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To take care of your wife and kid, you deal with it, at least until you find something better. I had jobs when I was younger that I hated, and were physically brutal. I worked it because that's all I could get at the time, and bills must be paid, the baby must be fed. I guess it's a generational thing. I could never entertain the idea of food stamps or unemployment while I was able to work. My son practically brags about it. He has one of those cards that took the place of food stamps. No shame at all. I don't get it.
ooh, thank you sir deltoid, great poll idea came out of reading that
 
There's one (or two) in every family. My wife's brother is one. My sister is another. Smart and capable, but selfish. This is the me generation. Do what you want, be happy.

Well, like the grasshopper that never prepared for winter in that old cartoon (am I dating myself?), those folks are gonna be sorry. While it may suck that my taxes will support them...at the end of the day, I'm the one that gets to drive a 500hp sports car, and I'm the one that gets to buy a nicer house.
Agree 100%. You and I are from a different time. Schools, TV, everything has changed, and with social media is thrown in the mix, it's like I want what I want when I want it. You're right. We are the captain of our ship. If we want to eat, we work. If we want something nice, we work. If we want it even nicer, we work even harder. I think that work ethic is lost now.
 
Agree 100%. You and I are from a different time. Schools, TV, everything has changed, and with social media is thrown in the mix, it's like I want what I want when I want it. You're right. We are the captain of our ship. If we want to eat, we work. If we want something nice, we work. If we want it even nicer, we work even harder. I think that work ethic is lost now.
I think its less to do with work ethic, and more to do with complete self absorption, and lack of foresight.

Another family example, my wife's cousin. He's a little younger than us, but gotta be 33,34 or so, now. Smart guy. And a hard worker. But he has no plans for his future. He travels, does work wherever he's staying at the time. A real rolling stone. He was, last I heard, working at a ski resort somewhere in the north west. I can't begrudge him his experiences, I've little doubt they're extraordinary.

But he's not going to be young forever. No wife, no kids. No career. And his rolling stone lifestyle isn't gonna pan out when he's 50, 55, 60. No house, no 401k, no retirement, nothing.

There's an entire generation of kids coming up now who are going to be in the same boat. Some due to their own personal choices, and some due to factors outside their control. Its gonna be a major problem.
 
To take care of your wife and kid, you deal with it, at least until you find something better. I had jobs when I was younger that I hated, and were physically brutal. I worked it because that's all I could get at the time, and bills must be paid, the baby must be fed. I guess it's a generational thing. I could never entertain the idea of food stamps or unemployment while I was able to work. My son practically brags about it. He has one of those cards that took the place of food stamps. No shame at all. I don't get it.
There has been no shame after voting for Trump, twice. I don't get it.

OTOH, I have some experience with what you are going through with your son and I hope he finds his way to a life in which he is able to meet all of his responsibilities and satisfy your hopes for his and your grandchild's future. My son is approaching 40 and was a much bigger eff-up than it sounds like yours has been, so far, except the fathering component. He's benefited from as much good luck as the bad luck and poor decisions that got him arrested more time than I can count on two hands. One example was he was facing a repeat drug possession court hearing when a bomb scare sent those in the court across the street to await the "all clear". He got into a "what are you in for" conversation with someone near him and after explaining what his hearing was about, the person who he was talking to told him he was involved in the case and after reviewing it, if it was as my son claimed, would ask the judge to dismiss it.

Another was a mistaken home invasion in a nearby state. After dropping off his overnight bag at a weekend rental with friends, they went to a nearby bar, ducking in and out to smoke what your son smokes. After too many shots, he left in the pouring rain on a bicycle he saw as he exited. He arrived back at what he thought was the rental, soaking wet, went through the unlocked door, emptied his pocket contents on the bathroom sink, hung up his wet clothes over the tub, and crashed on the living room couch. He awoke at 7:00 am to police pointing a gun in his face, one officer remarked that if this was his house, "I would have shot you". He was charged with invading and trespassing in the wrong house... couple with young children were upstairs. His mother happened to be a cousin of a prominent former prosecutor who contacted his friend, a recent attorney general of the state willing to call in a favor. The result was a high, four figure expense and charges reduced to appropriate (after reduction to simple trespassing) community service.

I'm convinced minorities don't enjoy as frequently the breaks my son has benefited so greatly from, also greatly helped by recent legislation in several states to encourage expungement of marijuana possession arrest records.

