Amnesty makes me ANGRY!

[Tucker Case]

If thats true then why aren't all illegals those who deliberately overstayed their visa?

It's easier, but it doesn't make it cheaper. I'd be guessing, but I'd say that is a factor.

Also, one can't really return to their country of origin if they go that route unless they become legal at some point after they get here.

 

[liblady]

The liberals pick and choose their talking points to make amnesty seems like the only logical solution. The fact is that the so called "cheap" illegal labor is only cheap to a few select scumbag industies who employ illegals, while at the same time the "taxpayers" pick up the tag for the baggage that the illegals bring with them. Welfare abuse, anchor baby abuse, ruining the American school system, incarceration of the criminal illegals, depressed wages for CITIZENS, etc., etc., etc. Any pro illegal appologizer on this forum should be pinned down and made to explain how they would benefit from an amnesty.

nice to see you put forward some solutions, instead of smearing liberals. how refreshing.

 

[Rogue]

nice to see you put forward some solutions, instead of smearing liberals. how refreshing.

Since when is the truth about liberals smearing them? You'll never hear an open border activist with an obvious agenda ever say anything else but, "since you can't deport 12 million illegals, you have to give them all amnesty". Why don't you ever hear a liberal talking about enforcing the laws against illegals which would make them go back to where they came from? That's called attritition through enforcement causing self deportation. Oh, was that a solution? No? A solution only counts with liberals if the illegals get to stay, right?

 

[The Giant Noodle]

I went to my local Walmart this weekend. 3 years ago it was a pretty normal place. An occasional polish immigrant. NOW..... wall to wall mexicans and NONE of them were speaking English.
Worse yet... no attractive women! All short & round beach-balls that were the opposite of Eva Longoria! If illegals are going to invade my community.... and steal my tax dollars and work here then send their money back to mexico..... they should at least be attractive. yeeeesh.

 

[Rogue]

I went to my local Walmart this weekend. 3 years ago it was a pretty normal place. An occasional polish immigrant. NOW..... wall to wall mexicans and NONE of them were speaking English.
Worse yet... no attractive women! All short & round beach-balls that were the opposite of Eva Longoria! If illegals are going to invade my community.... and steal my tax dollars and work here then send their money back to mexico..... they should at least be attractive. yeeeesh.

A whole lot of unwanted uninvited illegal hispanic future democratic voter if amnestied border jumpers, huh? The radical marxist amnesty progressive democratic politicians currently in control of Congress will take anyone into the democratic party if it keeps them in power won't they. By the way, there are a lot of younger pretty good looking mexican women around, but a steady diet of mexican food eventually turns them all into porkers.

 

[the makeout hobo]

A whole lot of unwanted uninvited illegal hispanic future democratic voter if amnestied border jumpers, huh? The radical marxist amnesty progressive democratic politicians currently in control of Congress will take anyone into the democratic party if it keeps them in power won't they. By the way, there are a lot of younger pretty good looking mexican women around, but a steady diet of mexican food eventually turns them all into porkers.

The democrats aren't marxist, please stop using that word so erroneously.

 

[Rogue]

The democrats aren't marxist, please stop using that word so erroneously.

You're saying that there aren't any marxists in maobama's regime? What do you call the radical far left progressives then?

 

[the makeout hobo]

You're saying that there aren't any marxists in maobama's regime? What do you call the radical far left progressives then?

Liberals. Which is distinct from marxists. You're not a fascist or an anarchist, I'm not a marxist, let's all grow up

 

[Rogue]

Liberals. Which is distinct from marxists. You're not a fascist or an anarchist, I'm not a marxist, let's all grow up

So the communist party hasn't infiltrated the democratic socialist party? There just aren't any marxist/communist/socialists in the democratic socialist party at all? Wow. Now who would have guessed that?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

How do you propose we catch them?

Using computer records, identify the employers hiring Invaders and arrest them.

This isn't the 20th Century, it is possible to find the enemy.

