About the theory trump will refuse to leave when he loses the election

[GDViking]

"About the theory trump will refuse to leave when he loses the election"

Theory? No. It's not a theory. It's baseless, biased speculation.

Really, that is not what comey told congress under oath.

I'm not worried though, the secret service are the best of the best and I can only imagine how much they hate working for this lazy fat ass dirt bag, just like anyone who has worked for him.

If trump tries not to leave the secret service will pick him up carry him out and deposit him off the premises...

 

[Mycroft]

Really, that is not what comey told congress under oath.

I'm not worried though, the secret service are the best of the best and I can only imagine how much they hate working for this lazy fat ass dirt bag, just like anyone who has worked for him.

If trump tries not to leave the secret service will pick him up carry him out and deposit him off the premises...

Oh? What did Comey say under oath? And, can you actually believe him? We know he doesn't care about the rule of law.

 

[GDViking]

i hope that he doesn't do this.

I kinda hope he does, being physically removed would be a proper departure for the only illegitimate president in American history...

 

[Grandpappy]

What a paranoid joke of a thread. :lamo You leftists are always entertaining.

 

[GDViking]

Oh? What did Comey say under oath? And, can you actually believe him? We know he doesn't care about the rule of law.

I do not have the exact quote in front of me and don't have the time to look it up.

It was something to the effect that trump would never give up the office, he would have to be removed...

 

[GDViking]

Oh? What did Comey say under oath? And, can you actually believe him? We know he doesn't care about the rule of law.

Not caring about the rule of law is why trump employed him for over a decade as his "fixer"...

 

[Grandpappy]

I do not have the exact quote in front of me and don't have the time to look it up.

It was something to the effect that trump would never give up the office, he would have to be removed...

And Comey NEVER lies...Hahaha

 

[bongsaway]

You wouldn't tease a poor old man like me about the blissful anticipation of watching Trump being manhandled out of the White House?

From one poor old man to another, hell no.

 

[Helix]

I kinda hope he does, being physically removed would be a proper departure for the only illegitimate president in American history...

as hypothetically satisfying as it would be to see him forcibly expelled by the Secret Service for trespassing after losing the election, it might not stop there. peaceful transition of power is critical for our country.

 

[Mycroft]

I do not have the exact quote in front of me and don't have the time to look it up.

It was something to the effect that trump would never give up the office, he would have to be removed...

Given how Trump haters have a tendency to misrepresent what people say, you'll understand if I dismiss your claims about what Comey said until you come up with your quote.

 

[Grandpappy]

Only 5 1/2 more years and he's gone. I promise. :thumbs:

 

[Mycroft]

Not caring about the rule of law is why trump employed him for over a decade as his "fixer"...

???

Comey? Trump's "fixer"?

What the **** are you talking about?

 

[Craig234]

i hope that he doesn't do this.

About 75% of the country hopes he doesn't.

 

[Craig234]

Not caring about the rule of law is why trump employed him for over a decade as his "fixer"...

You replied to a post about Comey, with a comment about Cohen.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I think what people are responding to who think that are responding to trump's character - his character being one that would do that, and they're right about his character.

But I don't think trump would do it.

trump is an utterly corrupt, selfish, narcissist. He's out for his own benefit. And there is no way that refusing to give up power ends any way other than disaster for him, and he knows that. Even if he had millions of Americans supporting his doing so and calling for civil war, it would not end well for him. For one example alone, the military is a hell of a lot more loyal to the country than to trump.

A second issue is that this 'hold onto power' thing is usually about corrupt people who want power for its own sake, and who get their wealth from that power, stealing the wealth of the country.

trump is neither some ideologue who wants political power particularly - he doesn't give a crap about anything except his own benefits - and being in office isn't a source of wealth for him (much). He's not pocketing the US treasury. He'd have a lot more freedom out of office. He never expected to win in the first place. He doesn't have the normal motives for wanting to cling to power, other than to remain unprosecutable.

And even that prosecution motive, which is very real, is a motive for him to try to win, but not to try to seize power if he loses, because the price to him would be even worse than the prosecutions.

In short, the issue is simply what benefits him.

And that is not trying to seize power. So I don't think it will happen. That it's a non-issue, even though the people who suspect it - including his biographer, as I recall - are right about his character.

Bull. First of all democrats have to win. Better worry about that before you worry if Trump will give up the office.

 

[Craig234]

If I were saying it to you, I would have quoted you. Its how I roll.

