A Question for the Skeptics...

[KevinKohler]

Didn't know that. I suppose an angel from God would keep that in mind if God sent him to a Catholic.

That's exactly what a demon would say.

 

[Overitall]

That's exactly what a demon would say.

Are you an authority on demons or a spokesman for them.

 

[KevinKohler]

Are you an authority on demons or a spokesman for them.

I was once an amateur ghost hunter with my wife.

I played Danna Scully to her Fox Mulder. Of course, she being a devout catholic (church 2 times per year, Easter and Christmas mas), she knew nothing about the true and complete teachings of either Roman catholic, or Greek orthodoxy.

I did a lot of debunking, and even more explaining.

 

[Overitall]

I was once an amateur ghost hunter with my wife.

I played Danna Scully to her Fox Mulder. Of course, she being a devout catholic (church 2 times per year, Easter and Christmas mas), she knew nothing about the true and complete teachings of either Roman catholic, or Greek orthodoxy.

I did a lot of debunking, and even more explaining.

Are you claiming ghosts are demons dressed up?

 

[KevinKohler]

Are you claiming ghosts are demons dressed up?

No.

But the pope does. And has, for the last 1,000 years or so, give or take a few centuries.

 

[Overitall]

No.

But the pope does. And has, for the last 1,000 years or so, give or take a few centuries.

I wonder who picks out the clothes ghosts wear. Or why they even wear clothes at all. Are they afraid they might offend someone?

 

[Daisy]

Yep according to jehovah if “god’s chosen” do it.

There is not a thing that cant be excused under this doctrine which makes me worry about believers.

Um no...God will be fighting this battle, with Jesus Christ leading...

 

[Mircea]

Why should I believe anything in the Bible wasn't just written by normal regular people who embellished a story?

They did more than just embellish. They outright lied.

We don't even know if peter and paul were their real names.

Paul's name was Saul. He was a bounty hunter. He found Jesus in Damascus on the road to India because Jesus didn't actually die. It was all a hoax perpetrated by the Essene Sect to wrest power from the Pharisees and Sadducees.

That's all inferred from the gospels.

There are Sumerian texts written 5,000 years before Jesus that detail both the many uses of opium and opiates and the use of atropine, which is made from any plant in the Nightshade Family (which includes tomato plants.) Both Poppies and Nightshade grow abundantly in the Levant/Mesopotamia.

The texts say Jesus was given bitter water using a sponge while on the cross. Opium/opiates are alkaloids and alkaloids are bitter.

Opium/opiates affect the central nervous system and a small amount would have reduced the respiration and heart rates of Jesus making it appear he was dead when he really wasn't dead.

There was no autopsy and no coroner or doctor to pronounce death. As far as the little-brained Roman legionnaires guarding the place were concerned, if someone looked dead they probably were, and none of that matters since bribing the Roman guards would be fun and easy.

Jesus is spirited away to a cave where he is given atropine, and it's easy to make. Atropine is used as an anti-dote for nerve agents, because it is a powerful stimulate that dilates blood vessels. That would counter the effects of the opium.

If you noticed, Jesus never appears before any person who could possibly cause him harm.

After Jesus supposedly comes back to life, does he appear before Pilate? No, because one of Pilate's palace guards would stab him with a sword and then he really would be dead.

Does he appear before the Pharisees? No, because one of their palace guards would run him through with a spear and then he really would be dead.

Jesus only shows himself to his closest and most ardent supporters whom he trusts implicitly, because he knows they will not harm him.

Does Jesus go into town? Well, yeah, according to Luke, but Luke also says Jesus had his face covered to disguise himself.

Luke says the disguised Jesus sneaks around town and finally spies on two men and eavesdrop on their conversation. When he realizes the two men are also his supporters, he reveals himself to them.

Jesus was sneaking around to see if the coup was successful. He and the Essenes thought that if someone died and came back to life, the people would dump the Pharisees and flock to the Essenes, because, obviously, the Essenes got the answers.