My son, aside from competing bouts of bad and good luck and an attitude that the world owed him a living, did take my advice to earn a college degree. It took him nine years to earn a teaching certificate, student teaching in inner city schools as part of a plan to later take advantage of tuition forgiveness of inner city school teachers in designated areas. He also had to get the record of every arrest expunged, mostly, simple possession, (his home burglary arrest record was as a juvenile and is sealed) in at least four states, then passing an FCP check. He accomplished all of that and has been teaching in inner city schools for six years. The lowish pay influences him to work summers and currently as a gig worker, he assembled IKEA furniture for a Task Rabbit client near his school, after classes on Friday, earning $165 for 4-1/2 hours work.

He wants "only the best" and bought a six year old, 80,000 miles from new, luxury badged suv earlier this month. Last month, I purchased
a new, "middle class level" suv with a 60,000 mile new car warranty for $8,000 more than my son paid. He then sold his 12 year old luxury badged suv with 225,000 miles for $4,500 to a Russian immigrant, used car exporter to a former Soviet satellite state.

My point is, do not abandon hope. Our kids are definitely different than we were, I kept reminding my son I had fun but was never arrested once because my neck ached from looking over my shoulder. Your son will surprise you more favorably as time goes by!
 
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What forms did they want you to sign? The releases would’ve explained exactly what they were looking into
Nope. they didn't explain. That was the problem. There were no parameters, nothing. the release said nothing other than "among other things." Thanks!!
 
To take care of your wife and kid, you deal with it, at least until you find something better. I had jobs when I was younger that I hated, and were physically brutal. I worked it because that's all I could get at the time, and bills must be paid, the baby must be fed. I guess it's a generational thing. I could never entertain the idea of food stamps or unemployment while I was able to work. My son practically brags about it. He has one of those cards that took the place of food stamps. No shame at all. I don't get it.

Couldn't agree more. But my statement wasn't predicted upon any personal parameters.
 
There has been no shame after voting for Trump, twice. I don't get it.

OTOH, I have some experience with what you are going through with your son and I hope he finds his way to a life in which he is able to meet all of his responsibilities and satisfy your hopes for his and your grandchild's future. My son is approaching 40 and was a much bigger eff-up than it sounds like yours has been, so far, except the fathering component. He's benefited from as much good luck as the bad luck and poor decisions that got him arrested more time than I can count on two hands. One example was he was facing a repeat drug possession court hearing when a bomb scare sent those in the court across the street to await the "all clear". He got into a "what are you in for" conversation with someone near him and after explaining what his hearing was about, the person who he was talking to told him he was involved in the case and after reviewing it, if it was as my son claimed, would ask the judge to dismiss it.

Another was a mistaken home invasion in a nearby state. After dropping off his overnight bag at a weekend rental with friends, they went to a nearby bar, ducking in and out to smoke what your son smokes. After too many shots, he left in the pouring rain on a bicycle he saw as he exited. He arrived back at what he thought was the rental, soaking wet, went through the unlocked door, emptied his pocket contents on the bathroom sink, hung up his wet clothes over the tub, and crashed on the living room couch. He awoke at 7:00 am to police pointing a gun in his face, one officer remarked that if this was his house, "I would have shot you". He was charged with invading and trespassing in the wrong house... couple with young children were upstairs. His mother happened to be a cousin of a prominent former prosecutor who contacted his friend, a recent attorney general of the state willing to call in a favor. The result was a high, four figure expense and charges reduced to appropriate (after reduction to simple trespassing) community service.

I'm convinced minorities don't enjoy as frequently the breaks my son has benefited so greatly from, also greatly helped by recent legislation in several states to encourage expungement of marijuana possession arrest records.

My son, aside from competing bouts of bad and good luck and an attitude that the world owed him a living, did take my advice to earn a college degree. It took him nine years to earn a teaching certificate, student teaching in inner city schools as part of a plan to later take advantage of tuition forgiveness of inner city school teachers in designated areas. He also had to get the record of every arrest expunged, mostly, simple possession, (his home burglary arrest record was as a juvenile and is sealed) in at least four states, then passing an FCP check. He accomplished all of that and has been teaching in inner city schools for six years. The lowish pay influences him to work summers and currently as a gig worker, he assembled IKEA furniture for a Task Rabbit client near his school, after classes on Friday, earning $165 for 4-1/2 hours work.

