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Alec Baldwin will be charged with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' shooting

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The gun should never cross the plane of someone's body.

Safety on or off, carry the gun the same way.

Hollywood is terrible of their gun example, people are always pointing the gun at each-other. I don't know how I'd make it in the army, I'd be laying people on their ass left and right.

In Jamestown the first US settlement someone got shot in the artery doing drills. Maybe it was Alec in a past life. I mean the other guy. Entirely possible, but we'd need more indication to go ahead.
 
X Factor said:
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Alec Baldwin will be charged with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' shooting

Baldwin's attorney says they "will fight these charges, and we will win."
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Seems to be a reasonable decision. Let the jury decide.
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I've frankly come to despise Alec Baldwin. The stupid comments he made defending his actions from this, as if he somehow didn't pull that trigger, were just laughable. Laughable and disgusting, and he wanted all the woe-is-me attention on him, but not at the woman that died.

I don't think he meant to do it, but his comments annoyed me with how much he tried to play it off like his finger didn't pull that trigger.

That being said, this is gonna be hella hard to prove on the part of Alec. The props person/armorer seems to be the far the one at fault here for what happened. But he was also a producer on this movie, not merely just an actor, so perhaps you could argue he should have been checking in that capacity.

P.S. James Austin Johnson does a far better Trump impression.
 
The buck stops with Baldwin the producer and star of "Rust".

If he has any sense he'll take a plea deal if one is offered.

Involuntary Manslaughter is a class 4 felony with up to 18 months in prison and a fine.
 
X Factor said:
www.yahoo.com

Alec Baldwin will be charged with 2 counts of involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' shooting

Baldwin's attorney says they "will fight these charges, and we will win."
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Seems to be a reasonable decision. Let the jury decide.
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That does seem very reasonable. Interesting how they are doing the charging as well - with the two counts based on the different lines of the statute. As noted before, it's going to be very difficult to

Worth noting that Halls made a deal.... which probably means he's going to testify against the other two. Well played on the part of the DA.

"Assistant director David Halls has agreed to plead guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon. The terms include a suspended sentence and six months of probation. "
 
Probably the best Jack Ryan, tbh.
 
RealityNow said:
Which Gun Nut brought live "rounds" to a Movie Set? still has not been answered
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I took the 22 and inspected the revolver to see there were no bullets in it, there weren't, so I pulled the trigger and the gun went off.

See post #3.
 
Good thing for Michael Massee The Crow wasn't filmed in New Mexico.
 
gboisjo said:
The buck stops with Baldwin the producer and star of "Rust".

If he has any sense he'll take a plea deal if one is offered.

Involuntary Manslaughter is a class 4 felony with up to 18 months in prison and a fine.
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It will be interesting to see if one is offered. I don't see Baldwin accepting jail time.

Key here is that Halls already took a deal. Betting that the lawyers for Baldwin and Guiterrez are scrambling to see if one of them can get a deal, and whether the DA would choose to take the third to trial.
 
Bloops and anomalies occur often, so you must not ever point a gun at someone, loaded, unloaded or safety. The gun can go off on its own. There was a clip on Facebook, a number of them looked like spontaneous. I would never trust anyone with a gun. You're always a flick or whim away from your life. If I had my way it would be illegal to take out your piece in public or mixed company.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I've frankly come to despise Alec Baldwin. The stupid comments he made defending his actions from this, as if he somehow didn't pull that trigger, were just laughable. Laughable and disgusting, and he wanted all the woe-is-me attention on him, but not at the woman that died.

I don't think he meant to do it, but his comments annoyed me with how much he tried to play it off like his finger didn't pull that trigger.

That being said, this is gonna be hella hard to prove on the part of Alec. The props person/armorer seems to be the far the one at fault here for what happened. But he was also a producer on this movie, not merely just an actor, so perhaps you could argue he should have been checking in that capacity.

P.S. James Austin Johnson does a far better Trump impression.
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Yeah, I agree he didn’t mean to. He wasn’t trying to murder anyone of course. Involuntary manslaughter seems the appropriate charge. I bet the family of the victim has a lot to do with the decision to file charges.
 
Personally I don't understand this. What am I missing? He was an actor in a movie and that involved pointing a gun and firing it. He's not the one who brought live ammunition to a film set and not the one who loaded it into a gun being used on the set. Actors are not responsible for props, the prop master is. If he had loaded it himself he would've violated safety protocols.

