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Exactly. Playing obtuse games and hating "the left" is all that defines you people anymore.
The Obama administration allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire on the wealthy in 2013. Afterward, we seen true deficit reduction as revenues grew and temporary government stimulus measures waned.
I agree that the only way to get a spending freeze is through bipartisanship. The Dem's wont do it on their own.
Ha... imagine that, facts are just a bunch of liberal bull****.
Nope.
You've not been able to demonstrate this claim.
My knowledge and familiarity of data and analytics is exponentially superior to that of yours. It's not even a question.
Are you saying that there wasn't record state and local revenue in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016?
:lamo
This is your warped logic. Nominal GDP growth fell from $1060 billion in 2018 to $848 billion in 2019. So by your warped logic, are we to claim the economy is doing poorly? That's been your (weak) mantra for roughly a year, when the Trump economy failed to achieve the 3% real GDP growth figure that you and all the Trump bots were projecting. After he failed you, this new shift to nominal GDP was the norm.
What do you have to say for yourself?
Yes, we agree HOWEVER that isn't what the left is even addressing as all the blame is being placed on the President. What the left is ignoring are the return on investment that American people are receiving because of the Trump economy vs. what they received prior. The point remains, it isn't the Trump spending causing the problems it is the entitlement and debt service.
The failure on your end in this regard is that everyone shares the same criteria for what drives them to the polls. Everything from ideology, to likability play factors in how people vote. You tend to project your values on everyone and assume all must think the same.
See? You present four examples of that partisan nonsense you cling to:
1) "The Left, the Left, the left!" Strange that you complain about "the left" placing all blame on the President, when for eight years (2008-2016) you people spent enormous energy seeking to place all blame on the President. If I turn FOX News on right now, will I see them feeding you this BS? The reason you continue to prove clueless is that you are stuck within the partisan game that the GOP and FOX News insists upon you.
2) Trump is not to blame for 2019's 2.3% or 2.1% (depending on how you look at it). He is merely the President at the time, which means whatever he does will only slightly hurt or only slightly improve, but nothing that will promote him as the economic Savior you people want him to be. But since you have spent years seeking ways to place the economy's recovery into solely Obama's pocket, while ignoring the GOP's officially documented conduct to actually obstruct that recovery, you are stuck having to defend Trump, who is not solely responsible for the economy. A history lesson should suffice: After the Great Depression got underway, Roosevelt and Congress began creating a safety net to inject confidence into the capitalist and democratic system. This did not fix the problem. Still, we needed a World War that demanded massive cash injections into the national system and to correct the economic melt down across Europe that hurt our recovery. Funny how we continue to use Defense to do this.
3) The use of "entitlements" is a Democrat mistake that feeds into the GOP's propaganda against "socialism," in which Conservatives don't even bother to look up. Since you pay taxes, and these taxes should be about the people, Democrats should call them "earned benefits." Perhaps the greatest display of partisan ignorance in our country comes from the fact that half of those who receive government-sponsored health care and retirement in their old age are Conservatives who are outraged about "socialism" and "entitlements."
It is, but not by much anymore on average. Excluding the recession Obama averaged 2.1%. Trump is at 2.5%. And we got it while having lower taxes on everyone and corporations.
But cut everything. You name it, Ill cut it. Lets start with a 10% across the board cut. Or just no spending increases for 5 years. Or pick anything in here that cuts spending. Im ok with even a gradual decrease over time so long as we actually get there, start to pay of the debt and stay there.
Options for Reducing the Deficit: 2019 to 2028 | Congressional Budget Office
My point exactly, 1.9 to 2.4 in 8 years vs. 2.4 to almost 2.8 in 3 years. Thank you for posting data with actual numbers. You like the slope but ignore the numbers
And yet you still don't get it, Nominal dollars mean nothing to people living for today.
Again 3% growth doesn't resonate with the American people but more personal income, more state and local spending, more charitable giving does as does the trillion dollars in GDP Growth
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Are you really this ignorant? Let me translate: nominal dollars or current dollars are what you like to call GDP dollars. Real GDP is adjusted for inflation. I made no reference to rGDP. You've just shown to everyone in this thread that you don't understand the terminology... and that's a signal that these discussions are well above your head.
Nominal GDP growth (or dollar growth as you say) fell from $1.06 billion to $848 billion in 2019. When that happened in 2016, you claimed the economy was lousy. What do you have to say for yourself?
You're confused.
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product [Billions of dollars] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates Bureau of Economic Analysis Last Revised on: January 30, 2020 - Next Release Date February 27, 2020 Line 2017 2018 2019 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 1 Gross domestic product 19190.4 19356.6 19611.7 19918.9 20163.2 20510.2 20749.8 20897.8 21098.8 21340.3 21542.5 21734.3
55% apparently do share the same ideology because it is money that puts food on the table, clothes on the backs, and a roof over their head. The fact that you are well off seems to not give you a lot of credibility when it comes to others. It is interesting however how dependence doesn't resonate with you with all that so called spending in the name of compassion. Is it truly compassionate making people dependent or allowing them to keep more of what they earn so they can create their own compassion?
