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Angry at the unvaccinated? Here's a better way

screenwriter said:
Except there is no monitoring of the vaccinated - reality is, there's no way to know this number so that "7" is a meaningless number.
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He doesn't even know what the subject is. The "7" number is the number of people who died as a result of the vaccines (side effects). A number he didn't bother to source.
 
Overitall said:
He doesn't even know what the subject is. The "7" number is the number of people who died as a result of the vaccines (side effects). A number he didn't bother to source.
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That's the key, there is no source. There is no monitoring of vaccine recipients.
 
Mika-El said:
Your lecture makes very little sense with due respect especially your reference to the 5th amendment which has never prevented medical laws to prevent the spread of contagious illnesses. The legal concept of a government being able to implement regulations to contain the spread of contagious illnesses has always been there and the Constitution has never prevented it.

In Canada the law can be found at: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/q-1.1/FullText.html

In the US these laws can be found at: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html
and at:

Legal Considerations | Epidemic Intelligence Service | CDC

This chapter provides an overview of legal considerations relating to field epidemiology and, more specifically, epidemiologic investigations.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

Your reference to criminal law is nonsensical. You are not presumed innocent when you may be spreading a contagious illness.

No article in the US Constitution says it is your individual right to spread disease and endanger others with that disease. Do not be absurd.

Furthermore would you have people believe if you get Covid 19 and become seriousluy because you did not take the vaccine, you will stay at home and die at home not use he hospital? Well? Of course not. You want your cake and eat it too. You want to be able to get sick and demand treatments and you want to be able to walk around in public spreading an illness that might kill others and most importantly because you won't take the vaccine when it enters you will have more time and opportunity to mutate itself into a newer form of virus it would not otherwise do if you were vaccinated. Say it. Complete the implications of your beliefs on others. State how you do not give a shit about anyone else's rights but your own. Finish it. You won't. Your depiction of your individual rights is simplistic and selects out any reference to the causes it can and will do others and that is why you are challenged and no Article 5 never allowed you to use your individual rights to harm others, ever.

As for your bizarre reference to criminal law for whatever statement you were trying to make using your argument there should be no laws including criminal laws that inconvenience you. Right. The world does not work that way and yes laws can be enforced against you and that is precisely why you are whining about it. You think it inconveniences you.
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If, this is the only post you read and not all of the back and forth posts between me and another poster. I can understand the confusion.
I agree that all Legal and Constitutional Laws should be used and followed.

Part of the discussion was about… President Biden using the OSHA “work around” mandate

nypost.com

Biden chief apparently admits vaccine mandate ‘ultimate work-around’

Ronald Klain, the Biden Administration’s chief of staff, appears to be admitting that the vaccine mandate for private companies is the “ultimate work-around” to issuing a federal vaccine mandate.…
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I was not the one who suggested that drunk driving and other laws were examples of past society’s concerns that eventually became Law… due to that society’s concerns.

I suggested, that the current society that is so concerned about the “unvaccinated” that they should get busy and do what the past concerned society did and get the Government to write a Law.

President Biden in the past thought that the vaccinated could not spread the virus and he stated that in a public speech promoting the vaccine.

That was eventually corrected… after many people were vaccinated.

Since, all of those people who trusted in The “Science Following” President and his Science Consultants.

Is it possible that those people could have reasoned based on their trust in Science and their Science following President…

That, they truly believed that they could be safely around their “unvaccinated” friends or family… via “get togethers” that they have missed out on for such a long time?

Surprise! The vaccinated can and do spread the virus sometimes without even knowing about it… to their friends, family members, neighbors, and other people that are unvaccinated and vaccinated.

After that, the unvaccinated became the sole reason for the virus spread! Those selfish scapegoats!

imho
 
trixare4kids said:
Let me first say, I am not against private employers imposing their own vaccine and testing mandates.

