A step too far

[presluc]

And getting a LOT of attention as well I might add.

I think the corporate big shots have other things on their mind like is there going to be another Stimulus package and how much?eace

 

[Acadia]

All I can do is speak the truth. Leftists dont give the first **** about the problems plaguing the black Amsrican cimmunity. The only time leftists crawl out from under their rocks is when there is 'the right kind' of black life lost...one that they can exploit.

Meanwhile...
20-Month-Old Boy Shot And Killed In Englewood, Mom Also Wounded; 21 People Shot, 7 Killed So Far This Weekend – CBS Chicago
Several shootings leave 2 dead, 13 injured around St. Louis City | News Headlines | kmov.com

I could post 36 of those articles a day at least and thats just the actual lives lost in the black American community...every day...by gunfire. It doesn take into account the lives devastated by poverty, rape and other forms of violence, all just day to day life in the rat infested ****holes built by democrats across the country.

Black Lives Matter is a sick ****ing joke, and people that support the movement are ****ing morons too stupid to realize they have been manipulated by a bunch of Marxists bent on their destruction.

BLM- the powers that be within the movement-only care about lining their pockets with human misery. They are hypocritical grifters who with great help from the legacy media, have become cause celebs and darlings of the Left.
The left uses and changes language, like "BLM", until it has no meaning at all. Trying to define it is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. And that's on purpose! It's not meant to make any real change; it's meant to disrupt. Ever notice how many times the catch phrase has to be explained, simply because on its face, it is not valid?
We are not falling in line, thus, we must be punished, shamed, pointed at, called subversive terms and re-educated.
Until we comply, of course.

Not complying results in an escalation of their anger, thus, the riots and occupations. Thus, companies overthrowing years of products, product names and imagery, even if they are not in the slightest way, objectively racist. In fact, they are much loved by millions.
The ONLY level this makes sense is that corporations are capitulating to the rage mob and are so afraid, they are willing to deny every success and intention behind their products and betray their own stock holders, in the name of pacifying the looting, burning and rioting masses.

Extortion now passes for activism. Racial "power" for justice. One race given advancement and exceptions based not on merit, but on the color of their skin in lieu of equality.

 

[Paradoxical]

And we are supposedly racists for pointing out the disconnect between their slogan and what we witness with our own damn eyes every damn day. Where the **** are the protests over CHILDREN getting shot and killed by black men, in the streets, in a car and even in their own damn homes??

Don't tell me BLM until you can back it up with the appropriate and human-level of response to the thousands of black lives lost at the hands of other black lives.


We're sick being told to repeat Orwellian lies.

Walk the talk, and then we can begin to have a conversations. Until then, this is all b.s.

You are not allowed to discuss the elephant in the room

 

[presluc]

Actually, I think BLM is saying something different, and why you are scared ****less of it.

BLM is saying, you have made many promises, that you didnt and wont live up to, so NOW We are insisting.

This insistence scares you, and makes you think soon YOU will be the minority.

I can not speak for Paradoxical , but I don't rattle that easy.

As I said I support BLT .
However , although it is true the government has made and broke promises to the African Americans .
You think the government kept the promises they made to White people one of which was equal rights acroos the board another better education , more jobs at a fair wage less outsourcing more manufacturing jobs staying in America less money going to millionaires and billionaires more money for the American people.

The insistence does not scare me or bother me.
What bothers me is the fact that you said one day "you will be the minority" .
What then will we still be a divided country that has become so divided they can not even negoiate the issueas and problems of today without a debate arguments , or hateful rhetoric.
When Americans , ALL AMERICANS STAND TOGETHER AMERICA AND ALL AMERICANS WILL PROSPER.
Until then the people on the street can protest until their feet hurt , yell until their voice hurt, they can ban any picture on any product they say offends them they can tear down statues until there is nothing but an open field
However,come Nov. they best show up at the voting booth or they will have another 4 years of the same political system to deal with..eace

 

[Acadia]

You are not allowed to discuss the elephant in the room

We are being told to ignore the elephant, but dang, it looms rather large, doesn't it?
But hey, I'm willing to suspend disbelief and put a BLM sign on my yard so that fewer black people die in the streets of Chicago.

 

[Paradoxical]

Its like getting upset when Boston said Boston strong after the marathon bombing, or Las Vegas strong after the sniper killed a bunch of people. Doesn't negate NY or Chicago infer other cities are less important. Just noting a specific group or place at a time of need.

