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Angry at the unvaccinated? Here's a better way

Queen Margo said:
This reminds me of my fear of having a colonoscopy. I was afraid to go under. I was often told to get one, but my fear held me back. I started to question myself of the possibility that the colon cancer could be my demise, and my fear would have been foolish. My doctor, very gently gave me some statistics and nudged me into accepting an appointment. I am sure glad I did as I had some large pre cancer polyps and was put on the 3 year plan. Now I am on the 5 year plan.
But if someone would have just called me names, I doubt if that would have convinced me.
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I'm still on the three year plan and they have to use a pediatric scope. That's another messy subject...lol, diverticulosis.

Once it gets all laid out by matter of fact caring experts, people usually get next to themselves and accept the inevitable. They come to realize that some really are smarter than them. Some simply do not trust the government and therein lies the problem. Some of the unvaccinated in the country probably haven't seen a doctor in years...

I am glad that you chose what is behind door number one, Plan Life. ;)
 
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trixare4kids said:
What you have described is currently one of the biggest social pandemics we are facing. People who think they have the right to act like clods.
As the author of the O/P says, try a little empathy for the unvaccinated.
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What's really ironic is all these liberals screaming diversity, unity, and inclusivity, but anyone who spends 15 minutes on this forum would realize that is simply not true and these are some seriously vile people who want to use the government as a tool of force to coerce those who differ in opinion from them. The truth is, these liberals are just collective bullies who have no respect for other people and the diversity that exists in a heterogenous population.
 
trixare4kids said:
1)Speechless for once in my life.

2)Yeah, The Nazis were a political party. So the **** what?

3)No.
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Heh, speechless but still typing. And so, going by your comment #2 here, it's just as I wrote...it was wrong to act negatively and aggressively against the Nazis. We should have used empathy and curiosity, right? Like your OP article said? And just hope things all worked out for the remaining Jews?
 
Luce said:
Are you okay with drunk driving?
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Dumb question. No one is. I take personal responsibility to not drive drunk and hope that others do as well. I also drive defensively knowing that not all people are as responsible as I am behind the wheel. I am also not stupid enough to rely on police and the criminal justice system to remove all drunk drivers from the road and have to be vigilant when I drive. I am not stupid enough to think that a government can enforce something 100%, and even though there is threat of imprisonment and even death people will still drive drunk. Face it, the government cannot cure all evils of the world and we must learn how to survive in a world where a lot of things can kill us. I made it to 56 years by not placing all my trust in a government and by assuming the complete responsibility for my own life.
 
trixare4kids said:
If some take medical advice from a cable tv host, what are we to do with them?
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I don't know, there is no easy answer to this problem. It would be nice if grifters didn't try to profit off this virus through Anti Vax BS and if people didn't fall for their BS, but that is not the world we live in.

You can say shouting them doesn't do anything, but clearly being nice and making well reasoned arguments doesn't work either. They booed Trump for being vaxxed. It's not just their lives that they are endangering, they can infect others.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I don't know, there is no easy answer to this problem. It would be nice if grifters didn't try to profit off this virus through Anti Vax BS and if people didn't fall for their BS, but that is not the world we live in.

You can say shouting them doesn't do anything, but clearly being nice and making well reasoned arguments doesn't work either. They booed Trump for being vaxxed. It's not just their lives that they are endangering, they can infect others.
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So can the vaccinated.
 
Overitall said:
Fine by me if you don't want to be taken seriously.
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Are you going to pay me to find a source that has no pay wall on this subject? No? Then you can use Google and find this info on your own. It's not hard.
 
TearItAllDown said:
I am not stupid enough to think that a government can enforce something 100%, and even though there is threat of imprisonment and even death people will still drive drunk. Face it, the government cannot cure all evils of the world and we must learn how to survive in a world where a lot of things can kill us.
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Here's the thing. The government doesn't have to enforce something 100% for enforcement to be useful.

And even though the legal system can't catch everyone we still have laws against murder, theft, and drunk driving.

You are engaged in an all-or-nothing type of thinking.
 
Yes_Minister said:
If more people are vaccinated, there would less hospitalizations and deaths overall.
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The above message is repeated over and over again by the news media everyday. It must be reaching some from the unvaccinated group because the gap is lessening between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. That is a fact. We have the stats to prove it by the KFF and other reputable agencies. More and more are getting vaccinated. Eventually, we will get there and get most vaccinated, but it won't come overnight or soon enough. It's just the way it is.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I don't know, there is no easy answer to this problem. It would be nice if grifters didn't try to profit off this virus through Anti Vax BS and if people didn't fall for their BS, but that is not the world we live in.

You can say shouting them doesn't do anything, but clearly being nice and making well reasoned arguments doesn't work either. They booed Trump for being vaxxed. It's not just their lives that they are endangering, they can infect others.
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I don't disagree with any of the above.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Are you going to pay me to find a source that has no pay wall on this subject? No? Then you can use Google and find this info on your own. It's not hard.
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I'm not the one trying to make an argument behind a pay wall source.
 