The reason the SC ruled against Biden's vaccine and testing mandate was because they saw OSHA overstepping its authority.
The SC said they weren't against mandates, only that OSHA imposing one was an overreach on their part.
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LOL That is like saying you are pro-vaccine but against mandates. It makes no sense. If the vaccine is good then why shouldn't everyone get it. Vaccines for deadly contagious diseases have never been a choice in America. The idea that OSHA cannot enforce health and safety measures in the workplace is beyond stupid it is criminal and will cost many lives. Their argument that OSHA has never has a vaccine mandate before also shows how they are reaching for excuses. There has never been a pandemic like this in 50 years either.
 
CharisRose said:
If, this is the only post you read and not all of the back and forth posts between me and another poster. I can understand the confusion.
I agree that all Legal and Constitutional Laws should be used and followed.

Part of the discussion was about… President Biden using the OSHA “work around” mandate

nypost.com

Biden chief apparently admits vaccine mandate ‘ultimate work-around’

Ronald Klain, the Biden Administration’s chief of staff, appears to be admitting that the vaccine mandate for private companies is the “ultimate work-around” to issuing a federal vaccine mandate.…
nypost.com nypost.com


I was not the one who suggested that drunk driving and other laws were examples of past society’s concerns that eventually became Law… due to that society’s concerns.

I suggested, that the current society that is so concerned about the “unvaccinated” that they should get busy and do what the past concerned society did and get the Government to write a Law.

President Biden in the past thought that the vaccinated could not spread the virus and he stated that in a public speech promoting the vaccine.

That was eventually corrected… after many people were vaccinated.

Since, all of those people who trusted in The “Science Following” President and his Science Consultants.

Is it possible that those people could have reasoned based on their trust in Science and their Science following President…

That, they truly believed that they could be safely around their “unvaccinated” friends or family… via “get togethers” that they have missed out on for such a long time?

Surprise! The vaccinated can and do spread the virus sometimes without even knowing about it… to their friends, family members, neighbors, and other people that are unvaccinated and vaccinated.

After that, the unvaccinated became the sole reason for the virus spread! Those selfish scapegoats!

imho
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The vaccinated are not the ones clogging our ER's and reducing the care available for other ailments. Doctors and nurses are sick and tired of the argument that the unvaccinated don't hurt anyone but themselves and so am I. They hurt us all and it is an abomination that they are allowed to continue this assault on our medical system. It is completely the fault of Republicans who are using these morons for their own benefit. They have no shame and every single one of them that has spread disinformation about covid and the vaccine should be disqualified for public office.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL That is like saying you are pro-vaccine but against mandates. It makes no sense. If the vaccine is good then why shouldn't everyone get it. Vaccines for deadly contagious diseases have never been a choice in America. The idea that OSHA cannot enforce health and safety measures in the workplace is beyond stupid it is criminal and will cost many lives. Their argument that OSHA has never has a vaccine mandate before also shows how they are reaching for excuses. There has never been a pandemic like this in 50 years either.
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Biden should not have decided OSHA would be the bureau to enforce workplace mandates for employers with 100 or more workers. Did you read why the SC ruled as they did? It's pretty clear why they shot down Biden's quest, and I agree with their logic.
 
iguanaman said:
The vaccinated are not the ones clogging our ER's and reducing the care available for other ailments. Doctors and nurses are sick and tired of the argument that the unvaccinated don't hurt anyone but themselves and so am I. They hurt us all and it is an abomination that they are allowed to continue this assault on our medical system. It is completely the fault of Republicans who are using these morons for their own benefit. They have no shame and every single one of them that has spread disinformation about covid and the vaccine should be disqualified for public office.
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Or could it be due to The Current Democrat President blunder speech to the Public…The vaccinated can not spread the virus?

And the vaccinated unknowingly spread the virus to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated because of the freedom they had of being non-spreaders of the virus.