It's like NOT getting upset when TWICE as many unarmed white people were shot last year by cops and going haywire over one death of one black person as if white America is predominantly racist. Ask Candice Owens. She's black. But no, you don't want to hear what she has to say,

 

[Paradoxical]

Words are only words without probability or cause what do they mean?
eace

It means to me that the minorities have bought into the lies of the Democrats and MSM

 

[Acadia]

I can not speak for Paradoxical , but I don't rattle that easy.

As I said I support BLT .
However , although it is true the government has made and broke promises to the African Americans .
You think the government kept the promises they made to White people one of which was equal rights acroos the board another better education , more jobs at a fair wage less outsourcing more manufacturing jobs staying in America less money going to millionaires and billionaires more money for the American people.

The insistence does not scare me or bother me.
What bothers me is the fact that you said one day "you will be the minority" .
What then will we still be a divided country that has become so divided they can not even negoiate the issueas and problems of today without a debate arguments , or hateful rhetoric.
When Americans , ALL AMERICANS STAND TOGETHER AMERICA AND ALL AMERICANS WILL PROSPER.
Until then the people on the street can protest until their feet hurt , yell until their voice hurt, they can ban any picture on any product they say offends them they can tear down statues until there is nothing but an open field
However,come Nov. they best show up at the voting booth or they will have another 4 years of the same political system to deal with..eace

They will vote Democrat every day and twice on Sunday. Unless and until they stop voting Democrat across the board because their race votes Democrat from the cradle to the grave, from local dog catcher to mayor to governor, nothing will change. We are a Federalist society and our failure to educate basic civics has the masses tipping ass over tea kettle over the Presidential election every damn time, as if we are a monarchy, and not a Federalist Republic.

 

[presluc]

Specifically, the boards decided that they would have an easier time selling their products minus their traditional figures.
Follow the money and if it turns out they are selling LESS, you will see those figures brought back.
By the time these decisions reach corporate boardrooms, everyone and their grandmother in the company have already bottom-lined it.
Far as they can see, bottom line: Keeping Jemima and the Indian Princess is going to hurt sales.

I'm white so I never saw them as offensive but what if Levy's Real Jewish Rye bread featured a guy like this on the loaves?

"You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's!"

Or what if Chef Boyardee's had this guy?

"You don't like-a my pasta, I break-a you face"

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At the very least it would yield some arched eyebrows.

I actually am a bit sad at the loss of Princess Minnehaha on the Land O' Lakes butter, and that's because most of Minnesota really DOES look like that, it's so clean and beautiful, and in the springtime you WILL see a lot of Princess Minnehaha type gals wandering around at the lakes. Okay so they're wearing short shorts and halter tops, but they look like Minnehaha anyway.
It's not like they called it "Redskin Butter" and I honestly did not think anyone found Minnehaha offensive, although I am sure a small handful do no matter what.

But this is the human condition...the winds of change blow hard and soft and sometimes blow a little too hard before settling down, and there's always a fair bit of collateral damage.
When the conservative wing of the Democrats launched the Parents Resource Music Center initiative to explore what they termed "harmful lyrics" in rock music, it blew up into such a moral panic that it triggered book burning style destruction of thousands of records, and huge FCC fines to radio stations all over the country.

When the Republicans launched the Red Scare aka the McCarthy hearings, it decimated the entire creative community worldwide, starting with The Hollywood Ten but it went far beyond.
And to this day there are still folks walking around red-baiting anyone who isn't part of the ultra-Right.

It's a pendulum, and eventually it will wind up back around the center, but for now the winds of change are a tempest, and some of what blows in will be constructive and some of it will be an overreaction.
Nothing new about that.

I can't see it myself too many conflicts like Tombstone Pizza, or Caesars pizza. and many more. what about White's cleaners. like I said too many conflicts.eace

 

[Paradoxical]

We are being told to ignore the elephant, but dang, it looms rather large, doesn't it?
But hey, I'm willing to suspend disbelief and put a BLM sign on my yard so that fewer black people die in the streets of Chicago.

Oh NOOOOO! PLEASE don't do that, The brown shirts will come and arrest you for hate speech. You need to know what you can say and not say in this new Orwellian world. You see, ONLY black people know what constitutes racism ad today, it is almost anything and if white people don't agree, your Twitter and FB accounts will be flagged, your YouTube videos will be removed and you stand a chance of having to go for racist sensitivity training where all past memories are erased. You will be tagged as racist and you could lose your job, and your children will be taken away due to your hate speech.

