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Anything You Want Me To Ask OWS?

Yes. I have one:



(Factoids paraphrased from an editorial written by Charley Reese many years ago.)

Hell, they ought to adopt a rendition of that as their platform.

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First of all, you should source your stuff there MaggieD.

Second of all, this is a biased journal...

Charley Reese (born January 29, 1937) is a syndicated columnist known for his anti-Isreal[1][2][3] and conservative views.

Charley Reese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

Case and point he is using a logical fallacy to promote his conservative cause. This is wrong, we elect these officials to make the policies we want them to. If you don't like the official, don't vote for them. I will admit that PAST CONGRESSES are to blame because they are the ones who made it so big banks could do what ever the hell they wanted to as long as it made them a buck at the end of the day. So, in part, congress is to blame, but don't leave out the people that took advantage of the regulation and filled the politicians with so many kickbacks they couldn't say no...
 
First of all, you should source your stuff there MaggieD.
Thanks, I added it.

Second of all, this is a biased journal...

Charley Reese (born January 29, 1937) is a syndicated columnist known for his anti-Isreal[1][2][3] and conservative views.

Case and point he is using a logical fallacy to promote his conservative cause. This is wrong, we elect these officials to make the policies we want them to. If you don't like the official, don't vote for them. I will admit that PAST CONGRESSES are to blame because they are the ones who made it so big banks could do what ever the hell they wanted to as long as it made them a buck at the end of the day. So, in part, congress is to blame, but don't leave out the people that took advantage of the regulation and filled the politicians with so many kickbacks they couldn't say no...


There is nothing partisan about this piece at all. The only one being partisan is you. He blames every Republican, Democrat, Independent, Yada Yada, among these people. Your last bolded statement? :rofl
 
Thanks, I added it.

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There is nothing partisan about this piece at all. The only one being partisan is you. He blames every Republican, Democrat, Independent, Yada Yada, among these people. Your last bolded statement? :rofl

You don't find it funny that out of all the things to criticize the members of Congress about, he chooses one person who blamed Reagan for deficit spending? In fairness, it is well documented that Reagan is off limits. This guy also somehow left off a number of corporate scandals that have taken place in recent years as well, which have also had a major effect on our economy. Oh well.
 
I would ask them:

What is your political ideology?

Who do you plan on voting for/what party (if any) do you support?

Do you see government causing the problems/things you are protesting?

What solutions do you propose be implemented?
 
If the point of the movement is to rail against the 1%, then what is the point of shutting down the subways which the 99% mainly use?

How is prohibiting people from leaving a building or driving down the street helping your cause?
 
I'll be visiting the OWS movement in my area in about five or six hours from now.

I will be asking questions, gathering information, and conveying my personal perspective.

Is there anything in particular you want me to ask or convey to them?

"Now that there's been confirmation that neutrinos can travel faster than light, explain, in 5000 words or more, how this will alter our understanding of the universe."
 
Ask them what they think about the rectum as a (w)hole?

or

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?


Seriously, ask them for specific solutions. What is the specific end game? Anyone can bitch about a problem, how would they fix the problems?
 
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I'll be visiting the OWS movement in my area in about five or six hours from now.

I will be asking questions, gathering information, and conveying my personal perspective.

Is there anything in particular you want me to ask or convey to them?

Are you going to record it on your phone or anything?
 
If a hen and a half lays an egg and a half in a day and a half, how many eggs will one hen lay in a week?
 
4? Unless you can have 2/3 of an egg. By the first part, it takes a chicken 1.5 days to lay an egg. 7/3/2 = 14/3 = 4 & 2/3.
 
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You, sir, are incorrect.

(Hint: do the algebra)

**** algebra, it's 7.

You asked how many eggs a hen lays in a week. If one and a half hens lays one and a half eggs in one and a half day, then one hen would lay one egg in one day. So it's 7.
 
If one and a half hens lays one and a half eggs in one and a half day, then one hen would lay one egg in one day.

