"Affluenza", Sharpton makes a Good Point

[Excon]

Well we can't say wealth was not a factor. if the black kids family had the $435,000 for the one year "rehab", maybe that facility would have taken him.

One, we are talking about the justice received by the Court.
Wealth and race were not a factor.

Secondly, you are alleging such without evidence of it. That doesn't fly.
The only evidence there is of acceptance was of the difference between the type of crimes.
One was a purposeful act to cause harm.
The other wasn't.

 

[specklebang]

I have both nationalities. One from my mother and the other from my father.

I came here for business opportunities.

The US is closed in so many ways and Mexico is wide open for business.

My business partner and I are seriously considering a development project of a self sufficient area, houses commercial and more of all English speaking people in Baja California or maybe Sonora so Americans can get away from the US. I am sure Obamacare will not be the last piece of legislature that will force you to spend money, now that the door is open, so people are going to be looking for a way to get away from that without going too far from home.

Mexico is a more honest place to live. There are no illusions as to how things work here.

Remember the movie Mars Attacks? The scene when the alien has the translator and is saying "there is nothing to worry about" all the while killing everybody?

That is what the US seems to be now. On one hand you hear about all these freedoms and on the other hand you have a SWAT team busting down your door and killing your dog and your kid, then saying "sorry wrong house".

Very interesting. I lived in Asia for 11 years and started my first business in Korea in 1969. Of course, America is still quite the land of opportunity but I can see that every ear, the state adds more and more fees, licenses and other requirements. Look to be much harder to get started than it used to but I still think there are plenty of ways to make money here.

But Mexico is an up and coming country and getting set in early will be good for you. When I started in Korea, LG was Lucky Chemical who made vinyl products and Samsung was a fabric company. Look at the now!

 

[Mason66]

Very interesting. I lived in Asia for 11 years and started my first business in Korea in 1969. Of course, America is still quite the land of opportunity but I can see that every ear, the state adds more and more fees, licenses and other requirements. Look to be much harder to get started than it used to but I still think there are plenty of ways to make money here.

But Mexico is an up and coming country and getting set in early will be good for you. When I started in Korea, LG was Lucky Chemical who made vinyl products and Samsung was a fabric company. Look at the now!

I will give you an example of this.

In the state of Nevada if you want to apply for a dealers license to sell cars, you will be about $300,000 out of pocket before you can see your first car. Who can survive and make money like that. Nobody. That was the plan when the big guys wrote the laws.

In Mexico, if I want to sell cars, I sell cars.

I would really love to buy a Chevrolet dealer. From what I have seen of the way they do business here, I could blow everybody out of the water.

It would be fun.

 

[specklebang]

I will give you an example of this.

In the state of Nevada if you want to apply for a dealers license to sell cars, you will be about $300,000 out of pocket before you can see your first car. Who can survive and make money like that. Nobody. That was the plan when the big guys wrote the laws.

In Mexico, if I want to sell cars, I sell cars.

I would really love to buy a Chevrolet dealer. From what I have seen of the way they do business here, I could blow everybody out of the water.

It would be fun.

Good point. When I first arrived in Vegas, 40 years ago, I opened businesses without even bothering with licenses and just let them catch up with me. No BFD. Now, you don't dare even try a stunt like that. I haven't even tried in the last decade. As recently as 2009, I was busted for adopting out cats by armed officers. How silly is that? I didn't even put up a fight. I retired forever, I no longer employ anyone and I live with my 3 cats (the maximum) all of whom have their rabies shots (even though they never leave the house) and I keep my head really low.

When I had my business in Korea, I just slipped a few $100 bills around and my tax and license problems vanished. Of cours, that has probably changed by now. Governments don't shrink - they grow and grow and grow. The clowns who run them are called "lawmakers" and they are hard at work every day (unless vacationing and golfing) coming up with new, ever more restrictive law on every newly discovered topics. Sigh©

 

[Mason66]

Good point. When I first arrived in Vegas, 40 years ago, I opened businesses without even bothering with licenses and just let them catch up with me. No BFD. Now, you don't dare even try a stunt like that. I haven't even tried in the last decade. As recently as 2009, I was busted for adopting out cats by armed officers. How silly is that? I didn't even put up a fight. I retired forever, I no longer employ anyone and I live with my 3 cats (the maximum) all of whom have their rabies shots (even though they never leave the house) and I keep my head really low.

When I had my business in Korea, I just slipped a few $100 bills around and my tax and license problems vanished. Of cours, that has probably changed by now. Governments don't shrink - they grow and grow and grow. The clowns who run them are called "lawmakers" and they are hard at work every day (unless vacationing and golfing) coming up with new, ever more restrictive law on every newly discovered topics. Sigh©

We can thank Ted Jones for the car dealer laws, better know as Fletcher Jones.