So, best to be very quiet now Acadia. The white elitists liberals have shown that they are saviors of the black race and are looking for approval and rewards.

 

[Hari Seldon]

It's like NOT getting upset when TWICE as many unarmed white people were shot last year by cops and going haywire over one death of one black person as if white America is predominantly racist. Ask Candice Owens. She's black. But no, you don't want to hear what she has to say,

Its not just the one. Its also the way they are treated. Remember Abner Louima? Imagine a black cop ever doing that to a white person. I don't think America is predominantly racist but thanks for making **** up. I do think blacks and minorities are not treated as well as whites by the police a fair percentage of the time. The police suffer the same issues the conservatives like to complain about concerning teachers. Very strong unions and low accountability. Sound familiar?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I can not speak for Paradoxical , but I don't rattle that easy.

As I said I support BLT .

You just pulled a Joe Biden!!! :lamo

 

[Jean-s]

Now I may get some flack over this but it is my opinion not saying it's perfect but everybody should have their own.

First let me say I support Black lives matter, I marched for Civil Rights in the 60's. I support change. I support and end to racism in all forms . To me RACISM IS A WASTE OF TIME. . A simple cure for racism TREAT ALL PEOPLE LIKE THEY TREAT YOU.



I have a few question What do you see when you see these
Aunt Jemima

Minute Rice

Cream of Wheat.




What I see is




Aunt Jemima ,pancakes or French Toast

Minute Rice coking something with rice.

Cream of Wheat ; breakfast.



George Washington General of the Revolutionary Army also ask Jefferson to draw up a declaration also a Constitution which contains the amendment to freedom of speech and to protest.


Andrew Jackson; The battle of New Orleans which was very important for if the British that landed in New Orleans connected with the British Troops in the North no more America.



To get rid of the Confederate flag and Confederate Generals is one thing but where does it stop?

My ancestor on my grand mothers side fought for the Confederacy does that make me a bad person?

The United States government pretty much stole lands from the true Native Americans some to the brink of Genocide.

The Buffalo soldiers or the 69th army regiment an all African America regiment took part in this in the late 1800's .

It does not make them or any other Indian fighter bad today



In World War 2 , after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the Japanese Americans were rounded up and put in Internment camps, even after that Japanese Americans and other oriental Americans fought against the Germans while their relations remained in Internment camps in America.



BLACK LIVES MATTER,, ALL LIVES MATTER not only from White Racialist Cops but also from Gang bangers , Drug dealers , Pimps , drive by shootings. The deaths caused by these has only one color red , the color of Blood whether the victim or the perpetrator is white, brown, yellow, or black

All have 2 things in common HUMAN , AMERICANeace

You wrote, "Andrew Jackson; The battle of New Orleans which was very important for if the British that landed in New Orleans connected with the British Troops in the North no more America." It is well to remember that the Battle of New Orleans happened when the War of 1812 was already over and the British had surrendered.

 

[Acadia]

Oh NOOOOO! PLEASE don't do that, The brown shirts will come and arrest you for hate speech. You need to know what you can say and not say in this new Orwellian world. You see, ONLY black people know what constitutes racism ad today, it is almost anything and if white people don't agree, your Twitter and FB accounts will be flagged, your YouTube videos will be removed and you stand a chance of having to go for racist sensitivity training where all past memories are erased. You will be tagged as racist and you could lose your job, and your children will be taken away due to your hate speech.

So, best to be very quiet now Acadia. The white elitists liberals have shown that they are saviors of the black race and are looking for approval and rewards.

Oh, don't you dare say you support the police.

 

[apdst]

Now I may get some flack over this but it is my opinion not saying it's perfect but everybody should have their own.

First let me say I support Black lives matter, I marched for Civil Rights in the 60's. I support change. I support and end to racism in all forms . To me RACISM IS A WASTE OF TIME. . A simple cure for racism TREAT ALL PEOPLE LIKE THEY TREAT YOU.



I have a few question What do you see when you see these
Aunt Jemima

Minute Rice

Cream of Wheat.




What I see is




Aunt Jemima ,pancakes or French Toast

Minute Rice coking something with rice.

Cream of Wheat ; breakfast.



George Washington General of the Revolutionary Army also ask Jefferson to draw up a declaration also a Constitution which contains the amendment to freedom of speech and to protest.


Andrew Jackson; The battle of New Orleans which was very important for if the British that landed in New Orleans connected with the British Troops in the North no more America.



