Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?

[Perotista]

Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

How do you define uneducated? It seems the educated are those with a college degree and the uneducated are those with a high school or less. At least that is how the left or Clinton supporters have defined it. Let's look at the vote through several presidential election to see if their right. That the uneducated vote Republican, the educated vote Democratic or as I suspect, it all depends on whom the candidates are.

2016 HS or less went to Trump 51-46, some college went to Trump 51-43 and college grad went to Clinton 49-44

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2012 HS or less went to Obama 52-47, some college to Obama 49-48 and college grad to Romney 51-47

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

So it seems Obama won in 2012 on the uneducated vote as 2012 was the complete opposite of 2016.

2008 HS school or less Obama 54-44, some college Obama 51-47, college grad 50-48

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Although McCain lost all three groups. McCain did his best among college grad, the educate group.

2004 HS or less Bush 51-48, some college Bush 54-46, college grad 52-46

CNN.com Election 2004

Bush won all three groups, but Kerry did his best with the HS School or less, the uneducated group.

What does all of this mean? Perhaps nothing but talking points for one side to bash the other with. It seems in the last four presidential elections, the Democrats won the uneducated twice and lost them twice. Same for the educated college grads. Each party was two for four.

I think it boils down to charisma with the HS or less. Obama had it and he won that group twice. Trump had it and he won that group. Bush, I would say he had it, but he had more charisma than the statue Kerry.

 

[Moderate Right]

How do you define uneducated? It seems the educated are those with a college degree and the uneducated are those with a high school or less. At least that is how the left or Clinton supporters have defined it. Let's look at the vote through several presidential election to see if their right. That the uneducated vote Republican, the educated vote Democratic or as I suspect, it all depends on whom the candidates are.

2016 HS or less went to Trump 51-46, some college went to Trump 51-43 and college grad went to Clinton 49-44

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2012 HS or less went to Obama 52-47, some college to Obama 49-48 and college grad to Romney 51-47

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

So it seems Obama won in 2012 on the uneducated vote as 2012 was the complete opposite of 2016.

2008 HS school or less Obama 54-44, some college Obama 51-47, college grad 50-48

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Although McCain lost all three groups. McCain did his best among college grad, the educate group.

2004 HS or less Bush 51-48, some college Bush 54-46, college grad 52-46

CNN.com Election 2004

Bush won all three groups, but Kerry did his best with the HS School or less, the uneducated group.

What does all of this mean? Perhaps nothing but talking points for one side to bash the other with. It seems in the last four presidential elections, the Democrats won the uneducated twice and lost them twice. Same for the educated college grads. Each party was two for four.

I think it boils down to charisma with the HS or less. Obama had it and he won that group twice. Trump had it and he won that group. Bush, I would say he had it, but he had more charisma than the statue Kerry.

Thanks for the math. Interesting though that your facts show it is about 50/50 and yet the poll results here currently show about 20/80. I wonder if that means the left are more prejudiced than the right are.

 

[celticwar17]

I was an idealistic libertarian like you once. That was until I realized the only effective strategy to bring about a libertarian system of government is through violence, revolution, and subsequent chaos. Libertarians prefer to watch it all burn down so they can start over. Instead, I prefer to keep the current system and improve upon it. Most Americans are reformists anyway, not revolutionaries.

I have a Libertarian lean, I prefer smaller government solutions to problems... I am not technically a "Libertarian"... and I don't advocate anything you mentioned... nor am I a idealist.

You really like to put things in a box don't you xD

Now, do you really not believe all the greatest atrocities and worst failures in humanity were thought up by intellectuals? Are there things you disagree with, like the Iraq War? It was all thought up by brilliant advisers behind the scenes thinking they can fix things. You can apply it to anything....

Knowledge is power, it is not wisdom. Intellectuals can be just as wrong, if not even more horribly wrong than non-intellectuals. Lack of caution to change and personal responsibility is the two weaknesses of the left, and they need others to balance them out.

