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Affirmative Action

99percenter said:
When you have race based affirmative action that is often what happens.
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"raced based affirmative action" what is that in your opinion?

Real government AA/EE is the exact opposite of that.
 
Boo Radley said:
If he wasn't, I will. any use of race to give prefential treatment is illegal. All court cases by those who have tried have lost. Race cannot be used as a determining factor for admission or to get a job. Only a coourt can make the decision, and even then it is to hire qualified candidates, and only after a company has been shown to have discriminated against the more qualified candidate based on race or gender.
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That's EO. The GOVERNMENT has programs that only those of the right skin/plumbing qualify for, which IMHO is wrong. Base it on actual need, not skin color. Not gender. Need.
 
MrVicchio said:
That's EO. The GOVERNMENT has programs that only those of the right skin/plumbing qualify for, which IMHO is wrong. Base it on actual need, not skin color. Not gender. Need.
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Which programs are those? Name a few.
 
MrVicchio said:
That's EO. The GOVERNMENT has programs that only those of the right skin/plumbing qualify for, which IMHO is wrong. Base it on actual need, not skin color. Not gender. Need.
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That simply isn't true. Sorry. Quotas are against the law. Hiring based on race, also against the law. College admission where race is the determing factor is also against the law. You know someone doing it, sue. History suggests you'll win.
 
Boo Radley said:
That simply isn't true. Sorry. Quotas are against the law. Hiring based on race, also against the law. College admission where race is the determing factor is also against the law. You know someone doing it, sue. History suggests you'll win.
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Quotas these days are not official. They are hidden in diversity rhetoric. It is a new kind of institutional racism.
 
jambalaya said:
Quotas these days are not official. They are hidden in diversity rhetoric. It is a new kind of institutional racism.
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SO again AA/EO is not the problem or racist at all. Its OTHER things that people try to do that are illegal or wrong. And why do you focus on race when talking about AA/EO since it actually benifits all races, genders, sexualities etc? Anything else people are illegaly or wrongly doing would just simply be discrimination because all of those groups would be involved.
 
Misterveritis said:
The government has no business taking money from me to give to you, even if that is deemed to be help to someone who needs it. That thinking is one part of how we arrived at this place in history.

If you want to help those who need it start a charity, get like-minded people to join with you and do some real good. Leave the government out of it.
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The government takes money from you to bail out the rich so you get stuck paying anyways. Would you not want to help the poor over bailing out rich folks?
 
Boo Radley said:
That is the goal, only white wealthy folks are often more equal than others. :coffeepap
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especially ones like Kennedy, John Forbes Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, and other uber wealthy dems who use the government to increase their power and wealth
 
Kali said:
The government takes money from you to bail out the rich so you get stuck paying anyways. Would you not want to help the poor over bailing out rich folks?
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who has had more money spent on them by the government over the last 70 years?

and which group has pad more taxes to fund the government?
 
Objective-J said:
SO again AA/EO is not the problem or racist at all. Its OTHER things that people try to do that are illegal or wrong. And why do you focus on race when talking about AA/EO since it actually benifits all races, genders, sexualities etc? Anything else people are illegaly or wrongly doing would just simply be discrimination because all of those groups would be involved.
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Because it is based on racial quotas primarily. That was the genesis of Affirmative Action. It has evolved to include things like gender and sexuality but the driving force was racial equality. So to say the problem is not racist AT ALL is just denial.
 
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jambalaya said:
Because it is based on racial quotas primarily. That was the genesis of Affirmative Action. It has evolved to include things like gender and sexuality but the driving force was racial equality. So to say the problem is not racist AT ALL is just denial.
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The bolded part 100% wrong, quotas are illegal.
Saying its not racist is 100% FACT that can not be disputed. If there are people out there practicing something else that is unfair, gender/race/age bias etc they are the problem and the fact remains that are NOT practicing AA/EO to do it LOL

AA initial force was racial EQUALITY and then AA/EO all mixed and it became EQUALITY for all and NEVER SPECIAL treatment but fair and EQUAL treatment. AA/EE is not racist at all by definition. Calling it denial is fantasy on your end. :shrug:
 
jambalaya said:
Quotas these days are not official. They are hidden in diversity rhetoric. It is a new kind of institutional racism.
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Sounds liek a way to avoid the turth, that they are illegal. If you find a quota system, sue. You'll win. but in any case, blame those who break the law and not the law.
 
TurtleDude said:
especially ones like Kennedy, John Forbes Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, and other uber wealthy dems who use the government to increase their power and wealth
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I'm sure we can add a lot of names to that list, democrat and republican, liberal and conservative. The point isn't about party.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sounds liek a way to avoid the turth, that they are illegal. If you find a quota system, sue. You'll win. but in any case, blame those who break the law and not the law.
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Some how this common sense will go ignore by some.
 
Kali said:
The government takes money from you to bail out the rich so you get stuck paying anyways. Would you not want to help the poor over bailing out rich folks?
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Sigh. There is just so much wrong with this thinking.

Government has no business taking money from me to give to you no matter how they disguise it. Bail outs are wrong. Let the companies fail.
 
Misterveritis said:
Sigh. There is just so much wrong with this thinking.

Government has no business taking money from me to give to you no matter how they disguise it. Bail outs are wrong. Let the companies fail.
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And if the result is another Great Depression - oh well - at least your ideology remains pure. :roll: And these days, ideology is more important than reality to far too many.
 
Misterveritis said:
Sigh. There is just so much wrong with this thinking.

Government has no business taking money from me to give to you no matter how they disguise it. Bail outs are wrong. Let the companies fail.
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The government should've never allowed the bailout conditions to occur.
 
haymarket said:
And if the result is another Great Depression - oh well - at least your ideology remains pure. :roll: And these days, ideology is more important than reality to far too many.
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Now that is a great excuse to give extra-constitutional powers to government bureaucrats. Awesome. Is there no level of tyranny you won't defend?
 
Misterveritis said:
Now that is a great excuse to give extra-constitutional powers to government bureaucrats. Awesome. Is there no level of tyranny you won't defend?
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Did I miss the part where you outlined and detailed this terrible TYRANNY that you invoked?
 
haymarket said:
Did I miss the part where you outlined and detailed this terrible TYRANNY that you invoked?
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Tyranny nearly always comes slowly to democracies and representative republics. Eventually a tipping point is reached where more of the economy is centrally planned and centrally controlled. The individual becomes nothing more than a tool to be controlled by the state. One can always tell as the number of bureaucracies goes up and the numbers of bureaucrats expands. A tyrannical government will tell individuals what toilets they can buy and what lightbulbs the may purchase. In a tyranny the individual finds his rights to choose are circumscribed by the state and its bureaucrats. Businesses spend enormous sums of money to comply with rules that idiot bureaucrats come up with. And the judiciary sides with the state in its struggle against the citizen. We have arrived.
 
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