He wants "only the best" and bought a six year old, 80,000 miles from new, luxury badged suv earlier this month. Last month, I purchased
a new, "middle class level" suv with a 60,000 mile new car warranty for $8,000 more than my son paid. He then sold his 12 year old luxury badged suv with 225,000 miles for $4,500 to a Russian immigrant, used car exporter to a former Soviet satellite state.

My point is, do not abandon hope. Our kids are definitely different than we were, I kept reminding my son I had fun but was never arrested once because my neck ached from looking over my shoulder. Your son will surprise you more favorably as time goes by!

Wow, this post brought a tear to my eye. You're a helluva' father, Post. A helluva' man. You've got my respect here, buddy. In spades!
 
Since your "christian" standard-bearer is a serial liar con-man who pays off sex targets to hush up his hook-ups, this comment is kinda silly. And since your media standard-bearer has to plead in court that no rational person could plausibly believe his commentary is based on reality rather than for entertainment purposes only ... is there anything at all behind your worldview, or does it just have an existence of its own independent of the reality us humans inhabit?
Have a nice vacation.
 
More proof people don't want to go back to work until the Trumpists are vaccinated.
People are still dying.... and people are aware and concerned.

quote

Father of 5 dies from COVID-19 after refusing to get vaccine​

By Taryn Asher and David Komer online producer
Published 2 days ago
Coronavirus Vaccine
FOX 2 Detroit

A Lincoln Park family is grieving the loss of a father of five from COVID-19. He and his wife refused the vaccine, now she is sharing the story to convince others to get it.

"He said he never wanted his children to go through what he went through in life - he wanted his kids to have the best of everything," said his wife, Hollie Rivers.
Antwone Rivers was a doting father of five who had it tough growing up in foster care, facing years of abuse and neglect. His wife Hollie says he overcame his obstacles - becoming a success in school and in his career., earning the position of manager at Precision Vehicle Logistics in Wayne.
"He went to work every day even on the weekends, on vacations he worked," she said.
Which is why everyone was shocked when he called in sick in April. That was when Antwone and Hollie learned they tested positive for COVID-19.

"I know that it was like a week into us having Covid he started feeling worse and I started feeling better," she said.

The 39-year-old, who had no underlying conditions felt so sick, Hollie rushed him to the hospital. That would be the last conversation she would have with the love of her life.
Doctors eventually put Antwon on a ventilator, but Hollie says every organ in her husband's body, except his liver, began to shut down.

On May 13, Antwone lost his month-long battle to covid.

"Hard - but it is even harder for our children," Hollie said. "Our oldest, she is 13, and she is sadder for the younger two because they are 3 and 1. And she's sadder they won't have the memories the other children will have."
Hollie says both took Covid seriously, wearing a mask and social distancing, but didn't feel comfortable getting the vaccine. It is a decision Hollie now regrets.

"It was funny because two weeks prior to this happening - we were talking about it more saying maybe we should get vaccinated and now it's like, a big loss for everybody."

end quote

I've worked throughout the Pandemic, even though we could work from home, I still went into the office. Mask and followed all Medical Advice, including the fact I bought a UV light for my Office. I could keep my door closed and we did not have to see any public visitors, meetings were done by Zoom, and the building was only at 25% or so capacity, as everyone who could worked from home. I got my vaccine early Feb, and second shot early march. Have been promoting that family members get vaccinated. I send out info on the Virus to Employees.

Back when COVID first began to spread and Mask were difficult to find, I went to a beauty shop, which had some because beauticians do at time wear them with they are doing certain hair treatments. So, I got some, told other departments and they went and bought what they could for employees, until our business was able to get a full order to provide to employees. I had also bought the N95 Respirator which people use when they clear Mold or Asbestos, as well as the white suit they use. I was fully equipped, at work and at home, I have UV lights.
I had my floors redone, during the summer of last year, and when the workers would leave, I'd turn on the UV lights and spray the disinfectants through out the house.

Even still when I go to the stores, I don't let people who are unmasked close to me. I buy take out food, and only sat in a Pizzeria once with as we acknowledged the admin workers day.

I refuse to do things that might put others people who are working at risk. I think some people don't respect the fact that some people did not have the option to "work from home".

I don't get the people who think they are "invincible" ... I do what I can to not let their delusions of invincibility put me at greater risk.
 