To get rid of the Confederate flag and Confederate Generals is one thing but where does it stop?

My ancestor on my grand mothers side fought for the Confederacy does that make me a bad person?

The United States government pretty much stole lands from the true Native Americans some to the brink of Genocide.

The Buffalo soldiers or the 69th army regiment an all African America regiment took part in this in the late 1800's .

It does not make them or any other Indian fighter bad today



In World War 2 , after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the Japanese Americans were rounded up and put in Internment camps, even after that Japanese Americans and other oriental Americans fought against the Germans while their relations remained in Internment camps in America.



BLACK LIVES MATTER,, ALL LIVES MATTER not only from White Racialist Cops but also from Gang bangers , Drug dealers , Pimps , drive by shootings. The deaths caused by these has only one color red , the color of Blood whether the victim or the perpetrator is white, brown, yellow, or black

All have 2 things in common HUMAN , AMERICANeace

It'll only stop when every single vestige of Americana is whiped from existance.

 

[reflechissez]

I don't understand why people have gotten things so horribly backwards?

The pictures of Aunt Jemima, Mrs Butterworth, and Uncle Ben on the labels of those products, was giving each of them credit for the recipes behind those wonderful tasting products. If we were the racist, hateful group of people that the left claims white people in America are, then why did so many millions of Americans by those products in the first place? Each of those products were considered the best of their kind and outlasted the competition.

Until I reached adulthood, pancakes were the only think I ever ate for breakfast. When my mother bought anything but Aunt Jemima brand pancakes, I raised hell about it. When I was in grade school, I tasted Mrs. Butterworths syrup at a friends and from that day forward, it was the only syrup I wanted on my pancakes.

I just don't understand how making a black person the face of some of the best products in American history, was turned into something derogatory and considered now as a display of racism.

.

Your opinion of "best products" is .... your opinion. Did you eat them because of the black people on the box?

 

[reflechissez]

To be truthful I don't know about corporations that well .

If these are corporate decisions why and more important WHY NOW?

Forget the debate over mask or covid 19 not real , just one question .

Is America and American citizens still under a pandemic yes or no, is there unrest in the streets yes or no ?

So these Corporate figure heads got up in the middle of a pandemic, in the middle of protesting and said we got to work on better labeling for our products.
How many new ads have you seen for that?
Marketing may be in the top 10 priorities but it ain't #1.eace

Corporations can do more than one thing at a time.

 

[VanceMack]

BLM- the powers that be within the movement-only care about lining their pockets with human misery. They are hypocritical grifters who with great help from the legacy media, have become cause celebs and darlings of the Left.
The left uses and changes language, like "BLM", until it has no meaning at all. Trying to define it is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. And that's on purpose! It's not meant to make any real change; it's meant to disrupt. Ever notice how many times the catch phrase has to be explained, simply because on its face, it is not valid?
We are not falling in line, thus, we must be punished, shamed, pointed at, called subversive terms and re-educated.
Until we comply, of course.

Not complying results in an escalation of their anger, thus, the riots and occupations. Thus, companies overthrowing years of products, product names and imagery, even if they are not in the slightest way, objectively racist. In fact, they are much loved by millions.
The ONLY level this makes sense is that corporations are capitulating to the rage mob and are so afraid, they are willing to deny every success and intention behind their products and betray their own stock holders, in the name of pacifying the looting, burning and rioting masses.

Extortion now passes for activism. Racial "power" for justice. One race given advancement and exceptions based not on merit, but on the color of their skin in lieu of equality.

Left to themselves they are an impotent little group. They didnt gain momentum til the liberals and leftists started excusing their behaviors and joining their mindless crusade. Of course...those ****ing idiots didnt stop to think where this goes.



"Liberals get the bullet too"

 

[apdst]

Aunt Jemima, the Land of Lakes Indian squaw etc.

These are corporate decisions. They are trying to preserve the wholesome image of the brand by updating the packaging.

This shows, in bright detail, the stupidity and closet racism of the Left. Liberals actually think squaw is a pejorative.

 

[presluc]

I understand your concern as well. I’m not, in any way, suggesting dismissing or covering up history.

Removing patently offensive old branding characters in today’s marketplace that are unacceptable to the majority of Americans isn’t erasing or ignoring history, it’s recognizing that consumers today do not need or want overtly racist caricatures on their rice or pancake mix boxes.
bottle.

It really is that simple.

That don't sound that simple to me you have a brand of a product that sells it offends somebody so you stop using the brand.