When Jesus realizes the coup failed, he packs up and heads to India with his mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and a few others. The bounty hunter Saul of Tarsus -- who changed his name to Paul -- hears rumors Jesus is alive and tracks him down to Damascus, but doesn't arrest Jesus because Saul/Paul is a glory/power seeker and he figured out how to hoodwink people into drinking his Kool-Aid®.

 

[KevinKohler]

I wonder who picks out the clothes ghosts wear. Or why they even wear clothes at all. Are they afraid they might offend someone?

The minds of the viewers.

 

[Overitall]

The minds of the viewers.

Aww! The ole figment of their imagination explanation. Have you ever confirmed this by checking out a seance at a nudist retreat?

 

[bomberfox]

Um no...God will be fighting this battle, with Jesus Christ leading...

In the bible “god’s chosen” fought the battles.

 

[Mircea]

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/has-the-bible-been-changed/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no4-2016-july/bible-changed-or-tampered/

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-record-jesus-life/

The bible has been changed.

Take X-Moses.

That isn't his real name and how dumb are x-tians to sit around whining that no one seems to be able to find any historical record of X-Moses in Egypt?

The word m-s-s is Egyptian and means "emanated from." It is a suffix that was always prefixed with the name of a god:

Ptahmoses: Emanated from Ptah
Rameses: Emanated from Ra
Dedumoses: Emanated from Dedu
Tutmoses: Emanated from Toth
Anmoses: Emanated from An

In addition to the fact that m-s-s is Egytpian and means "emanated from" we know that Classical Biblical Hebrew did not exist as a language at the time X-Moses lived.

The Hebrews never lived in Egypt. They always lived in Canaan south of Ugarit and the spoke the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic.

It was only after Ugarit was destroyed circa 1350 BCE (it lied abandoned for the next 3,000 years) and its people killed, carted off as slaves or fled that Classical Biblical Hebrew began to evolve as a language, and so it is the Ugaritic dialect without the case endings (nominated, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental, locative, vocative etc).

However, if you read the Exodus Trilogy, you will note that all members of the tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi have exclusively Egyptian names. X-Moses, Aaron, Phineas, Dathan et al, are exclusively Egyptian. Oddly, the members of all other tribes mentioned have exclusively Canaanite names. That is additional proof that 9 of the tribes were never in Egypt and always lived in Canaan while 3 of the tribes lived in Egypt, and there is a very logical reason why that is true.

Give the time frame, the true name of X-Moses is likely Anmoses or Amenmoses.

What happened? Jeremiah and Hilkiah happened.

Not only were Jeremiah and Hilkiah power seekers, they were Yahweh fanatics.

Jeremiah and Hilkiah certainly knew about the Egyptian god An, and the Egyptian god Amen.

When Jeremiah and Hilkiah wrote Deuteronomy, they had to go back and edit the Tetrateuch to confirm with the forgery that was Deuteronomy.

They would have found Anmoses to be offensive in the eyes of Yahweh, so they dropped the "An" and left the "moses" (or dropped "Amen" and left "moses".)

When we find an earlier version of the E Text -- before it was merged with the J and P Texts -- we will know the true name of X-Moses, because the writers of the E Texts were all Mosaic priests, meaning they're all descended of X-Moses.

Remember that the Aaronid priests -- those descended of Aaron and that includes both Jeremiah and Hilkiah -- went to Shiloh and slaughtered all of the Mosaic priests in murderous rampage, except for one. That Mosaic priest happened to be in Beth-El at the time, and so he escaped the slaughter, but he also wrote and edited a large part of the E Text and if you want to read some of what he wrote, read the story of the "Golden Calf".

Anyway, the Hebrew texts contain numerous doublets and triplets, the stories that contradict each other, which is why we know the whole thing is a fantasy.