 

[Perotista]

Thanks for the math. Interesting though that your facts show it is about 50/50 and yet the poll results here currently show about 20/80. I wonder if that means the left are more prejudiced than the right are.

LOL, oh boy. No, I think it means the left is only looking at 2016, ignoring 2012 and 2008. Trump winning the uneducated vote gives the left a talking point. Another excuse for Hillary's loss. The fact that if one goes back through history, those folks with a HS degree or less are more impressionable. They gravitate to the candidate with the most charisma, the more hip shall I say.

If one takes it back even further, one would find Bill Clinton won the uneducated twice, Bush II won them twice. Bush II wasn't really charismatic or hip, but both Gore and Kerry were statues made of stone compared to him. Reagan won them twice. Ronnie went against a peanut farmer and a stuff shirt in Mondale.

So one could say looking at the numbers that Trump won via the uneducated. Obama was victorious because of the uneducated as was Bush II and Bill Clinton. I've noticed that the uneducated, if that is how one classifies those with just a HS degree or less. They have a habit of voting for the winner. It doesn't matter if the winner is Republican or Democrat. HS degree or less vote for the winner more than the educated college degree types. Perhaps if we want to know how an election will turn out, we should poll the uneducated. They been right almost every time.

 

[Logicman]

Even if there are more educated liberals than conservatives, they don't have Godly wisdom to the degree religious conservatives have.

The left's last two Einsteins - Clinton and Obama, were each a full quart low on Godly wisdom.

One turned the White House into his own private bordello, and the other turned America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[beefheart]

Even if there are more educated liberals than conservatives, they don't have Godly wisdom to the degree religious conservatives have.

The left's last two Einsteins - Clinton and Obama, were each a full quart low on Godly wisdom.

One turned the White House into his own private bordello, and the other turned America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.

"godly wisdom" what an oxymoron.

But you seem to turn a blind eye to the guy who likes to cheat on his wife with porn stars, preferably after his wife just had a baby.

 

[SDET]

Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

I would guess about the same.

 

[Xelor]

How do you define uneducated? It seems the educated are those with a college degree and the uneducated are those with a high school or less. At least that is how the left or Clinton supporters have defined it. Let's look at the vote through several presidential election to see if their right. That the uneducated vote Republican, the educated vote Democratic or as I suspect, it all depends on whom the candidates are.

2016 HS or less went to Trump 51-46, some college went to Trump 51-43 and college grad went to Clinton 49-44

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2012 HS or less went to Obama 52-47, some college to Obama 49-48 and college grad to Romney 51-47

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

So it seems Obama won in 2012 on the uneducated vote as 2012 was the complete opposite of 2016.

2008 HS school or less Obama 54-44, some college Obama 51-47, college grad 50-48

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Although McCain lost all three groups. McCain did his best among college grad, the educate group.

2004 HS or less Bush 51-48, some college Bush 54-46, college grad 52-46

CNN.com Election 2004

Bush won all three groups, but Kerry did his best with the HS School or less, the uneducated group.

What does all of this mean? Perhaps nothing but talking points for one side to bash the other with. It seems in the last four presidential elections, the Democrats won the uneducated twice and lost them twice. Same for the educated college grads. Each party was two for four.

I think it boils down to charisma with the HS or less. Obama had it and he won that group twice. Trump had it and he won that group. Bush, I would say he had it, but he had more charisma than the statue Kerry.

How individuals make ballot booth decisions and what drives their preferred approaches to achieving ideological goals are quite different.

• Voting --> I suspect most folks vote based on abductively arrived at conclusions. Intellect, education plays no definitive role in that sort of analysis.
• Ideology --> However existentially specious they be, ideological methodologies derive from some measure of intellectualism, and that requires some measure of education.

