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I tend to place a higher standard on oppression, like the Jewish oppression at the hand of the Nazis, or my great-grandparents under slavery.
If homosexuals can be multi-millionaires, own their own businesses, say what they want, where they want, when they want, among other things, then I don't see that as oppression.
Of course not.
However, they should appreciate the meaning of actual oppression, instead of equating the inability to redefine marriage to being in slavery/being killed by Nazi Germans, etc.
Maybe they aren't trying to redefine marriage, they are just correcting what was wrong in the first place...
Of course not.
However, they should appreciate the meaning of actual oppression, instead of equating the inability to redefine marriage to being in slavery/being killed by Nazi Germans, etc.
Right. Marriage has been wrong for thousands of years. Let's correct the church as well, since it's been wrong for thousands of years as well.
You supplied a definition. Your definition fits gays. That is not the fault of gay people.
And by the way, good job on Godwinning your own thread.
1.Keep (someone) in subservience and hardship, esp. by the unjust exercise of authority.
2.Cause (someone) to feel distressed, anxious, or uncomfortable: "he was oppressed by worry".
Are those things currently happening? I don't believe I see my cousin being jailed, but that he's going to Wisconsin University. Nor do I see homosexuals being taken to mental hospitals.
Also, is "hate crime/hate" being misused? Last I checked believing homosexuality itself was a sin for religious reasons is neither hate nor hate crime.
Is Ellen Degeneres oppressed? How about Elton John?
I wouldn't use the word "opressed." Seems too harsh. But without a doubt, gays in the US are considered second class citizens for the most part.
It's not really a yes or no question. I've been to places where it would be a definite yes, I've also been places where nobody cares, but they'd rather not know, and yet other places where gays can be open about it without fear of repercussion. Surprisingly enough, parts of California are some of the worse places for gays to live.Currently, do you think homosexuals are oppressed in America?
Homosexuals are not placed in subservience or hardship by an unjust exercise of authority.
Definition #2 would mean that pretty much anyone is oppressed, because they fee distressed/anxious/unconfortable about something that slights them.
You should probably look up the definition of "Godwin's Law." We're actually talking about oppression; Nazi Germany is a great example of actual oppression, as well as American slavery.
I somewhat agree... certainly there are pockets of America where gays are seen as second class citizens. Some in the media and prominent on the Cable shows see gays struggle as on par with the civil rights struggle.
Blacks and gays: The shared struggle for civil rights - PostPartisan - The Washington Post
How many "straight only" water fountains are there? Where are gays told to sit in the back of the bus? Are gay rally's bringing out the police and fire departments and turning the dogs on them? How about the fire hoses? No, the LBGT community has it much easier than blacks during the Civil Rights movement. I, as a 1st generation born white German/Romanian male mutt am even offended that some would put LBGT on the same level as 1960's civil rights movement.
However, they should appreciate the meaning of actual oppression, instead of equating the inability to redefine marriage to being in slavery/being killed by Nazi Germans, etc.
Are homosexuals forced into slavery, not allowed to speak, could be killed at a whim, killed in gas chambers, not allowed to own property, or enter/leave the country?
Why is marriage such an aspect of oppression? Why is it that if you can't redefine marriage, you're suddenly oppressed?
And even then, there are states in America that allow gay marriage.
Imn some states gays cannot adopt, in most states gays cannot marry. Gays are still the victim of losing houses and jobs due to their orientation
The way gays are treated by society makes them much more subject to distress/anxiety/discomfort than average.
(3) Nazi germany is hardly the only example of oppression.
(1) I'll reiterate my stance again: I believe gays should have the right to adopt. I neither oppose nor support gay marriage, though personally I don't think marriage should be redefined. I don't think orientation should be a factor in losing houses/jobs/etc.
(2) I disagree. There are places like New York that embrace the sin of homosexuality with open arms. There are numerous things that gays are able to have. Iirc, some colleges offer college grants simply for being gay. That's not oppression. If you're allowed to vote, own businesses, own TV shows, etc, you're not oppressed. Do you think all groups are oppressed, save the straight, white, male Christian?
(3)Yet Nazi Germany is a prime, direct example of oppression. Should Nazi Germany never be used in discussions, no matter how critical?
(1) I'll reiterate my stance again: I believe gays should have the right to adopt. I neither oppose nor support gay marriage, though personally I don't think marriage should be redefined. I don't think orientation should be a factor in losing houses/jobs/etc.
(2) I disagree. There are places like New York that embrace the sin of homosexuality with open arms. There are numerous things that gays are able to have. Iirc, some colleges offer college grants simply for being gay. That's not oppression. If you're allowed to vote, own businesses, own TV shows, etc, you're not oppressed. Do you think all groups are oppressed, save the straight, white, male Christian?
(3)Yet Nazi Germany is a prime, direct example of oppression. Should Nazi Germany never be used in discussions, no matter how critical?
I tend to place a higher standard on oppression, like the Jewish oppression at the hand of the Nazis, or my great-grandparents under slavery.
If homosexuals can be multi-millionaires, own their own businesses, say what they want, where they want, when they want, among other things, then I don't see that as oppression.
2.Cause (someone) to feel distressed, anxious, or uncomfortable: "he was oppressed by worry".
3)Yet Nazi Germany is a prime, direct example of oppression. Should Nazi Germany never be used in discussions, no matter how critical?
I disagree. There are places like New York that embrace the sin of homosexuality with open arms.
But then definition #2 could be applied to pretty much anyone in America, including Christians, given any plausible reason.
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