 

[the makeout hobo]

So the communist party hasn't infiltrated the democratic socialist party? There just aren't any marxist/communist/socialists in the democratic socialist party at all? Wow. Now who would have guessed that?

I have no idea what's going on in the "democratic socialist" party, as I am a member of the Democratic Party, not the Democratic Socialist Party. Why are you even asking me about a party I'm not in?

 

[the makeout hobo]

Using computer records, identify the employers hiring Invaders and arrest them.

This isn't the 20th Century, it is possible to find the enemy.

A lot of this would be very labor intensive and would likely require warrents. I think people understate the magnitude of all this.

 

[Rogue]

I have no idea what's going on in the "democratic socialist" party, as I am a member of the Democratic Party, not the Democratic Socialist Party. Why are you even asking me about a party I'm not in?

Hmmm. Since the democratic party took it's radical swing to the far left it's been known unofficially as the "democratic socialist party", by everyone else except those in the democratic party? Strange.

 

[Hoplite]

What is hard about having the police check the legal status of anyone they pull over, have the DMV or some other tax payer funded service check the legal status of anyone applying for a license, car tag, food handlers permit, welfare and etc, and what the hell is so hard having more guards on the border, better yet put the military on the border seeing how border defense is a military job.

As I have explained before, time and time again, the military is not authorized to act as border patrol in a domestic capacity. Additionally, there are already dozens of checks in various systems for legal status.

I'm not in favor of having police check the legal status of anyone they pull over because people have a right not to be hassled simply for the way they look. It goes along the same lines as "Why dont we have cops just drug test everyone they pull over?"

Only the dishonest ones will oppose a crackdown of hiring illegals.

Free enterprise, on the large scale, is dishonest by nature.

Its political suicide to grant amnesty to illegals.

Reagan did it and there are still Conservatives jerking off to the thought of his presidency.

Most Americans are against illegal immigration,so no its not political suicide to support a crack down of illegals.

Being against undocumented immigration is not the same as supporting a campaign of workplace raids and kicking down people's doors.

Considering the money handed out other countries, money handed out for idiotic grants and studies, Cost is not a issue. Its only token raids that are unpopular and and in-effective.

Cost IS an issue. Your rather meaningless value judgement of science funding doesnt actually matter as much as you think it does.

So sealing the border will stop most of the illegals who cross into this country illegally. You do not leave the faucet running at full blast just because there there might be a a little leak. A simple solution for stopping those who deliberately overstay their visa is to cut off the countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with until the problem is fixed.

My point is it's a token effort that wont really stop the problem. People here are talking like all we have to do is seal the border, and all will be right with the world when in reality there are so many other ways into this country it's ridiculous.

Besides hopping the border, many immigrants come here via ship (especially popular with Asian immigrants) or go into Canada and cross the northern border.

There is also the marriage route, always fun

• mail-order bride arrangements;
• phony arranged marriages (as opposed to legitimate arranged marriages in cultures that practice them);
• arrangements in which the American resident is paid;
• human trafficking or other exploitation of the new immigrant by the American partner; and
• "heartbreaker" partners who trick American spouses into believing a marriage is genuine, when their true intention is to obtain a green card.

It keeps more people from coming into the country illegally. As for doing something about the illegals in the US we can do a combination of what Oklahoma and Arizona has done. Which is deny tax payer funded services to illegals such welfare, section 8 housing food stamps, drivers licenses, permits, id, food handlers permits any anything else issued by the state, require businesses on the local level to use the e-verify system, make it a felony on the state level to employ,house,transport or aid illegals in any way.

Yeah and it's worked BRILLIANTLY, hasnt it?

Sealing the borders and massive round ups are not the only solutions to illegal immigration,which has been said numerous times in many threads discussing illegal immigration. I guess if pro-illegals have try to perpetuate this myth that mass round ups and sealing the border are the only solutions in order to push for amnesty and swinging the door wide open on the border.

The only other options I've seen presented are either completely unrealistic or just cripplingly naieve.

