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Americans - would you support single-payer?

Would you support a single payer system in the US?

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craig said:
Yes if you can get rid of all the money grubbing middle men like insurance companies. The middle men are why health care is so expensive in the US.
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Lawyers! The amount doctors and hospitals have to pay insurance companies is obscene.
 
EdwinWillers said:
I know we do - doesn't make it right, or constitutional - or even efficient and economical.
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It is all of the above. It’s perfectly constitutional. It’s orders of magnitude more efficient and economical. Single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of the US for profit system.
 
cpwill said:
Sorry, I was unclear.

The reason this isn't apples to apples is that the U.S. counts premie deaths (which make up a majority of such cases) and other nations do not.

So, for example, if 1 out of 10,000 U.S births were a premie child who was lost, we would report an infant mortality death rate of .01%. In comparison, should, say, Germany lose 2 premies out of 10,000, they will report an infant death rate of 0% despite losing twice as many actual children.




I've done TriCare and the VA. Both do indeed work as designed - badly.
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Canada counts mortality the same as the US.

Life expectancy from birth:
US 77.28
Canada 81.75
 
cpwill said:
Hong Kongs' is attractive, but, I'm not sure Americans are down for being made responsible for family members.
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Maybe another example is more attractive.
cpwill said:
The problem with applying those systems is that we have an American government, and populace.
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Are you assuming that most Americans would be against taking health insurance out of corporate hands?
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm saying that when health care is expensive it's sometimes not an option, or it's opted against.
Do you think the cost of health care isn't a factor in average longevity?
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No I do not think it is a material reason.
 
rahl said:
It is all of the above. It’s perfectly constitutional. It’s orders of magnitude more efficient and economical. Single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of the US for profit system.
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100% agree. The real reason the GOP won't ever consider it is because health insurers, hospitals, pharma all buy their votes through lobbying. Disallow health industry donations and single payer will pass.
 
Allan said:
No. For example if an American needs medical care in Canada they have to pay for it
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So single payer in America would be a killer for middle class Americans. That is why so many buy supplemental insurance when they have Medicare.
 
Ishm said:
Based on the norm in other countries, no it wouldn't cover non-Americans and travellers should carry insurance. In the country I am in working right now I can pay my UHC 'taxes' plus but incredibly comprehensive insurance with almost zero deductibles for less than the cost of buying inferior insurance in the US. One of the often misunderstood points is that UHC drives down the cost of even private health care in that country.
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So illegal immigrants could not go to a hospital if needed?
 
washunut said:
So single payer in America would be a killer for middle class Americans. That is why so many buy supplemental insurance when they have Medicare.
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You would still be able to buy supplemental insurance which is true in UHC countries around the world too.
 
Grand Mal said:
What's your guess?
America is the richest country in the world, right? Why do so many poorer countries live longer?
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My guess. Guns, gangs, drugs, lifestyle (obesity) are bigger killers than the cost.
 
washunut said:
So single payer in America would be a killer for middle class Americans. That is why so many buy supplemental insurance when they have Medicare.
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The great mistake was allowing insurance companies into Medicare.
 
jakiejakester said:
You would still be able to buy supplemental insurance which is true in UHC countries around the world too.
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That is what I originally asked. Someone I thought said no.
 
jakiejakester said:
So you're saying that if healthcare were much more affordable more people would not participate? That is the opposite of the truth.
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Did I say that? Don't think so.
 
rahl said:
It is all of the above. It’s perfectly constitutional. It’s orders of magnitude more efficient and economical. Single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of the US for profit system.
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An opinion I don't share.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I've rarely had need of medical assistance, mostly (IMO) because I don't have a lot of "vices" that lead to poor health.

1. I don't smoke. (Nothing, so don't ask if that includes "preferred drugs").

2. I don't drink alcohol of any kind. To be honest it all tastes terrible, and if it tastes bad I figured it's not that good for you.

3. I avoid foods that are full of processed sugars (no candy, no confections, and no soft drinks).

4. I don't do any "recreational drugs."

I have annual physicals at the V.A. and pass them all with flying colors. That is literally the only "medical visits" I've had in decades.

I am not sure I support massive government programs of most kinds, but especially those that give people a false sense of security allowing them to think they can "party on," and someone will come take care of them.
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If you get physicals at the VA then you already have government subsidized healthcare. Can you be any more of a hypocrite than getting VA care but opposing single payer healthcare for those of us who do not?


Yes, I support single payer (medicare for all) and I have for 20+ years.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I've rarely had need of medical assistance, mostly (IMO) because I don't have a lot of "vices" that lead to poor health.

1. I don't smoke. (Nothing, so don't ask if that includes "preferred drugs").

2. I don't drink alcohol of any kind. To be honest it all tastes terrible, and if it tastes bad I figured it's not that good for you.

3. I avoid foods that are full of processed sugars (no candy, no confections, and no soft drinks).

4. I don't do any "recreational drugs."

I have annual physicals at the V.A. and pass them all with flying colors. That is literally the only "medical visits" I've had in decades.

I am not sure I support massive government programs of most kinds, but especially those that give people a false sense of security allowing them to think they can "party on," and someone will come take care of them.
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How ridiculous to hear a VA patient bitch about single payer --- OR socialized medicine for that matter.
Cancel your VA healthcare immediately. Show us the strength of your convictions if you're such a square jawed opponent of "massive government programs".
Of those, by the way, single payer is the least invasive because it's just who PAYS for the private sector medical care, whereas your VA healthcare IS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE a la the British NHS, it's nearest "cousin".

PS: I got nothin but love for the VA, they have saved Karen's life eight times.

Karen VA first day.webp
 
Yes, I do.

You have arguably the best facilities in the world, spend almost double on health care to similar countries, lead in medical science and innovation and yet still the population is passing away at such a young age.

It's just incredibly sad the people don't have access to health care in a more affordable and timely manner.

I don't understand the reluctance to change when what you have now is clearly not working.
 
washunut said:
My guess. Guns, gangs, drugs, lifestyle (obesity) are bigger killers than the cost.
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Contributers, no doubt, but other violent countries rank higher. Brasil, for example.
Obesity is an odd one. Is that due to inactivity?
 
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