Angry at the unvaccinated? Here's a better way

[it's just me]

Uh, because after nearly 2 years, there has been ZERO super spreader covid events? There's zero evidence that covid spreads on airplanes? That the masks you so love for everyone to wear seem to be working on airplanes?
I mean, other than ideology, what reason is there?

Punishment? Power? Control? Force?

Control

 

[American]

Do the vaccines have efficacy in limiting disease?

Yes. Unequivocally.

Is it 99%? No. Is it 60%+? Definitely.

That alone tells you unvaccinated people spread more disease.

If you understand how pandemics work, you understand that small reductions in risk early on lead yo large reductions in spread later, because of the exponential spread. That might be a little advanced for ya tho.

Moreover, when someone GETS COVID and is vaccinated, they tend to clear it more quickly and have a smaller viral load (although studies are conflicting on VL), shortening the period of infectiousness substantially.

In other words, they spread less disease.

This isn’t just speculation.

Community transmission and viral load kinetics of the SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals in the UK: a prospective, longitudinal, cohort study

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully...

www.thelancet.com

My gf on her second time with Covid recovered slower than me, who was on my first time. Oh please let me know your world renowned expertise on pandemics. You're so much smarter than the rest us hillbillies. Yeah.

 

[it's just me]

Dismiss away. Here's what I've come to discover, you can't appeal to the anti vaxxers with any approach, they are as rabid as the second amendment folks.

And there you have it: "Those damn people won't let us tell them what to do".

 

[screenwriter]

CDC does the monitoring upon receipt of data submitted by clinical professionals. I provide a link, below, just for you. And yes, VAERS clearly states that any adverse reports are not to be trusted for accuracy-except those submitted by clinical professionals for whom false reporting is a criminal offence. Again...

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

First, there's the whole trust the system for accuracy that says you can't trust the system for accuracy. Quite the oxymoron there.
Second, that still does not address the fact that people are not being monitored once they have been given the vaccine. There's no follow up doctor's appointment, not even follow up surveys or phone calls. Nada, zilch, zero. There are no autopsies done - as would be done in the case of someone in a clinical trial.

 

[snakestretcher]

First, there's the whole trust the system for accuracy that says you can't trust the system for accuracy. Quite the oxymoron there.
Second, that still does not address the fact that people are not being monitored once they have been given the vaccine. There's no follow up doctor's appointment, not even follow up surveys or phone calls. Nada, zilch, zero. There are no autopsies done - as would be done in the case of someone in a clinical trial.

Would it help? If people remain healthy after vaccination, what is there left to monitor, and why would a healthy individual seek an additional doctor's assessment? What would an autopsy show that a death certificate (a legal document), doesn't?

 

[Threegoofs]

The viral load of a vaccinated person and unvaccinated person are the same.

I realize you really, really want that to be true, but it’s still unclear.

Lower Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Viral Shedding Following Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination Among Healthcare Workers in Los Angeles, California

Abstract. Among 880 healthcare workers with a positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test, 264 (30.0%) infections were ident

academic.oup.com

 

[Threegoofs]

My gf on her second time with Covid recovered slower than me, who was on my first time. Oh please let me know your world renowned expertise on pandemics. You're so much smarter than the rest us hillbillies. Yeah.

While it’s quite impressive that you are able to attract and keep a girlfriend, I see little relevance of your anecdote to a discussion of if vaccinated people spread disease less than unvaccinated people in the general population.

 

[Threegoofs]

First, there's the whole trust the system for accuracy that says you can't trust the system for accuracy. Quite the oxymoron there.
Second, that still does not address the fact that people are not being monitored once they have been given the vaccine. There's no follow up doctor's appointment, not even follow up surveys or phone calls. Nada, zilch, zero. There are no autopsies done - as would be done in the case of someone in a clinical trial.

LOL.

You think they do autopsies in cases of death in clinical trials.

Adorable.

 

[Overitall]

Look at who's dying from Covid, that may clear it up.

Nah, I'm clear enough on the subject, but if you have something to add to my education don't hesitate to speak up.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Nah, I'm clear enough on the subject, but if you have something to add to my education don't hesitate to speak up.

