pretending to be a moderate? if this is what you think represents the Republican Party, you're no moderate.

May be because Trump pretends to speak up for Christians? Not sure.

 

[Xelor]

I have a Libertarian lean, I prefer smaller government solutions to problems... I am not technically a "Libertarian"... and I don't advocate anything you mentioned... nor am I a idealist.

You really like to put things in a box don't you xD

Now, do you really not believe all the greatest atrocities and worst failures in humanity were thought up by intellectuals? Are there things you disagree with, like the Iraq War? It was all thought up by brilliant advisers behind the scenes thinking they can fix things. You can apply it to anything....

Knowledge is power, it is not wisdom. Intellectuals can be just as wrong, if not even more horribly wrong than non-intellectuals. Lack of caution to change and personal responsibility is the two weaknesses of the left, and they need others to balance them out.

The reality is that intellectual of a given time conceived some of both the best and worst notions ever known to man. Equally so, however, is one'd be hard pressed to identify any non-intellectual who showed any of the worst ones to be so or who showed the superiority of any of the best ones. One must be vigilant in not confusing, conflating or equating intellectualism with either infallibility or omniscience, yet one must too refrain from inferring the lack of either quality invalidates soundly/cogently reasoned conclusions. (An interesting blog post on DP.)

 

[DaveFagan]

Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

The right is represented by the 1% and the morons that believe that the 1% are going to let that wealth "trickle down" to them. You have to be a moron to believe that. It's always trickle up. Nevertheless, the aforementioned morons, are pretty decent people that just want somebody to do their thinking for them, or present a mind numbing imagery "good guy," "bad guy" or simplified arguments with no complications. You see a great deal of that on this forum. Partisan points of view, uninterrupted by common sense, logic or reason.
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[tres borrachos]

May be because Trump pretends to speak up for Christians? Not sure.

With every fiber of my being I respect everyone's right to practice their religious beliefs, no matter what religion it is. I also am completely opposed to religion having anything at all to do with politics. We have a separation of church and state for a reason.

 

[ElChupacabra]

That personifies the way that lefties think!

mmhmmm.
:doh

 

[OlNate]

I think a more accurate barometer would be where they are economically when they turn 30.

Glad to see drug dealers are finally getting the respect they deserve, good on you, chuckie!

 

[OlNate]

What would you know?



Nope, that's another one of your follies. Still better than that left-wing, corrupt, cellulite crooked Hillary. That was your pick of the litter.

Wow did you ever play yourself with this response.

As a Christian I'd sincerely ask that you stop speaking for Christians.

 

[nota bene]

LOL, oh boy. No, I think it means the left is only looking at 2016, ignoring 2012 and 2008. Trump winning the uneducated vote gives the left a talking point. Another excuse for Hillary's loss. The fact that if one goes back through history, those folks with a HS degree or less are more impressionable. They gravitate to the candidate with the most charisma, the more hip shall I say.

If one takes it back even further, one would find Bill Clinton won the uneducated twice, Bush II won them twice. Bush II wasn't really charismatic or hip, but both Gore and Kerry were statues made of stone compared to him. Reagan won them twice. Ronnie went against a peanut farmer and a stuff shirt in Mondale.

So one could say looking at the numbers that Trump won via the uneducated. Obama was victorious because of the uneducated as was Bush II and Bill Clinton. I've noticed that the uneducated, if that is how one classifies those with just a HS degree or less. They have a habit of voting for the winner. It doesn't matter if the winner is Republican or Democrat. HS degree or less vote for the winner more than the educated college degree types. Perhaps if we want to know how an election will turn out, we should poll the uneducated. They been right almost every time.

Maybe we should.

 

[cuban smokes]

May be because Trump pretends to speak up for Christians? Not sure.

"most importantly I brought my Bible, OK" ............ "if you believe in something you have to be true to yourself" :lamo what a jackass liar ..........

 

[beefheart]

See my previous post to you.

Another lame response.

Doesn't your hypocrisy bother you?