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America Was NOT Founded On Christian Principles

But this prayer cannot be seen as favoring any particular religion.
I more or less agree. There are a multitude of religious factions in the US, however all support the same God. Praying to that God does not necessarily favor for instance, Baptist over Catholic, etc.
A teacher cannot lead a specific religion's prayer even if no one objects.
See above.
 
No...it does not. It simply means the US will not establish a state religion, like Great Britain had or Iran currently has.

Yes it does, because it includes the government not giving the appearance of endorsing a religion through any actions it takes.
 
I more or less agree. There are a multitude of religious factions in the US, however all support the same God. Praying to that God does not necessarily favor for instance, Baptist over Catholic, etc.

See above.

No, they don't all support the same god and this should not be assumed at all.

Plus, it has nothing to do with the students giving approval.
 
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Sharia law would be a clear violation of the first amendment. If we allowed sharia law even on one community, we would at some level be a clerical state. And what Christian children are doing the same thing?

It’s always funny watching how horrified the conservatives who don’t have a problem with Christians imposing their religion on everyone else get when it dawns on them that by their “logic”, other religions could do the exact same thing 😂

Hate to break it to you but if it’s okay for Christians to impose their beliefs on others and scrap the separation of church and state, then the same applies for sharia law.
 
Like I said, that's a personal failing then. Anyone who can maintain reasoned thought and recognize their beliefs are just theirs and that it's just a belief, can keep it separate.
Religious beliefs are part of who a person is. It's not nearly so easy as you claim to remove what you believe from who you are and how you behave. It's clear that a great number of those who traveled to and settled in the colonies and the eventual new nation did in fact come because of the strongly and obviously held religious opportunities. Those feelings permeate everything about this nation from it's founding to it's governance. No, that doesn't mean everyone believes the same things. It does mean that the religious beliefs are strong and serve as foundations for the traditions, beliefs, actions and laws that have followed. Even if you are not a person of faith those who are have clearly affected you and your life, just as you affect those of faith.
I have read numerous opinions of those who say America is not founded on religious belief or principles. Many of those reference Thomas Jefferson as not being a man influenced by this religious fervor. Yet that is not true at all. Jefferson stated that the teachings of Jesus strongly influenced him.
"Although he was critical of established religion, Jefferson makes frequent reference to his belief in the One Creator. It is clear that he held a firm belief in God, even if this God was not in the traditional image of God. Jefferson also believed that Jesus Christ was one of the greatest moral philosophers. Jefferson actually went so far as to create his own version of the Bible, which just consisted of the actual words of Jesus Christ."
He says of theThe Jefferson Bible:

“ Is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw.”
 
Religious beliefs are part of who a person is. It's not nearly so easy as you claim to remove what you believe from who you are and how you behave. It's clear that a great number of those who traveled to and settled in the colonies and the eventual new nation did in fact come because of the strongly and obviously held religious opportunities. Those feelings permeate everything about this nation from it's founding to it's governance. No, that doesn't mean everyone believes the same things. It does mean that the religious beliefs are strong and serve as foundations for the traditions, beliefs, actions and laws that have followed. Even if you are not a person of faith those who are have clearly affected you and your life, just as you affect those of faith.
I have read numerous opinions of those who say America is not founded on religious belief or principles. Many of those reference Thomas Jefferson as not being a man influenced by this religious fervor. Yet that is not true at all. Jefferson stated that the teachings of Jesus strongly influenced him.
"Although he was critical of established religion, Jefferson makes frequent reference to his belief in the One Creator. It is clear that he held a firm belief in God, even if this God was not in the traditional image of God. Jefferson also believed that Jesus Christ was one of the greatest moral philosophers. Jefferson actually went so far as to create his own version of the Bible, which just consisted of the actual words of Jesus Christ."
He says of theThe Jefferson Bible:


Still a failing then, as I said. Individual beliefs and religion are just that, Individual. That does not mean everyone or the whole is based on religion, nor should be.
 
You lack the foggiest idea what you are talking about. There is nothing in the 1st amendment that prohibits religion in government. It only prohibits the US government from establishing an official state sanctioned religion, in effect prohibiting us from becoming a clerical state.
The Establishment Clause creates a clear wall of separation between religion and government. How do you not know this?