Price jumps are nothing more than scare tactics of pro-illegals. Labor legal or illegal has little to do with the price of goods.
Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper

Mmm, see it's not quite that simple
http://www.americanprogress.org/kf/deporting_the_undocumented.pdf

So the communist party hasn't infiltrated the democratic socialist party?

Having actually been a member of the CPUSA, no, they havent.

There just aren't any marxist/communist/socialists in the democratic socialist party at all? Wow. Now who would have guessed that?

In the REAL Democratic Socialist party, I'm sure there are. In the Democratic party, no, there really arent.

Using computer records, identify the employers hiring Invaders and arrest them.

This isn't the 20th Century, it is possible to find the enemy.

That's frighteningly fascist-sounding

 

[the makeout hobo]

Hmmm. Since the democratic party took it's radical swing to the far left it's been known unofficially as the "democratic socialist party", by everyone else except those in the democratic party? Strange.

Except no one but extreme partisans and ideologues with poor debate skills call it the "democratic socialist party", especially since the DPS is a distinct actual party. And no, the Democratic Party has not been infiltrated by marxists. There may be a few marxists that have used their freedom of association to join the party, but if there are, they're few and far between and have no voice or leadership in the party. Just like the racists and fascists in the GOP.

 

[Tucker Case]

Hmmm. Since the democratic party took it's radical swing to the far left it's been known unofficially as the "democratic socialist party", by everyone else except those in the democratic party? Strange.

I'm not in the Democratic party and I don't know it as the democratic socialist party.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Liberals. Which is distinct from marxists. You're not a fascist or an anarchist, I'm not a marxist, let's all grow up

Yeah, obama is a hybrid of marxism, maoism, etc. So, technically, you're correct. However, he IS a socialist, and that's the root of all evil in the world today. And it explains his support of amnesty and his rabid fear of using the word "amnesty".

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

It's far easier to come illegally by airplane and overstay the 90-day vacation visa than it is to cross the border. How do you think most of the Polish/Irish/Italian/Etc illegal immigrants in Chicago got here?

AND if any illegal mick gets stopped for speeding through Arizona, he'll get hauled off to jail for deportation like any mexican invader would, too.

Being an invader is already a crime. Its time the government stopped interfering with law enforcement agencies who have the weird belief that their job is to enforce the law.

 

[Hoplite]

Yeah, obama is a hybrid of marxism, maoism, etc. So, technically, you're correct. However, he IS a socialist, and that's the root of all evil in the world today. And it explains his support of amnesty and his rabid fear of using the word "amnesty".

Wow...that...you have NO idea what you're talking about, do you? I mean like NO idea, not even an outline or cliff notes.

Marxism and Maoism are basically mutually exclusive ideologies, you cant be both.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

A lot of this would be very labor intensive and would likely require warrents. I think people understate the magnitude of all this.

Funny thing about computers, as most people who've used on knows.

You only have to tell the computer that "A2 divided by (b2 x $c$1) - 1 " equals the margin of safety once, and then copy it down for 16000 rows, if you want. The computer does all the work.

For today's day and age...

All LEGAL residents have their Socialist Security Number in the 'puters, along with their address and full employment history.
All LEGAL residents have their tax returns, which includes their SSN, in the 'puters, along with their address and other identifying info.
All LEGAL residents with drivers licences have their current address and their SSN, and biometric ID info, including thumbprinting and their need for glasses.
All LEGAL residents have a credit history that references their SSN, their addresses, and their spending habits.
All LEGAL residents that have cars have that information in the national databases, also.
All LEGAL residents that have telephones have their SSN's and credit histories attached to their phone use data, as well as their residences.
All LEGAL residents who have cable TV or other non-broadcast recievers, have that information tied to their SSN and credit history as well.
All LEGAL residents accessing the internet have their ISP tracking them.
All LEGAL residents who have bank accounts have their SSN's on record as well as all of their non-cash purchases.
All LEGAL residents from foreign nations have their information on line with the US State Department.

ALL that data is in the computers right now.