They could get out and enjoy life with no fear of spreading the virus! Then came the Surprise! The Vaccinated can and do spread the virus back then and still can currently and may not even know they have caught the virus and can spread the virus.
 
iguanaman said:
The vaccinated are not the ones clogging our ER's and reducing the care available for other ailments. Doctors and nurses are sick and tired of the argument that the unvaccinated don't hurt anyone but themselves and so am I. They hurt us all and it is an abomination that they are allowed to continue this assault on our medical system. It is completely the fault of Republicans who are using these morons for their own benefit. They have no shame and every single one of them that has spread disinformation about covid and the vaccine should be disqualified for public office.
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Are you sure about that? I just read an article where half of the hospitalized in Houston area hospitals are people who have been vaccinated.
These vaccines don't keep the vaccinated from being infected, especially with Omicron.

A recent study at Houston Methodist found that 675 of the 1,313 hospitalized patients with omicron were vaccinated — a significantly higher share than the alpha and delta surge. The variant appears to cause milder sickness overall, with more patients coming to the hospital for non-COVID concerns, before testing positive for the virus. However, the sheer volume of infections has already led to record number of daily hospitalizations in the medical center.
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Grant it, the unvaccinated are having way more problems with Covid than the vaccinated.

www.houstonchronicle.com

Omicron is sending vaccinated people to the hospital, but unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU

In the Harris Health System, 22 of the 27 COVID patients in its intensive care units are...
www.houstonchronicle.com www.houstonchronicle.com
 
trixare4kids said:
half of the hospitalized in Houston area hospitals are people who have been vaccinated.
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Sure, vaccinated people are in the hospital....getting operations....etc....no shit.
Now, go read up on ICU occupancy.

You never seem to be able to create any argument that is valid.
 
CharisRose said:
Or could it be due to The Current Democrat President blunder speech to the Public…The vaccinated can not spread the virus?

And the vaccinated unknowingly spread the virus to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated because of the freedom they had of being non-spreaders of the virus.

They could get out and enjoy life with no fear of spreading the virus! Then came the Surprise! The Vaccinated can and do spread the virus back then and still can currently and may not even know they have caught the virus and can spread the virus.
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Why do you continue to lie about this when it’s been repeatedly pointed out to you he clearly misspoke, since he said the correct thing earlier in the interview?

How does it feel to know you’re intentionally being completely dishonest? It’s really gotta weigh on the soul.
 
trixare4kids said:
Are you sure about that? I just read an article where half of the hospitalized in Houston area hospitals are people who have been vaccinated.
These vaccines don't keep the vaccinated from being infected, especially with Omicron.



Grant it, the unvaccinated are having way more problems with Covid than the vaccinated.

www.houstonchronicle.com

Omicron is sending vaccinated people to the hospital, but unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU

In the Harris Health System, 22 of the 27 COVID patients in its intensive care units are...
www.houstonchronicle.com www.houstonchronicle.com
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According to the article since they test everyone for covid a large number of the vaccinated are in the hospital for other reasons and also tested positive. Those in the ICU with severe covid are nearly all unvaccinated. The ICU's are where all life saving emergency care is done for accidents, heart attacks and strokes and it is those facilities that are being overfilled with the unvaccinated. Nothing has really changed with omicron. It is still the unvaccinated that are dying from covid and straining the ICU staffs to their limits. Sure there more sore throats and sniffles among the vaccinated but that is not the problem.
 
Elizabeth, NJ – Either Elizabeth, New Jersey is a COVID-19 anomaly or Governor Phil Murphy is not providing residents of the state with accurate and truthful news about the COVID-19 pandemic.

Governor Phil Murphy this week reiterated that the current outbreak in New Jersey is affecting mostly unvaccinated patients and that the bulk of patients in ICU and on ventilators are unvaccinated.

In the past, Murphy has declared the pandemic, “A pandemic of the unvaccinated”, a claim echoed this week by President Joe Biden.

But, data released Thursday by the City of Elizabeth tell a much different story. The city reported more than 50% of Trinitas Regional Medical Center’s more serious COVID-19 patients are vaccinated.

