I remember the opposition to asking Don't Ask Don't Tell being right along these lines.
Personally, I opt to give the men and women wearing our uniform for being, well, men and women as a pose to toddlers. I'm sure they'll recognize that something needed to be done to offset the fact that 37 out of 50 states discriminate against people paid to lay down their lives for 50 out of 50 states.
Leave time is a big deal to a young Marine or other military guy
Since when is the need to get married so urgent that you can't take a little extra time and plan it out for when you have leave?
and as I've said, that's a real problem you have. I stated to CT and I'll reiterate. I don't feel the government should tell you who you can and cannot marry but to give 1 soldier 7 extra days of paid leave and not give the other guy the same benefits is counter productive. You don't bring equality about by promoting policies of inequality. All this breeds is discontent.
I completely agree, you don't gain equality through in equality. So being that gay people are lower things like this will continue to exist. We are arguing fit the same thing, but until the states get their act together this has to be the way it works. Once the inequities are gone thus will change until then we are stuck
The point is that a homosexual couple will need to take more leave since they'll have to go to another state, vs. a heterosexual couple that doesn't need to spend a couple days traveling just to be allowed to get married.
I think that 7 days is more than is really needed, but I think giving them a couple extra (one day to travel there, one to travel back) is fair.
The homosexual community would do well in the court of public opinion to say "Thanks but no thanks". To this and any other policies which resemble it. Besides everything else that's wrong with it, what are these guys doing that they need 7 extra days, traveling by stagecoach?
Kind of like Don't Ask, Don't Tell, right? After all, that was a law just for gays too.This ludicrous ruling overturns all of that and carves out a special niche for gays.
The homosexual community would do well in the court of public opinion to say "Thanks but no thanks". To this and any other policies which resemble it.
I think it would speak volumes for equality if gay people simply didn't take this leave.
Kind of like Don't Ask, Don't Tell, right? After all, that was a law just for gays too.
Damn them homosexuals for getting all the benefits of extra scrutiny!
So because you've been mistreated it is another's turn? That will win the hearts and minds....
So telling someone you were gay is roughly the same level of distraction as banging your girlfriend. Well, apparently not the same level, because my guess is having sex with another heterosexual wasn't enough to get you thrown out of the military.I'm quite sure that we had gays in the military long before DADT. We disciplined soldiers all the time for inappropriate sexual behavior including adultery and gratuitous public displays of affection. The soldiers, airmen and sailors that couldn't comport themselves appropriately in public were considered to be a distraction and a problem for troop discipline so we had them either shape up or ship out. That applied to banging your girlfriend in the barracks shower too.
The same as a heterosexual, right? And if the heterosexual WAS caught say, I don't know, having a girlfriend, then he would also be thrown out of the military, correct?If a soldier had homosexual relations and never got caught then, for all practical purposes, he wasn't a discipline problem so we just didn't care or, like as not, even know.
The goal was to suppress homosexuality. Don't kid yourself. The goal was about suppressing homosexuality, which was in apparent violation with the ideas of a religious nation. Clinton, who signed it, has said on several occasions DADT was basically the best compromise he could come up with in response to a Congress who wanted to ban homosexuals from the military completely.The goal was always to maintain discipline.
I would agree it's wrong to treat one class of people different from another. Of course, I would have agreed with that sentiment all along. But just as you have, in this very post, rationalized a law which carved out a special niche for gays, it seems kind of strange to be against the idea of other people rationalizing a policy which carves out a special niche for gay as a type of reparation for previous discrimination.This whole idea of carving out special niches for people is TOTALLY contrary to good military discipline and I guarantee you we'll see problems because of it.
I'm quite sure that we had gays in the military long before DADT. We disciplined soldiers all the time for inappropriate sexual behavior including adultery and gratuitous public displays of affection. The soldiers, airmen and sailors that couldn't comport themselves appropriately in public were considered to be a distraction and a problem for troop discipline so we had them either shape up or ship out. That applied to banging your girlfriend in the barracks shower too.
If a soldier had homosexual relations and never got caught then, for all practical purposes, he wasn't a discipline problem so we just didn't care or, like as not, even know. The goal was always to maintain discipline. I'd even go so far as to suggest that if a soldier was "kind of weird" but performed well, maintained discipline and maintained esprit de corps then his "weirdness" was generally overlooked.
This whole idea of carving out special niches for people is TOTALLY contrary to good military discipline and I guarantee you we'll see problems because of it.
Really? You feel so abused and persecuted because gays have to often go to another state to marry and you miss out on the accommadation? That is how you want to present yourself? "Whoa is me who can get married anywhere." Good luck with that pitch.
Now you know how homosexuals felt for 20 years and still feel in parts of the country today. Congratulations, empathy achieved.AM I in the military right now? You better bet your ass I'd be indignant beyond all believe if I was and you got 7 more days to enjoy with your spouse than me.
AM I in the military right now? You better bet your ass I'd be indignant beyond all believe if I was and you got 7 more days to enjoy with your spouse than me.
I think the court of public opinion should be happy that gay folks are still proud to sign up to risk their lives on behalf of all of us despite how many of us think it's okay to treat them like second-class citizens.
I think it speaks volumes that gay folks are still proud to sign up to risk their lives on behalf of all of us despite how many of us think it's okay to treat them like second-class citizens.
Now you know how homosexuals felt for 20 years and still feel in parts of the country today. Congratulations, empathy achieved.
Personally, I'd be indignant beyond all belief if one of the millions of American citizens I keep safe day after day bitched and moaned that I was getting extra time to travel to another state to be recognized as an equal citizen.
To those who are whining about this...would you trade places with a gay person?
and that's the thought process which will never make you equal.
Why one earth would I want to? The main argument of the proponents of this asininity see it as some form of reparation or they view it as a tit for tat, a "see how you like it". Homosexuals want to be treated as equals but then want favored status and special accommodations. You don't assimilate by being treated special.
Why one earth would I want to? The main argument of the proponents of this asininity see it as some form of reparation or they view it as a tit for tat, a "see how you like it". Homosexuals want to be treated as equals but then want favored status and special accommodations. You don't assimilate by being treated special.
Umm...how exactly are you being oppressed?and that's what you're not getting...I shouldn't have to feel that. Because you did doesn't mean that I have to. Whatever transgressions that occurred need to be remedied not heaped onto another.
What you're doing is taking one group and pulling them down, to be like another, an oppressed group. That's slave morality. I'll have no part.
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