Incorrect. One hen would lay one egg in a day and a half. The amount of time it takes to lay the eggs doesn't change when you remove the half chicken from the equation.

See whysoserious' explanation if you want the correct answer.
 
Okay .. I feel like a frickin' spy ...

I arrived at the demonstration site during which time their website's calendar said they'd be there .. and no one was there. I waited awhile, but by midway through the time they should have been there, no one showed, so I left.

Later in the evening I visited their camp. They were there. I looked at their "information" table, but there were no handouts for me to take. I walked further, to the corner of the street (they were camped on one corner of a fairly busy intersection on the edge of the city hall grass). There a man came up to me and introduced himself.

I asked about the action, and he said that was Thursday (though even today the website still says it was scheduled for yesterday, Friday).

He began to tell me all about the reason they were there. To sum it up, it's all about bad corporate behavior, from the securities frauds and banks not using their bailout and charging excessive transaction fees through health care insurance company everythings to off-shoring ... if you could imagine anything a corporation could do that would end up harming individuals, that's what it's all about.

He then gave me some literature and we talked some more.

Then I went to the orientation that was underway. A woman was talking to a couple of new people and I sat down with them. They all introduced themselves. The woman, a speech therapist who had once done quite well financially, was presenting the hand signals used to convey approval, disapproval, wrap it up, point of clarification, etc. during general assemblies. She said it was to keep verbal interruptions and noise interruptions of who was speaking to a minimum. Even applause is replaced by "spirit fingers", just to keep noise distractions down.

After orientation, which was orientation to behavior in general assembly meetings, they had a general assembly. I sat through it for about an hour. A leader (not sure his title, they all have titles designating their assigned responsibilities at the camp) directed the format. It was mostly about mundane camp management tactics and mechanics. A presentation by each titled person responsible for each element of their "city" gave a presentation. This included those in charge of actions, and they presented the action for the next day, and how to work well with the police and site security people.

I left before the meeting finished, as it was cold .. and quite frankly I'm bored by admin.

I did talk with a number of people prior to the general assembly. They come from all over the personal appearance and philosophy map, and it's clear that not everyone there would approve of every measure of the "99 Percent Declaration" handout they gave me.

I didn't see anyone who was stereotypically '60s hippie or the like. Most looked and spoke fairly average. What did stand out was that they were dressed in very casual keep-warm clothing, and I couldn't really tell who was wearing somewhat raggish clothes because that kept them warm and absorbed the dirt of camping well or who was just really poor and out of work.

Some people I spoke with were still working, had tried to change careers, but did so late in life and no company would hire them.

A number still had jobs, and one titled person who spoke had been gone for awhile due to job and family responsibilities.

Not once did anyone mention "socialism" or "left wing" this or that. However, at one point in listening to the first man he said that both the right and left are bought and paid for in Washington by corporate money, and he added that one is completely bought and the other is almost completely bought. He didn't say which was "almost" completely bought, but I would assume he meant the left.

I told him my main concern that affects my small business more than anything is the off-shoring and in-sourcing, and I alluded to the rogue elephants of capitalism, that a number had taken things to extremes in this regard and they needed to be reigned in. His response was that they all do it, and that there are far too many of them to single them out, and that it's simply the nature of the corporate construct to behave badly toward individuals, workers and consumers, in the name of greed.

So it's clear that they see the matter as we pretty much figured, that it's corporations-politicians vs workers-consumers, and the corporations-politicians must change in the name of fairness.

Again, I was given two handouts.

One was a basic one-page "What is Occupy". It answered that question, presented why you should care, how America is oppressive (merely alluding to an incident of police brutality during a demo), and what you can do (write your rep, join an Occupy committe, info about the website and when the next action was).

I had asked a few what they thought needed to be done. They really didn't know. The first man said we are unorganized, merely following website guidelines that tells about national Occupy and how to set up and manage a tent city and do actions and stay connected. But he also said that so many people had asked about "what do we actually do about the problems" that they're forming an Occupy brain-storming committe to discuss the how to's.