If we all have equal religious and secular rights to live as we choose then it is not possible that the government can support religion over nonbelief or pick and choose one religion or sect to enforce or legislate with laws. How many times does this need to be explained to you and other conservatives before it sinks in?

The Establishment Clause clearly mandates that the government at all levels must be neutral on the issues of religious belief. Keep your myths to yourself or we start to force to you to obey the laws of religions other than your own.
 
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The Establishment Clause creates a clear wall of separation between religion and government. How do you not know this?
I'm guessing willful ignorance.
 
The Establishment Clause creates a clear wall of separation between religion and government. How do you not know this?
Simply not true, at least as you think you understand it. There is no wall between government and religion. There is only that the government cannot establish a state religion, force anyone to practice religion, or deny anyone the right to do so.
 
Simply not true, at least as you think you understand it. There is no wall between government and religion. There is only that the government cannot establish a state religion, force anyone to practice religion, or deny anyone the right to do so.
You're only half correct. There clearly is a wall of separation and you have not proven otherwise.
 
Simply not true, at least as you think you understand it. There is no wall between government and religion. There is only that the government cannot establish a state religion, force anyone to practice religion, or deny anyone the right to do so.
If it is legislating religious belief then the state is practicing a religion. How do you not see this?

The state will force you to obey the dogma of Islam, Pagans, or the Satanists as secular law instead of your own religious beliefs or face a fine/jail time? Your church will be required to preach the beliefs of other religions or it will be shut down by the state.
 
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If it is legislating religious belief then the state is practicing a religion. How do you not see this?
Who says the government is legislating belief? Where do you and Gordy come up with this nonsense>
The state will force you to obey the dogma of Islam, Pagans, or the Satanists as secular law instead of your own religious beliefs or face a fine/jail time? Your church will be required to preach the beliefs of other religions or it will be shut down by the state.
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You're only half correct. There clearly is a wall of separation and you have not proven otherwise.
I am getting bored with repeating myself, however there is no wall of separation between church and state...only that the government cannot establish a religion and in effect become a clerical state.
 
I more or less agree. There are a multitude of religious factions in the US, however all support the same God. Praying to that God does not necessarily favor for instance, Baptist over Catholic, etc.

See above.
Hindus don’t count?
 
Who says the government is legislating belief? Where do you and Gordy come up with this nonsense>

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Conservatives routinely try and legislate their beliefs. Same sex marriage, sodomy laws, alcohol sales “blue laws,” the current attempts to ban contraceptives, etc.
 
I am getting bored with repeating myself, however there is no wall of separation between church and state...only that the government cannot establish a religion and in effect become a clerical state.
Repeating yourself is all you're doing. What you're not doing is proving your claim, much less refuting mine.
 
Who says the government is legislating belief? Where do you and Gordy come up with this nonsense>

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You are the one that wants to support your religion with legislation and the power of the government. Pray in private and on your own time, as Jesus says to do, or would obeying Jesus be a violation of your Christian beliefs?.

Matthew 6:6-7.
 
I am getting bored with repeating myself, however there is no wall of separation between church and state...only that the government cannot establish a religion and in effect become a clerical state.
Tom Jefferson and Jim Madison said that there is. That is what the Establusgmnent Clause does. You have heard of Tommy and James, haven't you? This letter by Jefferson has been used by the courts to define the Establishment Clause for over 120 years. Obviously, Jefferson understood what the 1st amendment was to mean because he and Madison wrote it.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.


I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.


Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Quotes on the issues by James Madison,




I doubt that you are cable of reading and understanding Madison's treatise on the subject of separation of church and state, but I'll post it anyhow.

Memorial and Remonstrance against religious assessments.
 
Has anyone admitted that the UNITED STATES was NOT founded on Atheistic principles?
 
Has anyone admitted that the UNITED STATES was NOT founded on Atheistic principles?
No one ever made such a claim. Not even atheists. But it wasn't fouded on "Christian principles" either. BTW, what exactly are "atheist principles."
 
No one ever made such a claim. Not even atheists. But it wasn't fouded on "Christian principles" either. BTW, what exactly are "atheist principles."
The idea that it wasn't foudned on his church's myths............
 
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