“Trinitas currently has 73 patients admitted with COVID-19, 32 of those patients are unvaccinated, 14 are in the ICU, 5 are unvaccinated,” the city said. “There are also 12 patients on a ventilator, and 4 are unvaccinated.”

That means 75% of patients on ventilators at the hospital are vaccinated. Overall 57% of patients being treated at Trinitas are vaccinated and 43% are unvaccinated.

65% of patients in the hospital’s ICU are vaccinated compared to 35% who are unvaccinated.
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More than half of patients in this New Jersey hospital with COVID-19 are vaccinated

Elizabeth, NJ - Either Elizabeth, New Jersey is a COVID-19 anomaly or Governor Phil Murphy is not providing residents of the state with accurate and truthful
www.shorenewsnetwork.com

 
Ethel2 said:
Thanks
What we did to the Japanese and to the native Americans was an atrocity.
Strange that some people are talking about “reparations “ to African Americans but there is no discussion about reparations for the other two ethnic groups.
There is justification for rounding up the covidiots and putting them in camps until the normal people here get this under control. Unfortunately it’s not legal to do so.
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It can be done...
and it would be legal... Trust me...
-Peace

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screenwriter said:
Except there is no monitoring of the vaccinated - reality is, there's no way to know this number so that "7" is a meaningless number.
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So, in the absence of a sensible response all you can manage is "meaningless"? How do you think we got to that number if it wasn't reported?
 
trixare4kids said:
Biden should not have decided OSHA would be the bureau to enforce workplace mandates for employers with 100 or more workers. Did you read why the SC ruled as they did? It's pretty clear why they shot down Biden's quest, and I agree with their logic.
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Yes you are against the covid vaccine and all others vaccines too . Yet you took it. That makes you a pathetic hypocrite not that that would bother a Republican. There was no logic at all in the SC decision that OSHA does not have the power to make rules that provide safety for Americans workers. That is the entire purpose of OSHA,
 
trixare4kids said:

More than half of patients in this New Jersey hospital with COVID-19 are vaccinated

Elizabeth, NJ - Either Elizabeth, New Jersey is a COVID-19 anomaly or Governor Phil Murphy is not providing residents of the state with accurate and truthful
www.shorenewsnetwork.com

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LOL Where did you find that propaganda? It is a bald faced lie AND the link is no longer working.

Here is the truth about hospitals in NJ.

Despite more breakthrough cases, unvaccinated patients still make up the majority of COVID hospitalizations, according to data from the New Jersey Hospital Association. A survey of hospitals on Dec. 31 showed:
  • 60.6% of patients were unvaccinated.
  • 33.6% were "under-vaccinated," meaning they either received only one shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or have not received a booster shot.
  • 5.8% were fully vaccinated plus a booster shot.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...vid-hospitalizations-graph-update/9088417002/

And then there is this....

Vaccination protects against Covid-19 hospitalization significantly more than prior infection, according to CDC study​

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/health/covid-vaccine-infection-protection-cdc-study/index.html
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL Where did you find that propaganda? It is a bald faced lie AND the link is no longer working.

Here is the truth about hospitals in NJ.

Despite more breakthrough cases, unvaccinated patients still make up the majority of COVID hospitalizations, according to data from the New Jersey Hospital Association. A survey of hospitals on Dec. 31 showed:
  • 60.6% of patients were unvaccinated.
  • 33.6% were "under-vaccinated," meaning they either received only one shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or have not received a booster shot.
  • 5.8% were fully vaccinated plus a booster shot.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...vid-hospitalizations-graph-update/9088417002/

And then there is this....

Vaccination protects against Covid-19 hospitalization significantly more than prior infection, according to CDC study​

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/health/covid-vaccine-infection-protection-cdc-study/index.html
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The link works.