His son runs everything now.

 

[Hicup]

It's not everyday that I find myself agreeing with Al. Today's article provides one of those rare exceptions.


Amen, Reverend.

Bottom line: money buys get out of jail cards. I'm not even sure we have a system in place which would allow for any changes in that paradigm.

Sharpton is a race baiting buffoon, but in a twist of irony, the judge in his ruling stated that the kid was responsible, and that his parents never held him to account for anything in his life, and apparently the judge was all too willing to also not hold the boy accountable. Strange logic..

Tim-

 

[Kobie]

Sharpton playing the race card...as usual.

It's a travesty that the kid got blotto and killed people with his disrespect and idiocy. It is not a travesty that the black kid got 10 years for murder.

Money buys a better lawyer and a better court defense. I'm fine with that. I have no qualms whatsoever for the wealthy to use their wealth as they see fit.

I fail to see the point of this thread, as I'm not a jealous individual.

It's "jealousy" to be outraged that a kid kills two people in a drunken stupor behind the wheel and gets probation, because his family's well off? Sorry Gip, that's a load of crap.

 

[Linc]

Actually he murdered four and permanently maimed another..
I'm also sorry to read Gipper's load of crap on this one..
Notice all the loons start their posts with the race card, as if FOX doesn't play it 24/7 .

It's "jealousy" to be outraged that a kid kills two people in a drunken stupor behind the wheel and gets probation, because his family's well off? Sorry Gip, that's a load of crap.

 

[specklebang]

We can thank Ted Jones for the car dealer laws, better know as Fletcher Jones.

His son runs everything now.

..or "Fleecer Jones" although I do use their service department...I've Never been able to buy a car there due to their high and mighty attitude.

 

[calamity]

Sharpton is a race baiting buffoon, but in a twist of irony, the judge in his ruling stated that the kid was responsible, and that his parents never held him to account for anything in his life, and apparently the judge was all too willing to also not hold the boy accountable. Strange logic..

Tim-

Is it race baiting? I think he is just pointing out the obvious. After all, even though whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks, the prison populations are disproportionately high in Blacks.

Sharpton notices that a Black kid gets a long prison sentence while the white one gets probation and rehab. He's scratching his head, just like I am, trying to figure out how someone killing four people and ruining the life of a fifth gets off on probation.

 

[Linc]

Sharpton cannot speak without being accused as a race-baiting buffoon, as per O'Reilly and FOX parrots..
We have threads for Sharpton but these racetards are like a ****ing magnet..
To support the "rightist" position on this thread's issue must be pretty distateful for the wacko-GOPees .

Is it race baiting? I think he is just pointing out the obvious. After all, even though whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks, the prison populations are disproportionately high in Blacks.

Sharpton notices that a Black kid gets a long prison sentence while the white one gets probation and rehab. He's scratching his head, just like I am, trying to figure out how someone killing four people and ruining the life of a fifth gets off on probation.

 

[calamity]

Sharpton cannot speak without being accused as a race-baiting buffoon, as per O'Reilly and FOX parrots..
We have threads for Sharpton but these racetards are like a ****ing magnet..
To support the "rightist" position on this thread's issue must be pretty distateful for the wacko-GOPees .

Even when they agree with him, they have to find reason to go anti-Al. I know.

 

[Mason66]

..or "Fleecer Jones" although I do use their service department...I've Never been able to buy a car there due to their high and mighty attitude.

He was kicked out of California and banned from doing business there. He went to Las Vegas and took over the place.

We had some run ins with him a few times, the son I mean.

My father bought a car from him in California. It was a new 1963 Chevrolet Wagon.

The tire went flat on the way out of the dealership and he didn't know where the spare was. He had somebody from the dealership come out and take care of it.

It takes a lot to get kicked out of a state, especially when we are taking about the '60s.

I doubt he got more honest when he got to Vegas.

 

[Mason66]

Is it race baiting? I think he is just pointing out the obvious. After all, even though whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks, the prison populations are disproportionately high in Blacks.

Sharpton notices that a Black kid gets a long prison sentence while the white one gets probation and rehab. He's scratching his head, just like I am, trying to figure out how someone killing four people and ruining the life of a fifth gets off on probation.

Why are you still posting it this way when you know the truth?

Have you not read this thread?

 

[calamity]

Why are you still posting it this way when you know the truth?

Have you not read this thread?