However, their second handout, The 99 Percent Declaration" made it very clear that the 99% people (whom I thought were fairly close to being one and the same with the Occupy people or so closely affiliated there might as well be a one-to-one membership alliance between the two) most certainlly have a plan of action.

The 99 Percent Declaration presents their plan to create a National General Assembly of the 99% comprised of two (elected) delegates from each congressional district -- one male and one female -- to meet on 7/4/12 in Philadelphia. They will create a redress of grievances to represent the desires of all of the 99% "party"? to be submitted to Congress, The President, and the Supreme Court.

As to the content of the redress of grievances, the handout contained those suggested by the working group, which are:
Elimination of the corporate state.
Rejection of the Citizens United Case
Elimination of Private Contributions to Politicians (can't also be employed by a company while serving in office, no corporate funding of campaigns ...)
Effect Term Limits
Enact a fair tax code
Healthcare for all
Protection for the planet (anti-pollution)
National Debt Reduction
Jobs for all American (including some goernment jobs programs like WPA and CCC)
Student Loan Forgiveness
Immigration reform, including passage of the DREAM Act (and other amnesty type things)
Ending the perpetual war for profit
Reforming public education
Ending Outsourcing
End currency manipulation
Banking and securities reform
Foreclosure moratorium
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank
Abolish the electoral college
End the war in Afghanistan

Each of these points had a paragraph that went into a little bit of detail.

Clearly this is mostly a left-leaning proposal with just a few centrist points (ending outsourcing). In actual function it would add support for Obama and Dems running for Congress.

I guess I wasn't too surprised by anything, except for how normal most of the people were -- no radicals behaving radically.

It's really all about a strong reaction to being burned in some way by corporations, corporations that simply aren't responsible to the people like our government is supposed to be.

However, their points on immigration reform and the like indicate that they sometimes don't see some of the problems that contribute to their plight, and that they're mostly a left-wing reaction.

I ended up wondering if their presentation of left-wing was the same as representing the American underdog.
 
Elimination of the corporate state.
Rejection of the Citizens United Case
Elimination of Private Contributions to Politicians (can't also be employed by a company while serving in office, no corporate funding of campaigns ...)
Effect Term Limits
Enact a fair tax code
Healthcare for all
Protection for the planet (anti-pollution)
National Debt Reduction
Jobs for all American (including some goernment jobs programs like WPA and CCC)
Student Loan Forgiveness
Immigration reform, including passage of the DREAM Act (and other amnesty type things)
Ending the perpetual war for profit
Reforming public education
Ending Outsourcing
End currency manipulation
Banking and securities reform
Foreclosure moratorium
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank
Abolish the electoral college
End the war in Afghanistan



..it saddens me that many of these goals are part of the Progressive Congressional Caucus' party platform, and yet OWS refuses to ever mention the PCC. :(
 
Okay .. I feel like a frickin' spy ...

I arrived at the demonstration site during which time their website's calendar said they'd be there .. and no one was there. I waited awhile, but by midway through the time they should have been there, no one showed, so I left.

....I ended up wondering if their presentation of left-wing was the same as representing the American underdog.

Well, first, job well done! This took a lot of time to put together. Thank you.

Now...I was with ya' 'til you said this:

In actual function it would add support for Obama and Dems running for Congress.