As goes the matter of whether the simple bar of having or not having a baccalaureate degree (or higher) defines whether one is educated or not, well, in my experience, the kids who graduated with my own kids (I have four) strike me as very well educated, even though they had no college degree at the time. Indeed, they seemed to me more/better educated than a fair quantity of undergrads whom I'd over the years interviewed at campus recruiting events. I think that kids who genuinely absorb and embrace all of what they're taught in high school, particularly the skills of abstraction and computational thinking, can be quite adequately well-educated; however, I think most kids don't do that. I think that's so even for a good number of the high performing ones who don't attend schools that aim expressly to teach kids how to think abstractly and computationally.

 

[Mensch]

I have a Libertarian lean, I prefer smaller government solutions to problems... I am not technically a "Libertarian"... and I don't advocate anything you mentioned... nor am I a idealist.

You really like to put things in a box don't you xD

Now, do you really not believe all the greatest atrocities and worst failures in humanity were thought up by intellectuals? Are there things you disagree with, like the Iraq War? It was all thought up by brilliant advisers behind the scenes thinking they can fix things. You can apply it to anything....

Knowledge is power, it is not wisdom. Intellectuals can be just as wrong, if not even more horribly wrong than non-intellectuals. Lack of caution to change and personal responsibility is the two weaknesses of the left, and they need others to balance them out.

Sounds like you use the libertarian label when it suits you. FYI, it’s the label you’ve chosen for yourself on your DP profile.

No, I would not single out “intellectuals” as the driving force behind historic mass tragedies and human genocide. Sure, brilliant minds have masterminded horrible acts, but it’s not the ‘brilliance’ to blame for the hate, ignorance, and corruptible influences of powerful men that have ultimately led to such tragedies. When I read your arguments, they remind me of Pol Pot and his hatred for the intellectual elites, who he subsequently had liquidated. Be careful what groups of people YOU put in a box and cast blame for the most evil and most vicious acts man has ever committed.

 

[itsforthekids]

There are millions of uneducated people in the inner cities who only vote democrat. I would venture to say that 75% of democratic voters are uneducated.

 

[Moderate Right]

"godly wisdom" what an oxymoron.

But you seem to turn a blind eye to the guy who likes to cheat on his wife with porn stars, preferably after his wife just had a baby.

Well, to be fair, we don't know that Trump has cheated on his wife at all in at least 10 years. We do know that Bill Clinton walked around the White House with his pants unzipped, not to mention the Governor's mansion.

 

[Moderate Right]

There are millions of uneducated people in the inner cities who only vote democrat. I would venture to say that 75% of democratic voters are uneducated.

That's what I was thinking, not to mention Democrats are constantly pandering to the poor who probably wouldn't be poor if they had a college education. But, evidence does seem to suggest that it is closer to a 50/50 split.

 

[Logicman]

"godly wisdom" what an oxymoron.

What would you know?

But you seem to turn a blind eye to the guy who likes to cheat on his wife with porn stars, preferably after his wife just had a baby.

Nope, that's another one of your follies. Still better than that left-wing, corrupt, cellulite crooked Hillary. That was your pick of the litter.

 

[celticwar17]

Sounds like you use the libertarian label when it suits you. FYI, it’s the label you’ve chosen for yourself on your DP profile.

No, I would not single out “intellectuals” as the driving force behind historic mass tragedies and human genocide. Sure, brilliant minds have masterminded horrible acts, but it’s not the ‘brilliance’ to blame for the hate, ignorance, and corruptible influences of powerful men that have ultimately led to such tragedies. When I read your arguments, they remind me of Pol Pot and his hatred for the intellectual elites, who he subsequently had liquidated. Be careful what groups of people YOU put in a box and cast blame for the most evil and most vicious acts man has ever committed.

Brilliance certainly can be to blame. Because we are not god's we do not know the consequences of our actions in a complicated system like humanity.

And hey, if I take any political quiz... it says I am libertarian.... so it chose me, I didn't reallychoose it. I have read some libertarian philosophy and authors, I like it's principles and think they have value..... but I am not an idealist.