No, the problem is you cannot even read your own line graphs showing dollars.
You seem to be very confused as your line graphs support me not you
Do you ever address the actual results or simply post left wing talking points? Tax cuts for the rich???? Why do you give a damn...
Money does put food on the table, but as always you ignore all other aspects of why people vote for leaders. There have been very few points in this country's history where one leader has been responsible for people not having money to put food on the table and any of the other necessities. By your standard, I shouldn't bother voting because all past presidents have not stood in the way of either my parents or myself from putting food on the table, keep a roof over our heads, or keep clothes on our backs. That I'm doing well off now makes me appreciate the sacrifices my parents made to raise us in a high crime environment. They did everything they could to reinforce good values, and spent much of what they earned on private schooling. I worked my way through college, and what's interesting to see now is how hard that would be to do nowadays.
Your whole premise on dependence is pretty flawed; an extreme idea that any assistance makes every single person dependent to the point they're not competitive. That's a position not supported in reality since many of the other industrialized nations in the world manage to fund some of the life essentials without creating a populace of uncompetitive zombies. Now, if the money people got to keep would help in any significant way toward affordable healthcare or college costs etc., then I would agree it makes sense to avoid publicly funded assistance for some necessities. However, since the average amount the middle class is keeping as a result of the tax cut (~$1,000) is not going to do that, you have to question how that helps in the broader perspective.
First, I never hinge on mere talking points. That is ignorant. That isn't really even your shtick. Your shtick is that you present the manipulated garbage and avoidance distractions that is filtered through FOX News personalities and right-wing propaganda. I clearly, and very obviously, make the proper factual arguments that even you should be making. Instead, you cling to "socialism" and "the left" (and others) and push realty through a right-wing prism in order to create a world-view that satisfies you.
Second, I care because I understand that economic disparity is a major ingredient to failed states in history. Maybe instead of enjoying Trump's "**** hole" comment, you should actually look into what has helped make them the ****-holes that they are. The GOP's driving goal for decades has been to promote more and more economic disparity because their entire purpose is to please their benefactors. While you are at it, you might want to look up these **** hole's populist leaders who raged (and rage) against the media, the "deep state," and how all other politicians are enemies of the constitution that needs "protection."
Ultimately, I care because I am one of the few remaining Americans who actually cares about my country's well being. The reason you can't fathom such a sentiment is because you are a right-wing "chicken hawk" who's entire sense of winning is based on the idea that the GOP "wins," no matter the cost. You elected a draft-dodging elitist who promised to "drain the swamp," while raging against the media and other politicians, and who went on to greatly increase the revenue of the wealthy at the expense of the Middle Class.
Populist = A person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
Demagogue = A political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.
In the meantime, he has bumbled his way through a contradictory and in-comprehensive Foreign Policy. He has done all of this, because he tapped into your created irrational emotions about "the left" and has held them. And as history has shown us, Conservatives, even American ones, have the tendency to promote their own selfish wants above all else. However, today's American Conservative is so ate up with bitter irrational hatred (like early twentieth-century Germans) that they haven't the time to discover that the GOP is no longer a Conservative Party that represents them; it is a radical right-wing Party that caters to the wealthy while inciting your confused and misguided rage.
READ. READ. READ.
The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted
How Democracies Die
Why the West Rules--for Now: The Patterns of History, and What They Reveal About the Future
Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis
Death of Democracy
How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them
Perhaps if you read, you would care to.
No, the problem is you cannot even read your own line graphs showing dollars. You seem to be very confused as your line graphs support me not you. As for dollar growth, that is a lie, it has not fallen to 848 billion as the 21.7 trillion economy shows growth of 837 billion dollars
People voting on a President for local issues is a mistake the left keep selling. Our President is responsible for two major issues, PROVIDING FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE and PROMOTING DOMESTIC WELFARE. On both issues Trump is succeeding
What you don't understand is the role of the state and local governments along with the personal responsibility of the American people that is boosted by keeping more of what they earn
I'm unaware of anyone who "literally foamed at the mouth", but then I don't really let people like that worry me, so...
That's why you take leadership. When you define the technology, you define it in ways that benefit yourself. In practical terms, corporate chieftains meet and work with the appropriate government agencies and leadership to define a geo-economical-political-strategic-security advantage. This is done strategically.It's been a boondoggle so far, because the technology wasn't there. Political hacks and extremists pushing for stuff that isn't technically ready. That's not how to be profitable. That's why the free market approach works, and the socialist approach doesn't.
What you don't understand is the role of the state and local governments along with the personal responsibility of the American people that is boosted by keeping more of what they earn
It's been a boondoggle so far, because the technology wasn't there. Political hacks and extremists pushing for stuff that isn't technically ready. That's not how to be profitable. That's why the free market approach works, and the socialist approach doesn't.
What makes you think cutting Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, SNAP, etc. by 10% so that we can fund tax-cuts to corporations and billionaires is good policy?
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