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SKILMATIC said:Oooh oooh oohh DOES THIS MEAN I GET TO CALL HIM A MENTAL DISORDER NOW? :rofl
The basement is not moderated and not public so yes it can get pretty dern strange.happykat said:I know I'm new.........but are these discussion usually so full of horse s**t?
cnredd said:In the Basement you can...
Navy Pride said:I have a friend who is black.He detests the name african american..He says he is just and American and he is right........
Nothing is wrong with being different. What's wrong with being cohesive? Why do we have to seperate ourselves into this group or that group or this label or that label? Being just an American doesn't deny anyone's history.....it embraces it and integrates it.HTColeman said:You and your damned friends, geez.
Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American', it denies our history and what we have been through. American history is the Revolution, Manifest Destiny, etc. African American/Black/whatever history is very different, and therefore the people that have resulted from that history are different. I mean think about it, when your in America, who is referred as 'American'? No one, you could be asian, black, hispanic, white, etc. B/C each race in America has a different history. What is wrong with being different?
HTColeman said:You and your damned friends, geez.
Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American', it denies our history and what we have been through. American history is the Revolution, Manifest Destiny, etc. African American/Black/whatever history is very different, and therefore the people that have resulted from that history are different. I mean think about it, when your in America, who is referred as 'American'? No one, you could be asian, black, hispanic, white, etc. B/C each race in America has a different history. What is wrong with being different?
Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American', it denies our history and what we have been through.
Point? The history of the black population is in America is a bit different from that of the white population's.and what history is that
most dont even know where they come from
most were sold into slavery by their own people
HTColeman said:You and your damned friends, geez.
Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American', it denies our history and what we have been through. American history is the Revolution, Manifest Destiny, etc. African American/Black/whatever history is very different, and therefore the people that have resulted from that history are different. I mean think about it, when your in America, who is referred as 'American'? No one, you could be asian, black, hispanic, white, etc. B/C each race in America has a different history. What is wrong with being different?
HTColeman said:Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American',
HTColeman said:You and your damned friends, geez.
Anyway, I have said before, I don't want to be called just 'American', it denies our history and what we have been through. American history is the Revolution, Manifest Destiny, etc. African American/Black/whatever history is very different, and therefore the people that have resulted from that history are different. I mean think about it, when your in America, who is referred as 'American'? No one, you could be asian, black, hispanic, white, etc. B/C each race in America has a different history. What is wrong with being different?
Calm2Chaos said:So lets do as much as possible to drive a wedge of any sort between people. Everyone is called an American. When asked about there heritage or there decendents they may refer to Italian American, or Asian Americans. BVut in the end they are simply Americans ad happy to be known as such. Just seems like another way to seperate yourself from the whole
Inuyasha said:It is interesting to see that Argentina has a make up much like the US and they don't hyphenate themselves. They are all Argentinians. You have to really sort of press them for their ancestral history. We seem to be the only country that places so much importance on our ancestors.
DeeJayH said:only a few select groups choose to do so
AlbqOwl said:To want the history of your ancestors included in American History is a righteous desire and worthy of fighting for. To think of your history as separate from American History is quite something else again. I think each of this generation shares in the whole history and any part of it is not exclusive to any of us. Our history may have a bearing on the hand life deals us to play, but neither our environment nor our heritage can dictate what values we will embrace or the choices we will make Ultimately it is not our history, but it is our values and the choices we make that determines who and what we are. And that inludes a choice to be different.
? said:and what history is that
most dont even know where they come from
most were sold into slavery by their own people
teacher said:I'll call you African American if you call me European American. Then there's Latin Americans, Chinese Americans, Irish Americans, and then there's Billo, we're not sure. Gets kinda silly after a while don't you think?
Calm2Chaos said:So lets do as much as possible to drive a wedge of any sort between people. Everyone is called an American. When asked about there heritage or there decendents they may refer to Italian American, or Asian Americans. BVut in the end they are simply Americans ad happy to be known as such. Just seems like another way to seperate yourself from the whole
Skilmatic said:I have never heard in my life when I was in Europe they never call blacks in France french africans or german africans or spanish africans. So why would we call you guys african americans? If you want the title african then go back to africa. A matter of fact I will pay your one way ticket there. Let me know. The only thing I ask is you can never come back here ever again.
HTColeman said:Why does different have to be separate?
It shouldn't be separate, nor should any differences be the first consideration.
There is quite a bit more to black history than just slavery, go read.
European American = white, its the same thing. African-American = black, once again same thing. Irish American, except for a brief period of discrimination of them as immigrants, they are now and have been for a while, white. Hispanic, Asian, etc. we all have different sub-histories, and I think that should be recognized.
The Spanish Moors were certainly white, nor are all people of African descent black. Do you think white South Africans or Egyptians consider themselves "African American?" And what of people with African or Asian heritage who are born in France or England and consider themselves to be French or British? They sure aren't white but they consider themselves European. It is misleading and can be insulting to attribute a race to a particular continent.
Why does being different drive a wedge? I mean, you can say whatever you want, but I am different from you, and there is nothing wrong with that. There is no need to cover up being different.
Being different does not drive a wedge. Demanding deference or acknowledgement or privileges or special considerations because of one's differences drives wedges; and when you lead with the 'difference' and make that more important than the whole group, that drives a wedge.
The term African-American denotes someone of african descent. That does not mean it has anything to do with some sort of desire for africa over America. America is supposed to tolerate diversity, once again, being different is not the same as separate, if you choose to separate yourself b/c you or someone else is different, that is a personal decision.
The term African-American should denote somebody who was born in Africa and has immigrated to America. It should denote nothing else. As already explained, it cannot and should not denote race.
Lets make an analogy. Christian : American as Baptist : African-American/black. Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. all believe in the Bible, but they are somewhat different, so they call themselves different. But most would agree that they are all part of the Christian community. In the same way, blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, etc. are different, and so call themselves differently, but they are still the makeup of the American community.
alphieb said:Did anyone ever wonder if eventually there will be no black people, because in years to come they will all interbreed with whites?
Maybe that's just an AFRICAN-AMERICAN thing.:shock:Calm2Chaos said:By the way you left your caps lock on... Just in case you didn't notice
Nope. That thought has never crossed my mind.alphieb said:Did anyone ever wonder if eventually there will be no black people, because in years to come they will all interbreed with whites?
Do you think that some humans are more evolved than others? I have thought that.AlbqOwl said:I thinik that is a distinct possibility in the process of evolution or adaption or whatever we choose to call it. It is possible that all of humankind will become one universal race that would logically be neither white or black but all sort of a more or less uniform brown. And, it is also a distinct possibility that if the human race doesn't do itself in first, that races based on geography and natural selection will again evolve.
I do think that focusing on the color of skin and making that an issue for any reason is a surefire way to perpetuate race consciousness as more than just one of various human characteristics and thus perpetuate various forms of racism.
saffron said:Do you think that some humans are more evolved than others? I have thought that.
Maybe racist, but a valid question I think. And yes, I think certain groups of people have evolved somewhat differently including the development of genetic characteristis that are sometimes beneficial; sometimes not. It is not stereotyping and it is not wrong to identify these particular racial characterisitics in order to better find remedies for them or to better utilize them.
OdgenTugbyGlub said:One such example is the prevalence of the semi-sickle cell anemia (spl?) pairing in the black population. While this is a "racial difference", it is in no way a detriment; in fact if we all went to jungles of south america, a whole lot more of the black population would survive due to this half-sickle cell blood helping resisit contraction of diseases from mosquitos.
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