All of the people claiming "never point a gun at a person you don't intend to kill!" are being dishonest because it's a movie and that was the point.

Unless I'm missing some big details I don't see how he'll be convicted for this.

Exquisitor said:
Bloops and anomalies occur often, so you must not ever point a gun at someone, loaded, unloaded or safety. The gun can go off on its own. There was a clip on Facebook, a number of them looked like spontaneous. I would never trust anyone with a gun. You're always a flick or whim away from your life. If I had my way it would be illegal to disclose your piece.
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So no actors in movies should ever point guns at each other? How cool that would make movies!
 
X Factor said:
Yeah, I agree he didn’t mean to. He wasn’t trying to murder anyone of course. Involuntary manslaughter seems the appropriate charge. I bet the family of the victim has a lot to do with the decision to file charges.
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Probably so. It seems reasonable enough of a charge for a court trial, considering the circumstances.

They were apparently set to film Rust this month, so I'm guessing that's throwing a wrench in that. Honestly, they might as well cancel it at this point.
 
Exquisitor said:
Bloops and anomalies occur often, so you must not ever point a gun at someone, loaded, unloaded or safety. The gun can go off on its own. There was a clip on Facebook, a number of them looked like spontaneous. I would never trust anyone with a gun. You're always a flick or whim away from your life. If I had my way it would be illegal to take out your piece in public or mixed company.
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The A-Team points guns and shoots at people all the time, but they are so accurate they never hit anyone:



MAGA.
 
Exquisitor said:
Bloops and anomalies occur often, so you must not ever point a gun at someone, loaded, unloaded or safety. The gun can go off on its own. There was a clip on Facebook, a number of them looked like spontaneous. I would never trust anyone with a gun. You're always a flick or whim away from your life. If I had my way it would be illegal to take out your piece in public or mixed company.
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But this isn't like a range or something like that. It's a movie set; I think you could clearly argue there's an expectation of these guns not going off with bullets in them. These guns were not intended to be shot at like a target, or deer, or whatever.

I'm not even understanding why there were bullets anywhere near these guns in the first place. That's where the careless/reckless behavior is in my mind.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Personally I don't understand this. What am I missing? He was an actor in a movie and that involved pointing a gun and firing it. He's not the one who brought live ammunition to a film set and not the one who loaded it into a gun being used on the set. Actors are not responsible for props, the prop master is. If he had loaded it himself he would've violated safety protocols.

All of the people claiming "never point a gun at a person you don't intend to kill!" are being dishonest because it's a movie and that was the point.

Unless I'm missing some big details I don't see how he'll be convicted for this.


So no actors in movies should ever point guns at each other? How cool that would make movies!
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The argument appears to be that it is the actor's ultimate responsibility to make sure there are no live rounds in any gun they are handed, even though it is the entire point of the job of the person handing them that gun to make sure that there are no live rounds.
 
Mr Person said:
The argument appears to be that it is the actor's ultimate responsibility to make sure there are no live rounds in any gun they are handed, even though it is the entire point of the job of the person handing them that gun to make sure that there are no live rounds.
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Historically speaking, when has that EVER been the protocol in Hollywood? Never. I think a lot of right wingers just hate Alec Baldwin and are making up stupid shit, like no movie should ever include an actor pointing a gun at another actor. A position they didn't have until now.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Personally I don't understand this. What am I missing? He was an actor in a movie and that involved pointing a gun and firing it. He's not the one who brought live ammunition to a film set and not the one who loaded it into a gun being used on the set. Actors are not responsible for props, the prop master is. If he had loaded it himself he would've violated safety protocols.

All of the people claiming "never point a gun at a person you don't intend to kill!" are being dishonest because it's a movie and that was the point.

Unless I'm missing some big details I don't see how he'll be convicted for this.


So no actors in movies should ever point guns at each other? How cool that would make movies!
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Why do I get the idea that if this wasn’t Alec Baldwin and was, say, Clint Eastwood, you wouldn’t be quite so forgiving of him being reckless with a loaded gun.
 
X Factor said:
Why do I get the idea that if this wasn’t Alec Baldwin and was, say, Clint Eastwood, you wouldn’t be quite so forgiving of him being reckless with a loaded gun.
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Because of your partisan clownery? My position doesn't change. You didn't address my post, answer my questions or provide any relevant information. Please, make your case that no actors should ever point guns at each other in movies.

X Factor said:
Annnndddd there it is.
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Your claim is no significant number of right wingers here hate Alec Baldwin?
 
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