You said "stop saying it". Maybe to no one, to the wall in front of you? That's how you roll?

 

[Craig234]

Bull. First of all democrats have to win. Better worry about that before you worry if Trump will give up the office.

I'm seeing that most right-wingers in this thread can't even read, much less say anything relevant.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think what people are responding to who think that are responding to trump's character - his character being one that would do that, and they're right about his character.

But I don't think trump would do it.

I ABSOLUTELY think he WOULD try to do it.
Don't visualize some portrait of a madman circling the praetorian guards around the Oval Office.
Instead, picture him spending fifty to seventy-five million to file a lunker-sized litany of lawsuits to halt the vote counting process, similar to the way Roger Stone and the Republican Party did during the 2000 election.
Picture a protracted bullcrap court battle stretching all the way from the day after Election Day until the middle of January.
Picture a Trump-Bought-and-Paid-for media frenzy, pulling out all the stops, up to AND including direct calls and incitements to far-Right militants to trigger violent skirmishes.
Picture every bad, stupid lame movie plot ever to hit the big screen about criminal despots attempting to seize and hold power illegitimately...nothing is beneath this man.
Picture every "crooked tyrant scorched earth" gambit your imagination can come up with.
Picture Trump even trying to start a war if need be.

And ultimately...picture NONE of it working in the long run, but "costing" the nation significantly...IN the long run.
And picture hostile state AND NON-STATE actors using it to their advantage, in a very big way.
That's part of "the cost"...the price we would pay.

 

[Deuce]

Trump is far too cowardly, this is a really stupid theory.

 

[KevinKohler]

You said "stop saying it". Maybe to no one, to the wall in front of you? That's how you roll?

A general message. This has been...what, the 5th or 6th thread of the same topic in the last month?

Getting old, and its completely unfounded.

 

[JackA]

Oh, there's little doubt he'll lie a lot about how he lost unfairly, but I don't think he'll actually try to seize power.

Right, and exactly what could he seize it with?

 

[Craig234]

A general message. This has been...what, the 5th or 6th thread of the same topic in the last month?

Getting old, and its completely unfounded.

So, a 'general message', yet not to me for this thread?

Huh, odd behavior. But, another right-winger who just cannot read.

 

[Craig234]

Right, and exactly what could he seize it with?

Not much. As president, he could try to say that he had justification to keep power and order the government to agree, and it would create a constitutional crisis, yet the odds of him succeeding are close to zero. The government would not agree, the Supreme Court (despite his corrupt appointments) would rule against him if needed, the government would order him out. But he could try. And he'd have some support. Some already call for adding 2 years to his first term.

 

[Craig234]

I ABSOLUTELY think he WOULD try to do it.
Don't visualize some portrait of a madman circling the praetorian guards around the Oval Office.
Instead, picture him spending fifty to seventy-five million to file a lunker-sized litany of lawsuits to halt the vote counting process, similar to the way Roger Stone and the Republican Party did during the 2000 election.
Picture a protracted bullcrap court battle stretching all the way from the day after Election Day until the middle of January.
Picture a Trump-Bought-and-Paid-for media frenzy, pulling out all the stops, up to AND including direct calls and incitements to far-Right militants to trigger violent skirmishes.
Picture every bad, stupid lame movie plot ever to hit the big screen about criminal despots attempting to seize and hold power illegitimately...nothing is beneath this man.
Picture every "crooked tyrant scorched earth" gambit your imagination can come up with.
Picture Trump even trying to start a war if need be.

And ultimately...picture NONE of it working in the long run, but "costing" the nation significantly...IN the long run.
And picture hostile state AND NON-STATE actors using it to their advantage, in a very big way.
That's part of "the cost"...the price we would pay.

Yes, that's what I'm saying that as far as his character, if he thought he'd benefit, he WOULD do it - but because it's clear it would hurt him if he tried, that's why he won't.

As for picturing what Republicans do - picture a state trying to recount votes for president in a close election, as ordered by the state Supreme Court. Picture Republicans sending an army of staffers secretly to be a mob and disrupt and prevent the recount. Then picture the US Supreme Court making a corrupt ruling the prevent the recount. Now, look up pictures of Florida 2000, and you have the pictures.

 

[HumblePi]

Oh, there's little doubt he'll lie a lot about how he lost unfairly, but I don't think he'll actually try to seize power.

I can see him trying to seize the opportunity to use the military to stay in the white house., his alternative is prison once he leaves, so he'll use anything, any resources to hold onto his throne.