Um, no, I wasn't trying to add to your education nor think I'm qualified as I have no idea what your education is nor you mine, but it's clearer to me when I look at deaths from Covid and compare the vaccinated to un vaccinated what the vaccine does so I just thought it might be helpful. I figured you'd just disregard it if it isn't.

 

[Overitall]

Um, no, I wasn't trying to add to your education nor think I'm qualified as I have no idea what your education is nor you mine, but it's clearer to me when I look at deaths from Covid and compare the vaccinated to un vaccinated what the vaccine does so I just thought it might be helpful. I figured you'd just disregard it if it isn't.

I'm aware of the data. I didn't choose to get fully vaccinated just because someone told me I should. I believe in researching all that I can before making a decision. Especially when putting something into my body. Although some questions remain for me regarding the vaccines, I thought in my personal situation the shot was my best option.

Omicron has tossed a monkey wrench into the mix. I'm hearing/reading that those that are infected by it develop a more robust immunity towards future infections. And future infections are a scientific fact. This virus is not going away. Plus, new research is suggesting that those who have been infected and choose to get vaccinated have more antibodies than just from vaccinations alone.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

First, there's the whole trust the system for accuracy that says you can't trust the system for accuracy. Quite the oxymoron there.
Second, that still does not address the fact that people are not being monitored once they have been given the vaccine. There's no follow up doctor's appointment, not even follow up surveys or phone calls. Nada, zilch, zero. There are no autopsies done - as would be done in the case of someone in a clinical trial.

Uh, you gave away the argument, you undercut your whole "point", there were CLINICAL TRIALS of the covid vax, less than 3% showed any notable reaction.

If there was some massive significant adverse reactions, especially deaths, it would be front page news and you know it. It would be reported by ANY state health authority that has the vaccine.

You are simply going off into conspiracy theory la-la land.

 

[Threegoofs]

Uh, you gave away the argument, you undercut your whole "point", there were CLINICAL TRIALS of the covid vax, less than 3% showed any notable reaction.

If there was some massive significant adverse reactions, especially deaths, it would be front page news and you know it. It would be reported by ANY state health authority that has the vaccine.

You are simply going off into conspiracy theory la-la land.

Theresa reason hospitals have COVID wings, but dont have CVID vaccine complication wings.

In fact, I’ve never met anyone that has admitted a patient for a complication due to covid vaccine.

 

[bongsaway]

And there you have it: "Those damn people won't let us tell them what to do".

Seriously you didn't have to make the point I already made.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I'm aware of the data. I didn't choose to get fully vaccinated just because someone told me I should. I believe in researching all that I can before making a decision. Especially when putting something into my body. Although some questions remain for me regarding the vaccines, I thought in my personal situation the shot was my best option.

Omicron has tossed a monkey wrench into the mix. I'm hearing/reading that those that are infected by it develop a more robust immunity towards future infections. And future infections are a scientific fact. This virus is not going away. Plus, new research is suggesting that those who have been infected and choose to get vaccinated have more antibodies than just from vaccinations alone.

I've heard all of that as well and I got the booster but, I'm not really fearing Omicron, if I get it I will have another "booster" and Omicron being the dominant variant it's probably a good idea to prepare for the next as you've said.

I wouldn't trust getting it without any vaccine tho. It's still messing up some people but all in all the first set of vaccines and a case of Omicron as a booster would be better I would think than a booster from the old variant. It's the reason they're making an Omicron booster. Makes sense.

If I don't catch it, I'll get the Omicron booster and be good with that. Same thing, just shorter down time, and I can choose when to feel crappy which is convenient with work.

 

[Overitall]

I've heard all of that as well and I got the booster but, I'm not really fearing Omicron, if I get it I will have another "booster" and Omicron being the dominant variant it's probably a good idea to prepare for the next as you've said.

I wouldn't trust getting it without any vaccine tho. It's still messing up some people but all in all the first set of vaccines and a case of Omicron as a booster would be better I would think than a booster from the old variant. It's the reason they're making an Omicron booster. Makes sense.

If I don't catch it, I'll get the Omicron booster and be good with that. Same thing, just shorter down time, and I can choose when to feel crappy which is convenient with work.

I'm still questioning whether I'll get any more shots until the passing of more time -- like the flu shot is currently administered. Speaking of which -- I think I heard or read where the pharmaceuticals are working on a combo vaccine for both the flu and covid. That sounds interesting, but I wonder how much longer the shots will be free. Those lacking insurance or the money to purchase the shots will just take us back a step or two. At that point herd immunity might be our only chance.