TearItAllDown said:
You think someone may be conservative and you immediately assume they are a religious fanatic trump-loving insurrectionist anti-vaxx person, and never even bother to ascertain the truth.
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Yes. I do. And this is true more likely than not.

TearItAllDown said:
The truth is, I'm not an anti-vax person but I am anti-mandate.
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Yeah, you know, a lot of people say this same thing, but then when you question them about their views on the vaccine they reveal a lot of anti-vac-adjacent views. The truth is many anti-mandate folks still don't trust vaccines, or they don't trust the medical establishment, etc.

TearItAllDown said:
I know that is really hard for a lot of left leaning people to comprehend the subtle difference there.
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Yes, it is hard to comprehend the difference, because the difference actually is subtle. There's only a little daylight between an anti-vaxxer and an anti-mandate person.
 
TearItAllDown said:
Dumb question. No one is. I take personal responsibility to not drive drunk and hope that others do as well. I also drive defensively knowing that not all people are as responsible as I am behind the wheel. I am also not stupid enough to rely on police and the criminal justice system to remove all drunk drivers from the road and have to be vigilant when I drive. I am not stupid enough to think that a government can enforce something 100%, and even though there is threat of imprisonment and even death people will still drive drunk. Face it, the government cannot cure all evils of the world and we must learn how to survive in a world where a lot of things can kill us. I made it to 56 years by not placing all my trust in a government and by assuming the complete responsibility for my own life.
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The drunk driving argument is a strawman put out by those who really aren't equipped or willing to admit we can't make being unvaccinated a criminal offense.
 
Yes_Minister said:
If more people are vaccinated, there would less hospitalizations and deaths overall.
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Sure, but that could change with the next variant and the efficacy of the vaccines have worn off in them that have been fully vaccinated. There's a false sense of security among the vaccinated. They look at that card they got and think they got it all covered.
 
Overitall said:
I'm not the one trying to make an argument behind a pay wall source.
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Again, not my problem. I was asked to provide a link and I did. I will start billing for my time if you want something else that takes up my time.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I don't know, there is no easy answer to this problem. It would be nice if grifters didn't try to profit off this virus through Anti Vax BS and if people didn't fall for their BS, but that is not the world we live in.

You can say shouting them doesn't do anything, but clearly being nice and making well reasoned arguments doesn't work either. They booed Trump for being vaxxed. It's not just their lives that they are endangering, they can infect others.
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Good post, agree. Being nice to these people or offering facts and truthful information has not worked with them, they are too far gone in conspiracy and right wing disinformation. We're into the third year already, enough with coddling these selfish people, they overflow our hospitals, infect others and cause harm to many by spreading lies about Covid, the vaccines, masks, etc. I have lost patience with these people, we would be in far better shape today as a country if they acted as reasonable adults, cared about themselves, their families and other Americans. If they get infected, perhaps others will learn from their suffering, I personally have no sympathy for them anymore.....just perhaps for their families.
 
Overitall said:
The only ones I see having a temper tantrum are those demanding others get vaccinated.
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No, I do not care, but I would like to see those un-vaccinated to pick up the full bill of cost they will occur if they get the virus. Take responsibility and not free load on the rest.
The vaccines are free, we are paying for them, no cost, just your time, 30 minutes and a little personal effort. If you are double vaccinated and boostered and get it bad we take care of you, all medical bills paid and we support you during your recovery.
You ain't, screw you
Pay for it, all the way, declare bankruptcy, loose your house, the pick up, SUV and so, live with the consequences for the rest of your live.
 
trixare4kids said:
Wouldn't that be a blessing? Hoping your circle of good buds is on the mend soon.
It hit our family hard in December. My youngest son and his family, all vaccinated. I had something nasty but didn't get tested. I'm going to assume though that I didn't have it...

Yesterday, I had to make a quick trip out but for the most part, we are homebound. I wore a double mask because we live in an area where people are ignoring the state imposed mask mandate. 🤷 Maybe they are vaccinated and have had omicron already?

I'm going to order the N-95 masks from Amazon today.

We are being overly protective of ourselves because we are going up to Portland to see our other son and his family soon. Don't want to be ill and have to cancel our plans. My granddaughters both have had covid despite being vaccinated. My son and his wife haven't caught it. though they are both vaccinated and boosted.
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And you wouldn’t have to worry about any of that if the 40% of the country that are raging assholes would just get a free jab or two.
 
Schrott said:
No, I do not care, but I would like to see those un-vaccinated to pick up the full bill of cost they will occur if they get the virus. Take responsibility and not free load on the rest.
The vaccines are free, we are paying for them, no cost, just your time, 30 minutes and a little personal effort. If you are double vaccinated and boostered and get it bad we take care of you, all medical bills paid and we support you during your recovery.
You ain't, screw you
Pay for it, all the way, declare bankruptcy, loose your house, the pick up, SUV and so, live with the consequences for the rest of your live.
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Apply that same logical reasoning to every other class of people who through their own choices burden the HC system.
 
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