It's a fact. Blacks are disproportionately populating prisons even though they are not the ones committing the most crimes. Why that is the case is open for debate. But facts' a fact.

THe brat caught a break few would have received. Money played a bigger part than race, IMO. But, I can see why others, especially people of color, would beg to differ.

 

[Mason66]

It's a fact. Blacks are disproportionately populating prisons even though they are not the ones committing the most crimes. Why that is the case is open for debate. But facts' a fact.

THe brat caught a break few would have received. Money played a bigger part than race, IMO. But, I can see why others, especially people of color, would beg to differ.

So you missed the part where the judge tried to give the black kid the same sentence but was unable to because of the nature of his crime, meaning a rehab center would not take him because of his violent nature.

how does that fit in with your idea that blacks are persecuted for the color of their skin?

 

[calamity]

So you missed the part where the judge tried to give the black kid the same sentence but was unable to because of the nature of his crime, meaning a rehab center would not take him because of his violent nature.

Funny that the guy who killed one guy inadvertently with his fist is considered too violent to help, but the guy who mows down 4 innocent people with an SUV, ignoring his friends pleas to slow down, is considered a non-violent offender. GMAFB.

how does that fit in with your idea that blacks are persecuted for the color of their skin?

I suspect race and socio-economics played a huge roll in that rehab center taking in the rich white guy and refusing the poor black one. You don't? :roll:

 

[poweRob]

I just can't understand how the judge can justify the sentence being that if the kid suffered from "affluenza", meaning the kid has no concept of right or wrong because his affluent lifestyle meant he didn't face conseqences for his actions... why would one, as a judge, consider to continue or worsen that "affluenza" by letting the kid not face real-life consequences for his actions?

Total paradox.

 

[Excon]

gets probation, because his family's well off? Sorry Gip, that's a load of crap.

What is crap is saying he got probation because of his wealth. That simply is not the evidence.

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Actually he murdered four

Actually he didn't. It was manslaughter.

While the black kid intended to violently harm another, and that person died. That is murder.

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Is it race baiting? I think he is just pointing out the obvious.

Yes it is race baiting as he is not pointing out the obvious about this case.
He was wrong in regards to this case, the very case which he is using.
Duh!

Sharpton notices that a Black kid gets a long prison sentence while the white one gets probation and rehab.

And this was already explained to you that it is wrong, and why it is wrong.

It's a fact. Blacks are disproportionately populating prisons even though they are not the ones committing the most crimes. Why that is the case is open for debate. But facts' a fact.

Your assertion is a distortion of the the actual facts.

After all, even though whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks, the prison populations are disproportionately high in Blacks.

Holy ****!
First of all, if all things were equal, the majority of crimes should be coming from that specific population as they make up the majority of the population. But it isn't, because all things are not equal.


Secondly your assertion that whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks sounds like it is coming from the FBI arrest stats which are not an accurate representation of who is committing more crimes.


An arrest does not mean that a person committed a crime. So arrests are not actually reflective of actual crime committed.
Beside it being an inaccurate representation of actual crimes committed, the stat that the FBI publishes lumps Hispanics into the white category, further distorting reality.
Incarceration stats, are a better reflection than arrest stats.

Which of course reflects, that by respective population, blacks disproportionately commit far more crimes than whites.

Funny that the guy who killed one guy inadvertently with his fist is considered too violent to help, but the guy who mows down 4 innocent people with an SUV, ignoring his friends pleas to slow down, is considered a non-violent offender. GMAFB.

??? Manslaughter is not considered a non-violent crime.
But the intent between the two is vastly different.

Do you not know what intent is?
One did not intend to harm anyone, yet did.
The other one intended to violently harm someone.

That is a big difference.

I suspect race and socio-economics played a huge roll in that rehab center taking in the rich white guy and refusing the poor black one. You don't? :roll:

Wtf?
That is not the evidence.
One, the rehab center this kid is going to is for drug and alcohol. Not for violent behavior.

Secondly, the evidence suggests it was nothing other than the violent aspect of the 14 year old's crime.

The only thing that is becoming apparent, is that you want to see racial factors that do not exist. Just like Sharpton.

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I just can't understand how the judge can justify the sentence being that if the kid suffered from "affluenza", meaning the kid has no concept of right or wrong because his affluent lifestyle meant he didn't face conseqences for his actions... why would one, as a judge, consider to continue or worsen that "affluenza" by letting the kid not face real-life consequences for his actions?

Total paradox.

Interesting. You can't understand because you don't have your facts straight.
The Judge didn't justify any sentence using "affluenza".

 

[calamity]

What is crap is saying he got probation because of his wealth. That simply is not the evidence.