People are still dying.... and people are aware and concerned.

quote

Father of 5 dies from COVID-19 after refusing to get vaccine​

By Taryn Asher and David Komer online producer
Published 2 days ago
Coronavirus Vaccine
FOX 2 Detroit

A Lincoln Park family is grieving the loss of a father of five from COVID-19. He and his wife refused the vaccine, now she is sharing the story to convince others to get it.

"He said he never wanted his children to go through what he went through in life - he wanted his kids to have the best of everything," said his wife, Hollie Rivers.
Antwone Rivers was a doting father of five who had it tough growing up in foster care, facing years of abuse and neglect. His wife Hollie says he overcame his obstacles - becoming a success in school and in his career., earning the position of manager at Precision Vehicle Logistics in Wayne.
"He went to work every day even on the weekends, on vacations he worked," she said.
Which is why everyone was shocked when he called in sick in April. That was when Antwone and Hollie learned they tested positive for COVID-19.

"I know that it was like a week into us having Covid he started feeling worse and I started feeling better," she said.

The 39-year-old, who had no underlying conditions felt so sick, Hollie rushed him to the hospital. That would be the last conversation she would have with the love of her life.
Doctors eventually put Antwon on a ventilator, but Hollie says every organ in her husband's body, except his liver, began to shut down.

On May 13, Antwone lost his month-long battle to covid.

"Hard - but it is even harder for our children," Hollie said. "Our oldest, she is 13, and she is sadder for the younger two because they are 3 and 1. And she's sadder they won't have the memories the other children will have."
Hollie says both took Covid seriously, wearing a mask and social distancing, but didn't feel comfortable getting the vaccine. It is a decision Hollie now regrets.

"It was funny because two weeks prior to this happening - we were talking about it more saying maybe we should get vaccinated and now it's like, a big loss for everybody."

end quote

I've worked throughout the Pandemic, even though we could work from home, I still went into the office. Mask and followed all Medical Advice, including the fact I bought a UV light for my Office. I could keep my door closed and we did not have to see any public visitors, meetings were done by Zoom, and the building was only at 25% or so capacity, as everyone who could worked from home. I got my vaccine early Feb, and second shot early march. Have been promoting that family members get vaccinated. I send out info on the Virus to Employees.

Back when COVID first began to spread and Mask were difficult to find, I went to a beauty shop, which had some because beauticians do at time wear them with they are doing certain hair treatments. So, I got some, told other departments and they went and bought what they could for employees, until our business was able to get a full order to provide to employees. I had also bought the N95 Respirator which people use when they clear Mold or Asbestos, as well as the white suit they use. I was fully equipped, at work and at home, I have UV lights.
I had my floors redone, during the summer of last year, and when the workers would leave, I'd turn on the UV lights and spray the disinfectants through out the house.

Even still when I go to the stores, I don't let people who are unmasked close to me. I buy take out food, and only sat in a Pizzeria once with as we acknowledged the admin workers day.

I refuse to do things that might put others people who are working at risk. I think some people don't respect the fact that some people did not have the option to "work from home".

I don't get the people who think they are "invincible" ... I do what I can to not let their delusions of invincibility put me at greater risk.

Today was first day that masks became optional indoors here. Nice to see smiling faces again.
 
Interestingly enough I don’t know anybody that has kids and that’s going to cause a huge labor shortage in the next 20 to 30 years. If you think it’s hard to find workers now…just wait. You’ll be begging for those robots.
 

Everyone has short handed since 2017 here. Reactions to the WuFlu made it worse for everyone except those with the option to stay home.
 
I am now all crewed up, all positions on that upcoming shoot have been filled, and we're doing camera tests tomorrow.
I also might have another shoot coming up, and for blues fans this one's very exciting.
I have my fingers crossed that I may get to go up to Berkeley to interview Taj Mahal.
This shoot, if it comes to fruition, is a bit more tricky because the interviewer will be in Tulsa and I'll be using her camera stream and switching it live with my two cameras in Berkeley.
No, the interviewer is not using a webcam, it's a real shoot with a real camera in Tulsa, too.
We don't use webcams when we can get away with being more professional, this isn't a news show.
 
Everyone has short handed since 2017 here. Reactions to the WuFlu made it worse for everyone except those with the option to stay home.
We used to solve our labor problems with immigration, but that’s become a heated political topic so now we just get to suffer
 
We used to solve our labor problems with immigration, but that’s become a heated political topic so now we just get to suffer

There is a difference between immigration and foreign nationals living and working here illegally. That line has been blurred beyond recognition; intentionally.
 