Elimination of the corporate state. Neither party supports this.
Rejection of the Citizens United Case Neither party supports this.
Elimination of Private Contributions to Politicians (can't also be employed by a company while serving in office, no corporate funding of campaigns ...) Neither party supports this.
Effect Term Limits Neither party supports this.
Enact a fair tax code Neither party supports this.
Healthcare for all This one I'll give ya'.
Protection for the planet (anti-pollution) This one I'll give ya.
National Debt Reduction Neither party supports this.
Jobs for all American (including some goernment jobs programs like WPA and CCC)Neither party supports this.
Student Loan Forgiveness Neither party better NOT support this. Ha!
Immigration reform, including passage of the DREAM Act (and other amnesty type things) Both parties support reform.
Ending the perpetual war for profit While both sides would say they support this, it's meaningless.
Reforming public education If any party is against reforming public education in any meaningful way, it's Dems.
Ending Outsourcing Neither party supports this.
End currency manipulation Neither party supports this.
Banking and securities reform Since it's largely a Democratic that didn't bring about reform when they have the opportunity, I don't see how this would ever benefit Dems.
Foreclosure moratorium Neither party supports this.
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank Neither party supports this.
Abolish the electoral college Neither party supports this.
End the war in Afghanistan Both parties support this.

Having disagreed with you on this particular take, I still can't thank you enough for your thoughtful post.
 
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Having disagreed with you on this particular take, I still can't thank you enough for your thoughtful post.
You're welcome -- it had been awhile since I did a little undercover work.

As to my take on their likely voting behavior .. when I imagine that they come to the polls without candidates of their own, having to choose between the lesser of two evils, my gut also just tells me most of them will end up feeling pretty blue about it. ;)
 
yes, please ask them to FOCUS a bit. develop a platform.

I think that could be the worst things they could do. Right now, they plausible deniability, because no one can point to once central orginization.
 
Elimination of the corporate state.
Rejection of the Citizens United Case
Elimination of Private Contributions to Politicians (can't also be employed by a company while serving in office, no corporate funding of campaigns ...)
Effect Term Limits
Enact a fair tax code
Healthcare for all
Protection for the planet (anti-pollution)
National Debt Reduction
Jobs for all American (including some goernment jobs programs like WPA and CCC)
Student Loan Forgiveness
Immigration reform, including passage of the DREAM Act (and other amnesty type things)
Ending the perpetual war for profit
Reforming public education
Ending Outsourcing
End currency manipulation
Banking and securities reform
Foreclosure moratorium
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank
Abolish the electoral college
End the war in Afghanistan

And, explain to us why the Libbos always try to convince us that these clowns aren't a buncha nut-job Libbos?
 
Elimination of the corporate state.
Rejection of the Citizens United Case
Elimination of Private Contributions to Politicians (can't also be employed by a company while serving in office, no corporate funding of campaigns ...)
Effect Term Limits
Enact a fair tax code
Healthcare for all
Protection for the planet (anti-pollution)
National Debt Reduction
Jobs for all American (including some goernment jobs programs like WPA and CCC)
Student Loan Forgiveness
Immigration reform, including passage of the DREAM Act (and other amnesty type things)
Ending the perpetual war for profit
Reforming public education
Ending Outsourcing
End currency manipulation
Banking and securities reform
Foreclosure moratorium
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank
Abolish the electoral college
End the war in Afghanistan



..it saddens me that many of these goals are part of the Progressive Congressional Caucus' party platform, and yet OWS refuses to ever mention the PCC. :(

You must have missed the part where they said they felt that both parties were bought out by the corporations...
 
You're welcome -- it had been awhile since I did a little undercover work.

As to my take on their likely voting behavior .. when I imagine that they come to the polls without candidates of their own, having to choose between the lesser of two evils, my gut also just tells me most of them will end up feeling pretty blue about it. ;)

To be honest, I don't think many of these people are going to vote, unless by some miracle we/they are presented with better options. I would prefer they show up to vote "no confidence" just to send a message, and I mentioned that when I went to an OWS thing...but who knows if the idea will catch.
 
..it saddens me that many of these goals are part of the Progressive Congressional Caucus' party platform, and yet OWS refuses to ever mention the PCC. :(

It's because Liberal/Progressive have become dirty words. Ever since the occu-tardation began, we've been told that they not the Left wing Libbo hacks that they appear to be. The tactic hasn't worked, however.
 
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