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Actually he didn't. It was manslaughter.

While the black kid intended to violently harm another, and that person died. That is murder.

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Yes it is race baiting as he is not pointing out the obvious about this case.
He was wrong in regards to this case, the very case which he is using.
Duh!



And this was already explained to you that it is wrong, and why it is wrong.


Your assertion is a distortion of the the actual facts.


Holy ****!
First of all, if all things were equal, the majority of crimes should be coming from that specific population as they make up the majority of the population. But it isn't, because all things are not equal.


Secondly your assertion that whites commit far more crimes as a whole than Blacks sounds like it is coming from the FBI arrest stats which are not an accurate representation of who is committing more crimes.


An arrest does not mean that a person committed a crime. So arrests are not actually reflective of actual crime committed.
Beside it being an inaccurate representation of actual crimes committed, the stat that the FBI publishes lumps Hispanics into the white category, further distorting reality.
Incarceration stats, are a better reflection than arrest stats.

Which of course reflects, that by respective population, blacks disproportionately commit far more crimes than whites.


??? Manslaughter is not considered a non-violent crime.
But the intent between the two is vastly different.

Do you not know what intent is?
One did not intend to harm anyone, yet did.
The other one intended to violently harm someone.

That is a big difference.


Wtf?
That is not the evidence.
One, the rehab center this kid is going to is for drug and alcohol. Not for violent behavior.

Secondly, the evidence suggests it was nothing other than the violent aspect of the 14 year old's crime.

The only thing that is becoming apparent, is that you want to see racial factors that do not exist. Just like Sharpton.

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Interesting. You can't understand because you don't have your facts straight.
The Judge didn't justify any sentence using "affluenza".

Mowing down 4 people with a sport's utility vehicle going 70-plus in a 35, after your passengers beg you to slow down, is an act of violence. You may not want to admit that, but you'd be wrong. Put it this way. Which would you prefer taking a chance on surviving: being punched in the mouth or run over by an SUV traveling at almost 80mph?

 

[Mason66]

Funny that the guy who killed one guy inadvertently with his fist is considered too violent to help, but the guy who mows down 4 innocent people with an SUV, ignoring his friends pleas to slow down, is considered a non-violent offender. GMAFB.


I suspect race and socio-economics played a huge roll in that rehab center taking in the rich white guy and refusing the poor black one. You don't? :roll:

How could you use this word describing somebody that hunted and hit a random person in the street?

Your bias is showing.

 

[Excon]

Mowing down 4 people with a sport's utility vehicle going 70-plus in a 35, after your passengers beg you to slow down, is an act of violence. You may not want to admit that, but you'd be wrong. Put it this way. Which would you prefer taking a chance on surviving: being punched in the mouth or run over by an SUV traveling at almost 80mph?

Wtf?
There was no deliberate act of mowing down anybody. There was an accident.
And no one said it wasn't a violent. Where do you come up with this bs?

So stop with the absurdities.

There is a distinction between purposely and willfully commenting a violent act to intentionally harm another person, and an accident where there was no intent.

If you can't understand the difference, that is on you and likely motivated by your obvious bias.


And way to address everything else you were wrong about.

 

[Mason66]

Mowing down 4 people with a sport's utility vehicle going 70-plus in a 35, after your passengers beg you to slow down, is an act of violence. You may not want to admit that, but you'd be wrong. Put it this way. Which would you prefer taking a chance on surviving: being punched in the mouth or run over by an SUV traveling at almost 80mph?

Since when is an F-350 Pick Up a sports utility truck.

Did you even read the story?

 

[digsbe]

I do think having money unfairly tilts the justice system. It may be that though due to paying for high profile lawyers or bias by a judge/jury because someone is wealthy. Affluenza is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard of, being so rich that you don't have a perceived concept or consequences is no excuse for committing multiple crimes by driving drunk underage and killing people with your vehicle. 10 years probation is ludicrous and I can almost guarantee that had this been a poor kid or even your average kid the ruling wouldn't have come out the way it did.

 

[calamity]

Wtf?
There was no deliberate act of mowing down anybody. There was an accident.
And no one said it wasn't a violent. Where do you come up with this bs?

So stop with the absurdities.

There is a distinction between purposely and willfully commenting a violent act to intentionally harm another person, and an accident where there was no intent.

If you can't understand the difference, that is on you and likely motivated by your obvious bias.


And way to address everything else you were wrong about.

Bull****. DUI is not an accident. And, driving twice the speed limit, over the protestations of your passengers, is by definition an act of violence.

Next time don't put it all in one giant post. Some of us are on phones.