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JERUSALEM – Pro-Palestinian activists sent another boat to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip on Tuesday and Egypt declared it was temporarily opening a crossing into the Palestinian territory after a raid on an aid flotilla that ended with Israeli soldiers killing nine activists.
"Hey, we just got a whole bunch of positive publicity and world sympathy after these poor unarmed people were attacked by Israeli soldiers. We should follow up on that by sending military troops along so as to provoke the **** out of Israel and to make us look like the aggressor."
If that's their tactic (and it looks like it is) it is extremely effective, have you seen the outrage caused by the boarding?
Actually it won't be.
What he's saying is that the initial thing, if it was their tactic, was extremely effective. What won't be effective is then trying to do it AGAIN, after you've seen what happened, but this time sending military with it specifically to appear to be trying to instigate something.
Its kind of like getting pulled over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. You may get some sympathy from friends and family for what seems to have been a really stupid thing to get pulled over for and horribly disproportionate since you're going to end up paying more in court fee's then in the fee's for the actual speeding.
However if you then the next day drive by the same place knowing the cop is going to be there, going 1 MPH over again but this time with your middle finger up against your window flicking off the cop you're likely not going to have those same people showing you sympathy. Instead they're probably think you're a stupid douchebag, and probably regret showing you any sympathy in the first place.
This is absolutely retarded on the part of the Turkish activists. This is deciding to go punch the full bee hive after you got stung walking under it earlier. There's no benefit to this and just reeks of a publicity stunt and stubborn childish stupidity.
Actually it won't be.
What he's saying is that the initial thing, if it was their tactic, was extremely effective. What won't be effective is then trying to do it AGAIN, after you've seen what happened, but this time sending military with it specifically to appear to be trying to instigate something.
Its kind of like getting pulled over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. You may get some sympathy from friends and family for what seems to have been a really stupid thing to get pulled over for and horribly disproportionate since you're going to end up paying more in court fee's then in the fee's for the actual speeding.
However if you then the next day drive by the same place knowing the cop is going to be there, going 1 MPH over again but this time with your middle finger up against your window flicking off the cop you're likely not going to have those same people showing you sympathy. Instead they're probably think you're a stupid douchebag, and probably regret showing you any sympathy in the first place.
This is absolutely retarded on the part of the Turkish activists. This is deciding to go punch the full bee hive after you got stung walking under it earlier. There's no benefit to this and just reeks of a publicity stunt and stubborn childish stupidity.
This is a great analogy. And totally correct. Second time around Israel could just blow the boat out of the water and the world would probably shrug and say "Well, what the hell did you expect?"
Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.
"We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war," the officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war."
This is a great analogy. And totally correct. Second time around Israel could just blow the boat out of the water and the world would probably shrug and say "Well, what the hell did you expect?"
Actually that would be the best way to start one more intifadah IMO
I'm not sure about that. Gaza is still besieged, and most people outside Israel (and possibly the USA) find it scandalous.
To take your analogy, it's as if the speed limit on the freeway was 5mph. Someone who would drive at 10mph will always get the sympathy from friends and family since these people will always consider that the speed limit is excessively low.
Likewise, any action that is against the blockade will get sympathy from many people, even if they turn messy, since most people consider that the blockade is a scandal.
I'm not sure about that. Gaza is still besieged, and most people outside Israel (and possibly the USA) find it scandalous.
To take your analogy, it's as if the speed limit on the freeway was 5mph. Someone who would drive at 10mph will always get the sympathy from friends and family since these people will always consider that the speed limit is excessively low.
Likewise, any action that is against the blockade will get sympathy from many people, even if they turn messy, since most people consider that the blockade is a scandal.
Going back right after this, announcing it to the world, and sending warships along with it is the equivilent of flicking off the officer while telling him to go **** himself.
If that's their tactic (and it looks like it is) it is extremely effective, have you seen the outrage caused by the boarding?
I love this. Why do liberals find it necessary to speak in terms of "most people"?
Now bub, back that up please.
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Well if they really send warships (I doubt they'll do it) that may be a way to force Israel to renounce to the blockade: Israel will have to weigh the consequences of letting the convoy bypass the blockade (= maybe some weapons could be smuggled but anyways they are already being smuggled through tunnels anyways, and look defeated by international pressure) and the consequences of stopping the convoy (= possible escalation of the tensions with Turkey).
A solution could be to get the ships checked by Turkish authorities (to make sure they don't carry weapons) before allowing them to land on the shores of Gaza.
Another solution could be to lift the blockade and let everything enter Gaza. Weapons would enter more easily but people in Gaza would not have reasons to use them anymore.
Or another solution, take Israel up on the offer to dock, let them expect the cargo for weapons and other illegal items, and if they're not there let the items into Gaza.
Oh, but that wouldn't force an incident and cause problems and would actually just do nothing but HELP GAZA so naturally they can't do that.
you put the politics of your dislike and distaste for Israel ahead of the lives of the people who will undoutably face trouble on these ships that are actively agigtating a military force and the people of Gaza who obviously are secondary in importance to making Israel look bad.
Its disgusting.
Do you honestly believe this? Really?
The blockade started in 2007, right? Using your logic, it stands to reason that before 2007, the region of Gaza was perfectly peaceful and created no security concerns for Israel. I'm not a middle east scholar, but that doesn't sound right.
Well if they really send warships (I doubt they'll do it) that may be a way to force Israel to renounce to the blockade: Israel will have to weigh the consequences of letting the convoy bypass the blockade (= maybe some weapons could be smuggled but they are already being smuggled through tunnels anyways, and look defeated by international pressure) and the consequences of stopping the convoy (= possible escalation of the tensions with Turkey).
A solution could be to get the ships checked by Turkish authorities (to make sure they don't carry weapons) before allowing them to land on the shores of Gaza.
Another solution could be to lift the blockade and let everything enter Gaza. Weapons would enter more easily but people in Gaza would not have reasons to use them anymore.
It's like a battle to see who can out-retard the other.
"Hey, these guys are trying to bring stuff into our country that we don't want, so let's board their ships in international water rather than wait two hours until they're in our water. That way we can gain absolutely no tactical advantage while needlessly outraging people who cry about international law."
"Hey, we just got a whole bunch of positive publicity and world sympathy after these poor unarmed people were attacked by Israeli soldiers. We should follow up on that by sending military troops along so as to provoke the **** out of Israel and to make us look like the aggressor."
Oh, but that's what I said there
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...za-flotilla-says-hamas-18.html#post1058781680
Why do conservatives find it necessary to use the label "liberal" to all those who have a different opinion?
The EU is asking for an end of the blockade. That's 500 million people.
The UN also condemns Israel for the blockade. That's 6 billion people, but the USA and Israel disagree with that, so it's rather 5,6 billion people
Ugg, the annoying thing through all of this Right is that I actually agree with your first example as much as I agree with the second, we just don't have any people mindlessly spitting Israeli propoganda in here yet so all the bull**** needing to be called out is one sided.
Your illustrated one of the main reasons that I have zero sympathy for Israel thus far in this as well. There was no logistic reason in any way shape or form for them to have acted prior to the blockaid being breached.
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