Writing the program to connect employee applicant Joe Blomez with the SSN he provides and his given address and other info is a matter of writing a computer program and getting out of the way. The Invader leaves a footprint, too, but it's his lack of a legitimate lawful footprint that can be best used to find and arrest the criminal alien.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Wow...that...you have NO idea what you're talking about, do you? I mean like NO idea, not even an outline or cliff notes.

Marxism and Maoism are basically mutually exclusive ideologies, you cant be both.

If you're arguing that the Messiah isn't socialist, if your arguing that the Democrats aren't socialist, then, yes, you have no idea what I'm talking about because you don't want to know the truth.

Socialism is socialism, the diseased branches of the diseased tree are equally diseased and no amount of grafting onto other trees will stop the spread of the disease of socialism.

Ultimately it's what we have bullets for.

 

[Hoplite]

If you're arguing that the Messiah isn't socialist, if your arguing that the Democrats aren't socialist, then, yes, you have no idea what I'm talking about because you don't want to know the truth.

Spoken from true conspiracy theory logic.

Socialism is socialism

No, no it isnt.

the diseased branches of the diseased tree are equally diseased and no amount of grafting onto other trees will stop the spread of the disease of socialism.

Ultimately it's what we have bullets for.

Your Fascist leanings are noted.

 

[the makeout hobo]

Yeah, obama is a hybrid of marxism, maoism, etc. So, technically, you're correct. However, he IS a socialist, and that's the root of all evil in the world today. And it explains his support of amnesty and his rabid fear of using the word "amnesty".

He is not a marxist, a maoist, a socialist, or anything in between. His healthcare plan, for instance, was closest to that of Nixon's for crying out loud. Amnesty was first enacted by Reagan. He is a moderate liberal, he believes in a mixed economy that features free enterprise with government regulation. He didn't even enact a public option, for crying out loud. Stop pretending words mean whatever you want them to mean.

 

[the makeout hobo]

AND if any illegal mick gets stopped for speeding through Arizona, he'll get hauled off to jail for deportation like any mexican invader would, too.

Being an invader is already a crime. Its time the government stopped interfering with law enforcement agencies who have the weird belief that their job is to enforce the law.

Do you really think they're going to pull over some person with blue eyes and red hair and think to ask them for proof of citizenship? i somehow doubt that this will be applied to non brown people.

 

[the makeout hobo]

Funny thing about computers, as most people who've used on knows.

You only have to tell the computer that "A2 divided by (b2 x $c$1) - 1 " equals the margin of safety once, and then copy it down for 16000 rows, if you want. The computer does all the work.

For today's day and age...

All LEGAL residents have their Socialist Security Number in the 'puters, along with their address and full employment history.
All LEGAL residents have their tax returns, which includes their SSN, in the 'puters, along with their address and other identifying info.
All LEGAL residents with drivers licences have their current address and their SSN, and biometric ID info, including thumbprinting and their need for glasses.
All LEGAL residents have a credit history that references their SSN, their addresses, and their spending habits.
All LEGAL residents that have cars have that information in the national databases, also.
All LEGAL residents that have telephones have their SSN's and credit histories attached to their phone use data, as well as their residences.
All LEGAL residents who have cable TV or other non-broadcast recievers, have that information tied to their SSN and credit history as well.
All LEGAL residents accessing the internet have their ISP tracking them.
All LEGAL residents who have bank accounts have their SSN's on record as well as all of their non-cash purchases.
All LEGAL residents from foreign nations have their information on line with the US State Department.

ALL that data is in the computers right now.

Writing the program to connect employee applicant Joe Blomez with the SSN he provides and his given address and other info is a matter of writing a computer program and getting out of the way. The Invader leaves a footprint, too, but it's his lack of a legitimate lawful footprint that can be best used to find and arrest the criminal alien.

Those programs aren't all tied together. We're talking about several different unconnected computer networks. Furthermore, much of that information is confidential... you can't access it without violating my right to privacy or nondisclosure agreements made by those companies and entities. Not that you seem to care about peoples' rights.