As I said too many conflicts are we to stop the brand of THUG LIFE or I.C.P our we to monitor the lyrics of every rap song that has the N... word in it Are we to look at every song that has the word bitch, or gansta are we to investigate the gangs???

You are speaking of brands that made money and preformed a service but somebody thought they might be offensive.

I speak of the present where gangsbangers , pimps , drug pushers gangstas what has these done good for America?
Yet speak of change why not them??

If it was up to me I'd leave them alone , but to change Aunt jemima Minute Rice, Cream of Wheat , why because the way they dressed ?
Nobody got killed in a drive -by -shooting using a Aunt Jemimia syrup eace

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I can't see it myself too many conflicts like Tombstone Pizza, or Caesars pizza. and many more. what about White's cleaners. like I said too many conflicts.eace

I don't think these corporate boardrooms give a hoot what you or I can or can't see.
They only see the bottom line.

Like I said before, don't be surprised if a couple of these old mascots return in some form or another someday.
Did you see the "Death of Mister Peanut" ad campaign?
Planters Peanuts was obviously testing the waters to see if there was any love for their mascot.

Now, extrapolate that.
Imagine if Land O'Lakes conducts an impromptu customer survey in the form of a website campaign to ditch or keep Minnehaha and an overwhelming majority, whites, blacks, asians AND native Americans all log in and say that they love Princess Minnehaha and don't find her offensive.

And if that's the majority, another generation will see America's favorite butter selling native American lady on the box...probably without her knees exposed however. :lamo

 

[VanceMack]

**** being the face of something....Were they paid for every bottle sold? As you say for their wonderful recipe.
Maybe, maybe that is the point

All 7 models for the brand were paid as per their contracts. Thats the thing about the product...none of the 7 women portraying the image created by a marketing agent tapped trees, harvested product, developed recipes, paid for the plants, or paid for the bottling, transportation, marketing, etc. Why would you think people that portrayed a marketing image should be entitled to anything more than any other model...more than say the Coppertone girl, the Marlboro man, etc?

 

[Paradoxical]

Its not just the one. Its also the way they are treated. Remember Abner Louima? Imagine a black cop ever doing that to a white person. I don't think America is predominantly racist but thanks for making **** up. I do think blacks and minorities are not treated as well as whites by the police a fair percentage of the time. The police suffer the same issues the conservatives like to complain about concerning teachers. Very strong unions and low accountability. Sound familiar?

I have ran into some asshole cops and I am white. I can just imagine if I was some punk kid and mouthed off to a cop. He would find a way to have my ass arrested and I am white. It is pure nonsense that blacks get mistreated for no reason. Today society is teaching them that a cop has to take their crap and it is the other way around, like it or not I gt stopped for going 67 in a 55 zone and I was just following two other cars. The cop was a complete jerk and I was seething inside. Also ticketed me for no proof of insurance even though I told him I had just cleaned out the glove box yesterday and forgot to put it back. I didn't say a word to him. This particular cop was a bad ass and I could tell. I reasoned it wasn't worth it. But younger people would have mouthed off and white or black, the cop would find a way to get you.

When we hear about blacks getting hassled we don't hear the back story or the FBI stats that they commit three times as many crimes per their percentage of society. There is equal treatment of cops of both black and white people.

As for unions, those were created by liberals and the exist for all government employees and they shouldn't. They have way too much power because the police protective league is allowed to donate to government officials and they do in order to get what they want. They are extremely well paid, many only work 3 or four day work weeks, have lavish time off, benefits and can retire at 55. Most feign job injuries just before that time to get enhanced retirement benefits. Just like some corporation that needs legislation who has their lobbyist write a bill and hand it to their favorite congress person to get passed along with a $100,000.00 donation, so to do the unions pay off the City Council and mayors. They are wined and dined, taken to fancy resorts and have meals of $500.00 a plate paid for, get campaign contributions all so that they vote additional benefits and pay. I knew the head of the Police Protective League union in a major city. He is the one who informed me how government really works. He HATED the left wing City Council and had to pony up LOTS to get what the police union wanted. Same thing happens in ALL government unions. California will eventually go broke because of this. Pensions are wayyy out of control.

 

[Grim17]

Your opinion of "best products" is .... your opinion.

If they weren't good, they wouldn't have lasted so many years.

Did you eat them because of the black people on the box?

What kind of question is that?

Man, you all are wired in a way I'll never understand.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh, don't you dare say you support the police.

um, errr, welll, ahhhh...I aint saying.