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No, that's you're rationalizing on the uneven bars. They aren't able to marry within a 100 miles, why? Because they are gay.
No. Societal norms were and are such which didn't see homosexual marriage as a right. It had to be recognized as such. Your thinking stems from the faulty logic that society must conform to outlier rather than the outlier conforming with society.
That premise is even false. The whole "marriage has always been a heterosexual union" is historically false. Same sex marriages occurred in the Christian church until the 13th century. In fact, if you go back far enough you will find that two different Roman emperors had same sex marriages. In a sense, gays are taking back rights that were stripped from them centuries ago.
But thank you for abandoning your bullcrap, "everyone is free to marry anyone" stance for your real stance. I knew eventually someone would draw it out of you. Less and less the "independent" that you claim to be and more and more the social conservative.
So that makes discrimination against them okay?
No, it stems from the the fact that the genders must be equal under the law, and any prohibition on same-sex marriage is gender discrimination. Gender discrimination violates decades of American jurisprudence -- so outlier my ass.
you haven't met many young Marines have you?
It seems because I won't agree with you that you want to take your ball and run home. You don't respect my opinion and what I find to be a suitable common ground, you want me to succumb to your world view. Won't happen no matter how hard you stomp your feet and hold your breath. You don't like to hear the word "No", I know, sucks don't it?
This now comes to the conclusion of our correspondence on the matter as all you seem to be wanting to do is to goad me into some sort reaction. Perhaps so you can feel justified in your ill conceived opinions. I'll not be part of that, thank you very much.
Nope. Mostly older ones. They don't seem to put up with that kind of bull.
what kind of bull?... a young Marine trying to get over on the system and get some free days off?..... that's true, we salts wouldn't let it fly.... but we'd sure as hell try it when we were young.
I'd do anything legally within my power to get more leave time when I was a pup.... in heartbeat. (in the sunset of my career you couldn't pay me enough to take leave)
let me marry a buddy and get a free week..with all the benefits of other married Marines??... .****, sign me up.
as long as it wasn't mandatory to be gay to marry someone of the same sex, I would have been on board in a New York minute.
Glad to hear the Marines are inspiring such professionalism.
well, don't let me ruin your world vision by letting you in on the fact that we also like to get drunk, fight, and chase women... why we'd surely miss having your "respect"
The discrimination is against heterosexual service men.
I'm not repeating what I said thrice, my position stands
No it isn't, because heterosexual service members can get married wherever they want, whereas in some (most) circumstances homosexual service members have to travel to get married.
actually, it is the DOD discriminating against heterosexual servicemembers.....it's the DOD giving 7 extra days of leave for a marriage that opposite sex members aren't availed to.
I understand that SSM folks can't run down the block to get married... but that's not the DOD's doing.
of course, they could allow those 7 days to opposite sex marriages as well... that would be fine too.
The US Department of Defense has announced plans to offer special marriage benefits to same-sex couples—exceeding the benefits currently offered to heterosexual couples.
The Pentagon has said that a member of the armed service will be given 7 days of paid leave to travel to a state that allows same-sex marriage. The benefit will be expanded to 10 days for those serving overseas. This benefit is not available to service members planning heterosexual weddings.
Pentagon plans special bonus for same-sex marriages : News Headlines - Catholic Culture
No it isn't, because heterosexual service members can get married wherever they want, whereas in some (most) circumstances homosexual service members have to travel to get married.
I'm not asking you to repeat anything, just defend your position. If you can't do that, that's not my problem.
What world view? I haven't posted ANYTHING in any thread I have interacted with you about my world view. I would not waste my time. Your entire argument in this thread is a STRAW MAN. You are claiming that gay people believe any form of discrimination is wrong. Gays didn't ask for or make this policy and yet you want to blame gays for it because you are politically biased and have made generalizations about all gay people and you refuse to admit it.
The real question is whether this policy is reasonable and justifiable discrimination or is it discrimination just for the sake of prejudice or tradition. When you are ready to be an adult about it, I will take your opinion seriously, but when when you make statements like "gays claim to want..." you lose any credibility.
The straw man is your baby, not mine. Nothing in your first paragraph holds a shred of truth.
There is no justifiable discrimination that's your baby again crying for equality and then trying to justify that some discrimination is OK.
You're the only one throwing out ad hom's man...:lamo
Jesus H.
To you I say good day!
Because that is the law. You don't go giving special privilege to people because they seek to engage in activities which are currently illegal. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. I mean seriously....
....right.I wasn't aware I claimed to? I was speaking in a general sense but haven't made any point of showing that this affects me.
They willing served a country which shunned them for decades. I'd say they've earned it.Getting special privilege isn't earning anything.
Baloney!
Every other military person that wants to get married has to take time out of their accrued leave and they manage to get it done just fine. This just goes back to the whole "It's not equal treatment you want. It's special treatment."
I still dont beleive gays get 7 more days leave.
Here is the link to the DOD memo -->> http://www.defense.gov/home/feature...enefits-to-Same-Sex-Spouses-of-Military-M.pdf
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Thanks for the link, I mean I beleive they did it, but I think it is unbelievably bad move.
I still cannot believe they did it. This is a dumb one. Morale killer.
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