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Acting AG fired after she declines to defend Trump travel ban

jdog said:
Her defiance was political, pure and simple. Trump is right legally. He is not doing anything that has not been done before....
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The last time a President fired an Attorney General was the "Saturday Night Massacre." That's not a precedent to be proud of.


not only does he have the legal right to temporarily stop immigration from countries that pose a threat, he has the obligation to protect the US and its citizens.
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It's not clear that his EO is legal; and it's her responsibility to uphold the Constitution, not slavishly follow the President.

And while the President has latitude with immigration enforcement, it's not unlimited. It's still constrained by the law and the Constitution.
 
Gina said:
I have to believe that her loyalty is ultimately to the rule of law and following her oath of office. Not the office of the presidency. Trump saw it differently. She served at his request and she stood by her principles. She knew that it was likely she would be fired.
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Well, she was unable to execute her job responsibilities. She should not have taken the job at all.
 
Ikari said:
We'll see how well the government fights for its checks and balances. I'd like to see Congress reassert itself as what should be the most powerful branch of government.
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He's already pissing off his own party in congress by telling the state department not to talk to congress or their staff. Don't know what he thinks he can get done without them.
 
coldjoint said:
You are over reacting. What did Obama( or should I say Jarrett) have except yes men?
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Didn't know that Obama and Jarrett were part of the thread content.

It's like pouring a mixture through filter paper to filter out the precipitates who deflect light .
 
Tanngrisnir said:
She didn't refuse to do her job. She upheld her oath. It's nothing you'd understand.
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You're not free to interpret your oath in any old way that you want.

Sorry Miss, but since you didn't resign, then

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Tanngrisnir said:
She didn't refuse to do her job. She upheld her oath. It's nothing you'd understand.
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You mean she refused to follow the law of the nation and wanted to go out guns blazing before she was replaced quietly?
 
Visbek said:
The Dissent Channel is a function of the State Department, not the DoJ.

He's not changing his behavior. He didn't change it when he was nominated, he didn't change it after he won, he hasn't changed after his inauguration. He has never been a big fan of dissent, he has never reacted calmly to dissent. He doubles down... and punches down.

I don't expect him to change. I don't see why anyone else would either.
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You haven't seen Presidents grow into the job?
 
Gina said:
We shall see if the EO was constitutional. The judges are considering parts of it now.
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The EO mentions religion as one of the qualifying factors, which is unconstitutional, unless they change that part.

From the ACLU's website..

According to the Supreme Court, “the clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” But that command is apparently not clear enough for President Donald Trump. On Friday he signed an executive order on refugees that imposes a selective ban on immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries as well as establishes preferential treatment for refugees seeking asylum who are identified with “minority religions” in their country of origin. In case there was any doubt about the latter provision’s intent, Trump told Christian Broadcast News that it was intended to give priority to “Christians” seeking asylum over “Muslims.”

In both respects, the executive order violates the “clearest command of the Establishment Clause.”

 
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ajn678 said:
You mean she refused to follow the law of the nation and wanted to go out guns blazing before she was replaced quietly?
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Your understanding of this is rather hilarious. What law of the nation did she refuse to follow and why?

Step up to the plate, sport.
 
ludin said:
Obama issued the same order so he is just as much of a jerk as trump was right?
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As fast as this thread is moving, providing links would be really helpful.
 
poweRob said:
If you want to discuss a particular issue of back then fine. Throwing generalized accusations like this isn't going to lead to any discussion because where am I supposed to go with this. Sift through all AG decisions under Obama's tenure?
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The DOJ was never in doubt with Obama. It did what Obama told it to do, no sifting necessary.
 
Gina said:
We shall see if the EO was constitutional. The judges are considering parts of it now.
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The law is clear cut.

212(f) allows the President to prohibit entry into the US of any foreign national he deems would be detrimental to US interests.

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

https://messersmithlaw.com/ina-212f/
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It would be quite hypocritcal to started having a problem, now, after Obama did the same thing.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yeah, really! He should have just kept her on, that wouldn't be a problem, right? I mean, why is he even getting rid of Lynch? He should just keep all Obama appointees in place, is that what you think he should do? Obama did that with Bush appointee's, didn't he?
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You and I both know what this was about and it had precious little to do with anything other than Trump informing everyone in his administration that if you don't both kiss it and then report on how good it smells you will indeed be crushed. This is him saying those two words he became famous for ... YOUR'E FIRED and sending a message of complete control to all the employees of the Executive Branch.

It is the move of an authoritarian narcissist with serious mental problems.
 
nota bene said:
I've used up my free articles for the month--can you quote some excerpts?
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Use your browser in private mode to read the article. It resets the cookies that keep track of how many articles you read


Errr I mean always pay for subscriptions. ;p
 
NIMBY said:
Didn't know that Obama and Jarrett were part of the thread content.

It's like pouring a mixture through filter paper to filter out the precipitates who deflect light .
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I am not deflecting why are you bitching about things that were done before? Why didn't you moan when your guy did it? Vital to the topic.
 
Visbek said:
The last time a President fired an Attorney General was the "Saturday Night Massacre." That's not a precedent to be proud of.



It's not clear that his EO is legal; and it's her responsibility to uphold the Constitution, not slavishly follow the President.

And while the President has latitude with immigration enforcement, it's not unlimited. It's still constrained by the law and the Constitution.
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There is no precedent Einstein. She refused to do her job and got fired. Try it yourself, go to work tomorrow (providing you have a job) and tell your boss to pound sand and refuse to do your job and see what happens.

It is perfectly legal for the President of the United States to suspend immigration from countries that pose a risk. That is his fricking job to protect the country! You obviously do not know a damn thing about law or the Constitution, you are just another liberal talking out your ass, and butt hurt you did not get the whore of Wall St elected.
 
NIMBY said:
The head of ICE was also fired and SECRETELY replaced.

You've probably seen that the USSC is between Gorsuch and Hardiman, one IVY league the other blue-collar.
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Secretly? As opposed to what? LOL! What, is he supposed to call CNN and ask if it's okay?

Well, you know about it, don't you?
 
ajn678 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.mar...n-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal
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Sorry, that doesn't fly, and I can see why you wouldn't understand why that it is. As AG she had concerns about it's constitutionality and that gets settled by the courts; something she was happy to wait for until that happened.

You can quote opinions til you're blue in the face, but none of them demonstrate that she 'refused to do her job' as you first claimed.

Game. Set. Match.
 
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