 

[Lursa]

Omicron has tossed a monkey wrench into the mix. I'm hearing/reading that those that are infected by it develop a more robust immunity towards future infections. And future infections are a scientific fact. This virus is not going away. Plus, new research is suggesting that those who have been infected and choose to get vaccinated have more antibodies than just from vaccinations alone.

Please source the bold. And Omicron's only been in the US since early Dec. How could they possible know this for 'future infections' yet? And we have no idea what new variants will occur.

 

[Overitall]

Please source the bold.

No. Google it.

And Omicron's only been in the US since early Dec. How could they possible know this for 'future infections' yet? And we have no idea what new variants will occur.

 

[Lursa]

No. Google it.

that's what I thought. You just makes stuff up.

Nevermind.

 

[Overitall]

that's what I thought. You just makes stuff up.

Nevermind.

Very well. I'll accommodate your intellectual dishonesty.

If you get COVID-19 are you super immune?

Studies suggest a prior infection with Omicron gives you stronger immunity against a new infection with Delta or Omicron.

fortune.com

Now, if you weren't more interested in trolling me and Googled it as I suggested you would find several articles on the subject.

 

[devildavid]

Very well. I'll accommodate your intellectual dishonesty.

If you get COVID-19 are you super immune?

Studies suggest a prior infection with Omicron gives you stronger immunity against a new infection with Delta or Omicron.

fortune.com

Now, if you weren't more interested in trolling me and Googled it as I suggested you would find several articles on the subject.

Future infections could come from a new variant, not just from Delta or Omicron again. So there is no way of knowing what immunity having Omicron is against those.

 

[Lursa]

My gf got Covid twice, one before vaxing, and once after; the second time worse than the first. So much for your assertions. I got Covid after vaxxing. So I guess you don't know anything but talking points.

He's discussing the SPREAD of covid. Not if you get sick again, which unfortunately, people can. But in discussing spread of the disease, he's also discussing the overall risks to everyone, because the more people that get infected, the more the virus replicates and has more opportunities to mutate. It's pretty obvious now that we need to minimize the risks of developing new variants. Both Delta and Omicron developed in countries with low vax rates.

And the unvaccinated spread covid at higher rates than vaccinated people. They are contributing to the covid infection rates and increasing overall risks at a much greater pace. We all need to do what we can to continue to minimize the risk of new variants.

"People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus."​

“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”​

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How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

A man getting vaccinated in LA People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent...

www.newscientist.com

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How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

A man getting vaccinated in LA People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent...

www.newscientist.com

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You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

Fully vaccinated people are less likely to contract the coronavirus than unvaccinated people. If they don’t get an infection, they can’t transmit the virus to others.

www.healthline.com

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COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Every little bit helps.

 

[Overitall]

Future infections could come from a new variant, not just from Delta or Omicron again. So there is no way of knowing what immunity having Omicron is against those.

Don't shoot the messenger.

The study found that antibodies measured after breakthrough cases were more abundant and more effective than antibodies generated two weeks after a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. “You can’t get a better immune response than this,” said Fikadu Tafesse, the author of the report and an assistant professor at the OHSU School of Medicine.

 

[Lursa]

Very well. I'll accommodate your intellectual dishonesty.

If you get COVID-19 are you super immune?

Studies suggest a prior infection with Omicron gives you stronger immunity against a new infection with Delta or Omicron.

fortune.com

Now, if you weren't more interested in trolling me and Googled it as I suggested you would find several articles on the subject.

OMG. The study was on 15 people and is from late Dec.

And they couch every single statement with qualifiers. Which say it's early and they really dont know

So...we still have no idea how long that immunity would last IF it actually exists.

Sorry, but your facile attempt to source your claim was poorly executed.

 

[devildavid]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Did you even read the last paragraph in the article you linked to?

"That being said, the Omicron variant is proving adept at evading prior infections from different variants. Preprint studies from South Africa found the risk of reinfection with Omicron during South Africa’s fourth wave was substantially higher than the risk seen during the country’s second and third waves, which were dominated by Beta and Delta, respectively. Another study from the Imperial College of London found risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant was 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant."