But amnesty encourages more illegal immigration. It sends a message that it's okay to sneak in.
The government doesn't have to track them down per se but once they are caught they should be sent back where they came from.
Part of the conditions of amnesty is that you present proof you have been living and/or working in the US at least six months before X date. If you cant, then you aren't eligible.But amnesty encourages more illegal immigration. It sends a message that it's okay to sneak in.
Except we know that doesnt actually do anything.The government doesn't have to track them down per se but once they are caught they should be sent back where they came from.
Because we arent talking about people who robbed a liquor store or sold drugs to tweens.do you support amnesty for all criminals then?
why not make it policy that if you break the law, and can avoid the cops for a week, then you can get off scot free, imagine how much money that'll save.
How do you propose we catch them?
Can you offer a reward greater than the money they save with a disposable workforce? I dont think so. And appealing to the honest nature of private enterprise, to me, seems like trying to drown a fish.impress upon employers the necessity of reporting when illegals inquire for work, give them a reward for every illegal that they catch, something like that, remove the incentive of employment, and they should realise crossing the border won't get them work.
How do you propose we catch them?
Because we arent talking about people who robbed a liquor store or sold drugs to tweens.
Very cozy plan, who do you have plan to pay for it?I worded that wrong. I'm enjoying done beers at the moment.
Basically do what Arizona is trying to do. Which is if some has an encounter with the police they can check immigration status.
Also, the government should be checking work places and editing there aren't illegals employed there. If there are they should be arrested immediately and sent back. The employer should be investigated and if it's found they knew the employee/s were illegal throw them in jail.
Ok, so let's start executing shoplifters. The law is the law and these people are knowingly violating it.i don;t see the difference, the law is still the law, and these people are knowingly violating it.
Can you offer a reward greater than the money they save with a disposable workforce? I dont think so. And appealing to the honest nature of private enterprise, to me, seems like trying to drown a fish.
Capitalism is, by its very nature, dishonest.
Since most of them are already here and working, amnesty wont change very much.so because it won't be 100% effective, you advocate just opening the flood gates, the current unemployment rate in America is 9%, can you imagine how much that would go up if people could just cross the border, gain citizenship and apply for welfare, while the poeople who don't apply for citizenship will still be hired by employers.
And, again, refer to my original list of problems with this scenario:That's why employers that knowingly hire illegals need to be punished and not get a slap on the wrist.
Very cozy plan, who do you have plan to pay for it?
I live in LA, trust me, you're going to need A LOT more boots than ANY government agency has on staff if you want to do anything.
Except they cant do that job.If we stopped these senseless wars and stopped policing the world we could afford it and save money. We'd have our troops in our country. They could be trained to do the job.
Amnesty personally pisses me off. One time my wife and I went to the embassy to look into how to bring her to the states in case we ever want to move back. My kids are dual citizens.
Anyway, I watch these politicians and people support amnesty and WTF?
I have to go through all of this red tape and we have to cough up thousands of dollars for the immigration process yet her husband and kids are American.
Yet some ****ers can illegally sneak in the country and get to stay?
This is unadulterated bull****.
I don't see us moving anytime soon if ever but **** this pisses me off.
You wouldn't believe what they expect. So many thousands in tge bank, a job waiting for you etc etc.
The fact that an illegals get an easier process than somebody with ties to the states is wrong on so many levels.
I'm a supporter of immigration the legal way if the country can support the amount of people but this illegal immigration needs to stop.
Can you offer a reward greater than the money they save with a disposable workforce? I dont think so. And appealing to the honest nature of private enterprise, to me, seems like trying to drown a fish.
Capitalism is, by its very nature, dishonest.
Amnesty personally pisses me off. One time my wife and I went to the embassy to look into how to bring her to the states in case we ever want to move back. My kids are dual citizens.
Anyway, I watch these politicians and people support amnesty and WTF?
I have to go through all of this red tape and we have to cough up thousands of dollars for the immigration process yet her husband and kids are American.
Yet some ****ers can illegally sneak in the country and get to stay?
This is unadulterated bull****.
I don't see us moving anytime soon if ever but **** this pisses me off.
You wouldn't believe what they expect. So many thousands in tge bank, a job waiting for you etc etc.
The fact that an illegals get an easier process than somebody with ties to the states is wrong on so many levels.
I'm a supporter of immigration the legal way if the country can support the amount of people but this illegal immigration needs to stop.
It may not be fair, but it's better and easier than the alternatives.
Realistically, business will never support a crackdown on hiringundocumented workersillegals.
It's political suicide so no one is going to touch it.
It's also political suicide to advocate for a crackdown inundocumented workersillegals themselves.
Considering the money handed out other countries, money handed out for idiotic grants and studies, Cost is not a issue. Its only token raids that are unpopular and and in-effective.Raids are expensive, unpopular, and in-effective.
Sealing the border is an unrealistic idea and it wont actually help as much as people think it will, about half ofundocumented workersillegals came here on student or work visas and overstayed the expiration.
On top of that, you dont actually do anything aboutundocumented workersillegals already IN the states.
Amnesty is probably the best choice, realistically speaking.
Amnesty means the exact opposite because more illegals will flood into the country waiting for their turn at amnesty. When you grant amnesty you encourage more illegal immigration because illegals will have no reason to believe that immigration laws will be enforced when you have token raids on dishonest businesses, the president having his AG sue Arizona for merely enforcing the law and token raids and the border inadequately secured. The only thing that will happen regarding the dishonest scum who hire illegals is that they will replace those who got legal status with new illegals. Some of the reasons dishonest scum hire illegals is because illegals can not demand raises, benefits and other stuff. So it will not stop dishonest scum from hiring illegals.It means we don't have to spend tons of money on law enforcement efforts to track people down and throw them out,
we dont have to try to tiptoe around businesses and endure the economic impact of a price jump, and we gain thousands of new TAX PAYING citizens.
More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.
You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.
The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.
The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.
Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.
At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.
And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ½ hours for an acre of wheat.
The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year — only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.
Eliminating illegal farmworkers, by shrinking the pool of available labor, likely would raise wages for those who remain. Philip Martin, a professor of agricultural economics at the University of California, Davis, noted that two years after the old bracero program ended in 1964, the United Farm Workers union won a 40 percent increase for grape harvesters.
A decade ago, two Iowa State University agricultural economists estimated that removing all illegal farmworkers would raise wages for seasonal farmworkers by 30 percent in the first couple of years, and 15 percent in the medium term.
But supermarket prices of summer-fall fruits and vegetables, they concluded, would rise by just 6 percent in the short run — dropping to 3 percent over time, as imports took up some of the slack and some farmers mechanized their operations or shifted out of labor-intensive crops. (Winter-spring produce would be even less affected, they found, because so much already is imported.)
If illegal workers disappeared from the apple harvest and wages for the remaining legal workers rose by 40 percent in response — and that entire wage increase were passed on to the consumer — that still would add less than 3 cents to the retail price of a pound of apples.
I oppose federal amnesty, albeit for slightly differ reasons, but the effect is the same. I agree that the path to legal immigration should not be more difficult to the path to illegal immigration.
However, I also oppose all of the red tape and hoops your wife has had to jump through to gain and/or retain her legal immigrant status. I think you are very right to be pissed.
I think this ends up increasing illegal immigration and serves a deterrent for legal immigration.
Essentially, if it's easier to come here illegally, then why bother doing it legally?
Amnesty would only make that more of a problem, not less of one. It wouldn't be more difficult to come here illegally due to amnesty. Amnesty is no solution at all.
It's only easier because of our borders. Johnny would have a verrry hard time bringing his wife her illegally. Unless, of course, he brought her through Mexico. Bolded part -- could not agree with you more.
If thats true then why aren't all illegals those who deliberately overstayed their visa?It's far easier to come illegally by airplane and overstay the 90-day vacation visa than it is to cross the border. How do you think most of the Polish/Irish/Italian/Etc illegal immigrants in Chicago got here?
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