More than half of patients in this New Jersey hospital with COVID-19 are vaccinated

Elizabeth, NJ - Either Elizabeth, New Jersey is a COVID-19 anomaly or Governor Phil Murphy is not providing residents of the state with accurate and truthful
www.shorenewsnetwork.com

More Than Half Of Patients In This New Jersey Hospital With COVID-19 Are Vaccinated​

Adding another source:

justthenews.com

Nearly half of omicron patients in Houston hospitals were vaccinated, according to new study

Omicron caused more breakthrough cases than Alpha or Delta in the study.
justthenews.com justthenews.com
 
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trixare4kids said:
The link works.

More than half of patients in this New Jersey hospital with COVID-19 are vaccinated

Elizabeth, NJ - Either Elizabeth, New Jersey is a COVID-19 anomaly or Governor Phil Murphy is not providing residents of the state with accurate and truthful
www.shorenewsnetwork.com

More Than Half Of Patients In This New Jersey Hospital With COVID-19 Are Vaccinated​

Adding another source:

justthenews.com

Nearly half of omicron patients in Houston hospitals were vaccinated, according to new study

Omicron caused more breakthrough cases than Alpha or Delta in the study.
justthenews.com justthenews.com
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Guess you just don’t understand ‘incidental’ COVID.

The weird thing is…you don’t just not get it, you pretend it doesn’t exist so you can spread your dishonesty without shame.
 
trixare4kids said:
Are you calling me a liar?
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Wow.

You really don’t want to acknowledge it, do you? I mean, one of your articles, as I showed, makes it very clear. You…ignored it.

What kind of pathology is it that makes someone want to consistently misrepresent the truth about a deadly disease?
 
Threegoofs said:
Wow.

You really don’t want to acknowledge it, do you? I mean, one of your articles, as I showed, makes it very clear. You…ignored it.

What kind of pathology is it that makes someone want to consistently misrepresent the truth about a deadly disease?
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Yes, I acknowledge that you are trolling me, and calling me dishonest.

My point, and I did it by using legitimate sourcing, is to stop the bs that the vaccinated are not in the hospital and that the vaccinated are not spreading covid.
Your having a problem with those facts is not my problem.

Of course there are instances of incidental covid but there are alsoplenty of cases of breakthrough covid. Have a problem with that, take it up with Dr. Fauci.
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trixare4kids said:
Yes, I acknowledge that you are trolling me, and calling me dishonest.

My point, and I did it by using legitimate sourcing, is to stop the bs that the vaccinated are not in the hospital and that the vaccinated are not spreading covid.
Your having a problem with those facts is not my problem.

Of course there are instances of incidental covid but there are alsoplenty of cases of breakthrough covid. Have a problem with that, take it up with Dr. Fauci.
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You literally refuse to accept it.

Legitimate sources? Some sketchy online newspaper and a newspaper that literally contradicts your assertion in the article.

Instances? You’re own source says 60%!

The basic fact that you won’t accept or even acknowledge is this:

Unvaccinated people are spreading the virus at a much greater rate than vaccinated people.
 
Threegoofs said:
You literally refuse to accept it.

Legitimate sources? Some sketchy online newspaper and a newspaper that literally contradicts your assertion in the article.

Instances? You’re own source says 60%!

The basic fact that you won’t accept or even acknowledge is this:

Unvaccinated people are spreading the virus at a much greater rate than vaccinated people.
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Did you conveniently miss the point I have proved by using legitimate sourcing?
Why won't you discuss what people are saying? Why do you presume that a poster must discuss your deflection? I wasn't addressing incidental Covid. I was discussing the hordes of people with breakthrough covid infections that are in the hospital. I am addressing science that says people with breakthrough infection are spreading Covid. I am addressing and have proved that plenty from this group are becoming infected and occupying hospital beds.

Your point in bold would actually be valid if I hadn't already acknowledged the above fact. Give it up.

Got anything else but the usual trolling, tossing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks?
 
Threegoofs said:
Guess you just don’t understand ‘incidental’ COVID.
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Why don't you take the time to enlighten the rest of us. I didn't see the word "incidental" in the article. Where did you come up with the term?
Threegoofs said:
The weird thing is…you don’t just not get it, you pretend it doesn’t exist so you can spread your dishonesty without shame.
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