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Apes descended from Humans – NOT the other way around.

roughdraft274 said:
If you actually go to a biology class no one says man evolved from apes. We share a common ancestor. This article only shows that the common ancestor was a little more human like that we thought. It in no way gives credence to the idea that man was created and species evolved from him.
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Timeline is wrong. I see scientist saying 2 different things here
 
roughdraft274 said:
What are they saying that is going against each other? What timelines are wrong?
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Australopithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is widely held by archaeologists and palaeontologists that the australopiths played a significant part in human evolution, and it was one of the australopith species that eventually evolved into the Homo genus in Africa around 2 million years ago, which contained within it species like Homo habilis, H. ergaster and eventually the modern human species, H. sapiens sapiens.[1]

Apes descended from Humans
Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
 
ptif219 said:
Australopithecus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is widely held by archaeologists and palaeontologists that the australopiths played a significant part in human evolution, and it was one of the australopith species that eventually evolved into the Homo genus in Africa around 2 million years ago, which contained within it species like Homo habilis, H. ergaster and eventually the modern human species, H. sapiens sapiens.[1]

Apes descended from Humans
Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
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I'm sorry, don't understand the problem here. One of them, "ardi" was 4.4 million years ago and is very closely related to the common ancestor we share with the great apes. Your first link, with "Australopithecus" was from 2 million years ago but has nothing to do with Ardi. It was after Ardi. It was simply another ancestor that came after Ardi. If they were both claimed to be the "missing link" you would have a point but they aren't. One is an ancestor from 2 million years ago and one is an ancestor from 4.4 million years ago.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm sorry, don't understand the problem here. One of them, "ardi" was 4.4 million years ago and is very closely related to the common ancestor we share with the great apes. Your first link, with "Australopithecus" was from 2 million years ago but has nothing to do with Ardi. It was after Ardi. It was simply another ancestor that came after Ardi. If they were both claimed to be the "missing link" you would have a point but they aren't. One is an ancestor from 2 million years ago and one is an ancestor from 4.4 million years ago.
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Ardi that descended from man is before man descended and you see no problem?
 
ptif219 said:
Ardi that descended from man is before man descended and you see no problem?
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Where did anyone say that Ardi was descended from man?

From your original source:
"Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes."
 
How come when science doesn't reach a consensus, it proves science wrong, but when religion doesn't reach a consensus, it doesn't prove it wrong?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Where did anyone say that Ardi was descended from man?

From your original source:
"Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes."
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Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.

That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.

Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.

The 4-foot, 110-pound female’s skeleton and physiological characteristics bear a closer resemblance to modern-day humans than to contemporary apes, meaning they evolved from human-like creatures – not the other way around.
 
ptif219 said:
Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.

That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.

Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.

The 4-foot, 110-pound female’s skeleton and physiological characteristics bear a closer resemblance to modern-day humans than to contemporary apes, meaning they evolved from human-like creatures – not the other way around.
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This has been explained on this thread numerous times. Apes did not evolve from humans and that isn't what this paper is saying. All it says is that our common ancestor was more human like than previously thought. We used to think the common ancestor would probably walk like an ape, not very upright, with knuckles on the ground. Now this shows that most likely the common ancestor walked mostly upright or at least could walk upright and that apes that evolved from this common ancestor started walking like they currently do. The paper is very clear in this regard. This paper is not saying in any way that humans were actually around 4.4 million years ago and one day ardi popped out of a humans belly.
 
ptif219 said:
Wrong thread
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:shrug: Just an observation, but onto the OP:

Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
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This fossil is still after the evolutionary branch, so it does nothing to bring into contest the accepted theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor, all it does is give strength to the theory apes continued to evolve after humans found their niche.
 
ptif219 said:
Ardi that descended from man is before man descended and you see no problem?
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I see that you don't understand what you are sounding off about. There is no problem, except your misperception.
 
roughdraft274 said:
This has been explained on this thread numerous times. Apes did not evolve from humans and that isn't what this paper is saying. All it says is that our common ancestor was more human like than previously thought. We used to think the common ancestor would probably walk like an ape, not very upright, with knuckles on the ground. Now this shows that most likely the common ancestor walked mostly upright or at least could walk upright and that apes that evolved from this common ancestor started walking like they currently do. The paper is very clear in this regard. This paper is not saying in any way that humans were actually around 4.4 million years ago and one day ardi popped out of a humans belly.
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So the ape like thing is wrong. Big surprise. The time line is now all screwed up.
 
spud_meister said:
:shrug: Just an observation, but onto the OP:



This fossil is still after the evolutionary branch, so it does nothing to bring into contest the accepted theory that humans and apes shared a common ancestor, all it does is give strength to the theory apes continued to evolve after humans found their niche.
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Which time line do we use?
 
Manc Skipper said:
I see that you don't understand what you are sounding off about. There is no problem, except your misperception.
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Yes there is but you will not admit it. This throws evolution into a time warp. What timeline is correct?
 
ptif219 said:
the timelines are off. Another words evolution is now based on guesses and opinions
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Do you find anything wrong with this simplified timeline or is there any point that you think I've misrepresented in it? What exactly is the problem with this timeline. I've doodled it out just to make discussing it easier for both of us.untitled.webp
 
roughdraft274 said:
Do you find anything wrong with this simplified timeline or is there any point that you think I've misrepresented in it? What exactly is the problem with this timeline. I've doodled it out just to make discussing it easier for both of us.View attachment 67114112
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Explain apes human like 2 million years before humans.
 
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