There is a difference between immigration and foreign nationals living and working here illegally. That line has been blurred beyond recognition; intentionally.
It doesn’t change the fact that that’s how we used to manage our labor shortages. This is all a failure of government policy with a basis in politics.
 


People whined and cried about people having kids in the 1970's and 1980's mostly trying to curb minorities from having kids, but it was also a mantra that white people chose as well, and now the generations now, don't want to have kids, the crazy cost of higher education makes many not want to have kids, and I've seen many schools that closed and others that consolidated, because there were not enough kids to keep them open.

Greed and Ignorance seems to always lead into calamity in the long term. China found out and is finding out more and more then One Child Policy has left them with an "aged society".... the same is happening in Japan, and it will happen in many other places... Unless people start having kids, and jobs pay them enough to afford to raise them. When we see individuals who are worth Billions$$$ yet, people are working for less than the cost of living, its a recipe for many challenges as the future unfolds.

We as societies have become so hung up on materialism, wealthy hoarding, and chasing what we call "fun"... and it all comes with a price much bigger than people realize. That prices is an aged out society, with a bunch of material struck people, who worship money..... to the point they ignored the fact that "currency was designed as a medium of exchange", to facilitate a functioning economy... not for "wealth hoarding" but to build a wealthy health society, who could keep the exchange cycles going where equity flows for all.

Nothing good ever comes out of vanity obsessions, greed hoarding and fools pride nor the worship of money..... It's really not about who can race to death trying to see who has stored up the most money. No one takes anything from this world when their life span expires.
 
Even still when I go to the stores, I don't let people who are unmasked close to me. I buy take out food, and only sat in a Pizzeria once with as we acknowledged the admin workers day.

For the fist time since Covid hit, I saw people in the store today without masks.

Only 2 but both, I'd bet my house, were not vaccinated. They were obvious Trumpists.

Removing the mask guideline before we hit herd immunity was the worse thing I can recall the CDC doing.

It's so little to accomplish so much.
 
For the fist time since Covid hit, I saw people in the store today without masks.

Only 2 but both, I'd bet my house, were not vaccinated. They were obvious Trumpists.

Removing the mask guideline before we hit herd immunity was the worse thing I can recall the CDC doing.

It's so little to accomplish so much.
I will keep wearing my mask. I'm not going risk myself or others for the foolishness that some choose to do.
 
Anyone hiring? Tell us what's up.
most jobs that are hiring are service industry jobs that pay minimum wage or lower...that is why they are having a tough time filling those jobs...people have moved on to better jobs and now those people who want to pay $5 are stuck, because if someone moved into say gig work...and makes $800 a week...why would they go back to making $200 a week?
 
It doesn’t change the fact that that’s how we used to manage our labor shortages. This is all a failure of government policy with a basis in politics.
When was that? That foriegn nationals here illegally filled the labor shortage....
 
A 5:00 AM call for what amounted to two hours worth of work but got paid for four.
Trained the tall kid in the background on the KiPro Ultra 4K recorder, how to "build it" properly into the camera being used, programmed the Teradeck so it streamed properly to "video village", home by 10:00 AM.
Boy howdy, these youngsters are supposed to be better and more savvy at this stuff than us recovering analog dinosaurs.

Jeff JessicaG 5AM call.webp

It's good to be back out there again, but I have to admit, that COVID long hauler crap makes me FEEL old, really old.
 
Since I raised a family of 4 in literally the most expensive region on earth for $66K per year, in perfectly respectable fashion, I seriously have trouble understanding this. Is life so good that wallowing in the perceived injustices is better than that? WTF? We are offering more than that for one worker with zero experience ... wtf? Did toughness and grit just die in the last couple decades, replaced with entitlement and victimhood? I seriously don't get it.

Cost of living has gone way up and wages are stagnant. The entry-level and mid-career labor market today looks completely different than anything you remember. Any high-paying positions are able to be offshored to low-cost regions like Mexico, India or Eastern Europe through remote technology (videoconf, emails, screensharing, etc.).

So, the most common jobs today are now cashiers, sales associates, food prep workers and janitors. I.e., all low-paid, manual effort service jobs that cannot be offshored.
 
I run online business during lockdown and its really work now. In my work I use call recorders for recording many calls from clients. I have service remind like uber eats. Such apps help to keep in touch with clients.
 
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