 

[Mizzy22]

That isn't true. Trump's base was middle class Republicans. He brought some new people into the fold, but they weren't responsible for most of the votes.

Why on Earth would anyone not rich vote Republican?

 

[Moderate Right]

Why on Earth would anyone not rich vote Republican?

Lots of reasons. Guns, abortion, tax cut, gay marriage. Not to mention, there are more on the left who don't believe in God and poor people who do are more apt to vote for God. Did that really have to be explained to you?

 

[Mizzy22]

Lots of reasons. Guns, abortion, tax cuts. Not to mention, there are more on the left who don't believe in God and poor people who do are more apt to vote for God. Did that really have to be explained to you?

What office is God running for?

 

[Mensch]

Brilliance certainly can be to blame. Because we are not god's we do not know the consequences of our actions in a complicated system like humanity.

And hey, if I take any political quiz... it says I am libertarian.... so it chose me, I didn't reallychoose it. I have read some libertarian philosophy and authors, I like it's principles and think they have value..... but I am not an idealist.

Your first paragraph is nonsensical and debate filler. You have yet to demonstrate how intellectualism is the root of all evil.

Political quizzes are worthless. Instead, let’s discuss policy prescriptions and how we should pragmatically tackle the issues of the day while ensuring effective results. For starters, I have yet to debate a libertarian who strongly opposes the Civil Rights Act & Voting Rights Act (I know many opppse these laws but few are willing to command a debate to persuade others that we would be better as a society without them). Lew Rockwell’s racist articles in Ron Paul’s newsletter was sort of the beginning of the end of libertarianism for me. Second example: should this country overturn the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act because it is an unfunded mandate and federally unconstitutional? I know Ron Paul’s followers admire the good ol’ days when Catholic Churches took care of those who could not afford to pay their medical bills, but we need to look at today’s healthcare system and decide once and for all if hospitals should be allowed to dump patients or refuse treatment. Hipppcratic Oath aside, should we reserve this right to the hospital groups or continue to protect a patient’s right to immediate medical treatment in the event of an emergency. Those who support the latter choose the slippery slope of progressivism, regardless if they self-identify as a libertarian, democrat, or republican.

 

[cuban smokes]

folks on the right aka conservatives are typically ONLY interested in one thing & that is trying to figure out how they can **** everyone else out of OPM aka 'other people's money'

folks on the left are typically more interested in how they can create better communities & cooperation between differing ethnic & demographic entities

sad BUT true; the right sucks donkey balls & they love money & wars ...............

 

[The Mark]

Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

If anything is the issue, it isn't necessarily lack of education - you can have educated persons who pay as little attention to the issues at hand as someone who left highschool early.

It's some combo of lack of interest, not paying attention, and not trying to look past the establishment's screening hubbub put up by media and commentators.

They often talk about things we shouldn't be caring about, to distract us from those we should.

 

[spud_meister]

Ummm....what now? Can you name even ONE great tragedy caused by an intellectual? From where I'm sitting it is generally religious indoctrination which is the cause of all the greatest tragedies in human history, and it is higher education critical thinking skills that help you un-brainwash yourself.

Stalin was an intellectual...

 

[post]

Lots of reasons. Guns, abortion, tax cut, gay marriage. Not to mention, there are more on the left who don't believe in God and poor people who do are more apt to vote for God. Did that really have to be explained to you?

God is on the ballot? Where? Oh...you are using god and Trump interchangeably!

 

[gulfman]

The liberals are twice as dumb as the conservatives

 

[camlok]

The liberals are twice as dumb as the conservatives

The one line master gives us another brilliant trumpian quote.

 

[camlok]

Lots of reasons. Guns, abortion, tax cut, gay marriage. Not to mention, there are more on the left who don't believe in God and poor people who do are more apt to vote for God. Did that really have to be explained to you?

Surely you aren't calling that messed up syntactic dribble an explanation?