 

[Mircea]

All of them; although not all of the deaths of the Apostles are documented in the Bible. Many of the deaths of the Apostles can, however, be found in extra-biblical records. The deaths of the original Apostles of Christ are as follows: In A.D. 34, a repentant Judas Iscariot crucified himself in Palestine by hanging (Matthew 27:3–4). In A.D. 44, James the Greater was beheaded by a sharpened sword in Judea by the orders of Herod Agrippa. In the year A.D. 54, Philip was scourged and crucified in Heliopolis, Egypt. In the year A.D. 67, Paul was beheaded by Emperor Nero in Rome, Italia; Simon Peter was crucified upside down (at his request) by Emperor Nero in Rome, Italia also in the year A.D. 67 (John 21:19). In the year A.D. 69, Andrew was crucified in Western Greece on an “X” shaped cross and lived for two days thereon; also in the year A.D. 69, James the Just was thrown off of the pinnacle of the temple of Jerusalem and beaten to death with a club. Bartholomew was skinned alive and beheaded. Thomas was run through by a sharpened spear. Matthew was stabbed in the back with a sharpened sword by the orders of King Hertacus of Ethiopia. Thaddeus was crucified in Edessa, Asia Minor in A.D. 72. Simon the Canaanite was crucified in England in A.D. 74. James the Less was beaten in the head with a large club during a riot circa A.D. 90. John the Revelator was exiled to Patmos and died in his old age as a prisoner in A.D. 100. All of the Apostles of Jesus Christ met violent ends, and it is a true testament to the conditions that existed for the early Christians of the first century Roman Empire.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-of-Jesus-original-Apostles-were-martyred

Biblical commentators who lived between 50 CE and 400 CE contradict that.

We have to wonder why you're giving us a link to "quora" which is irrelevant and not links to Eusebius and others.

 

[bomberfox]

Its kinda gut wrenching to see people defend atrocities they would otherwise see as monstrous. Bad things happen all the time but to get otherwise good people to commit monstrous acts, that requires religion.

 

[Overitall]

They did more than just embellish. They outright lied.

Paul's name was Saul. He was a bounty hunter. He found Jesus in Damascus on the road to India because Jesus didn't actually die.

You seemed well informed, so I'm puzzled as to how you make this simple mistake. Paul/Saul didn't see a physical Jesus; he saw a vision of him.

Acts 26:19
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

It was all a hoax perpetrated by the Essene Sect to wrest power from the Pharisees and Sadducees.

That's all inferred from the gospels.

There are Sumerian texts written 5,000 years before Jesus that detail both the many uses of opium and opiates and the use of atropine, which is made from any plant in the Nightshade Family (which includes tomato plants.) Both Poppies and Nightshade grow abundantly in the Levant/Mesopotamia.

The texts say Jesus was given bitter water using a sponge while on the cross. Opium/opiates are alkaloids and alkaloids are bitter.

Opium/opiates affect the central nervous system and a small amount would have reduced the respiration and heart rates of Jesus making it appear he was dead when he really wasn't dead.

There was no autopsy and no coroner or doctor to pronounce death. As far as the little-brained Roman legionnaires guarding the place were concerned, if someone looked dead they probably were, and none of that matters since bribing the Roman guards would be fun and easy.

Jesus is spirited away to a cave where he is given atropine, and it's easy to make. Atropine is used as an anti-dote for nerve agents, because it is a powerful stimulate that dilates blood vessels. That would counter the effects of the opium.

If you noticed, Jesus never appears before any person who could possibly cause him harm.

After Jesus supposedly comes back to life, does he appear before Pilate? No, because one of Pilate's palace guards would stab him with a sword and then he really would be dead.

Does he appear before the Pharisees? No, because one of their palace guards would run him through with a spear and then he really would be dead.

Jesus only shows himself to his closest and most ardent supporters whom he trusts implicitly, because he knows they will not harm him.

Does Jesus go into town? Well, yeah, according to Luke, but Luke also says Jesus had his face covered to disguise himself.

Luke says the disguised Jesus sneaks around town and finally spies on two men and eavesdrop on their conversation. When he realizes the two men are also his supporters, he reveals himself to them.

Jesus was sneaking around to see if the coup was successful. He and the Essenes thought that if someone died and came back to life, the people would dump the Pharisees and flock to the Essenes, because, obviously, the Essenes got the answers.

When Jesus realizes the coup failed, he packs up and heads to India with his mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, the other Mary and a few others. The bounty hunter Saul of Tarsus -- who changed his name to Paul -- hears rumors Jesus is alive and tracks him down to Damascus, but doesn't arrest Jesus because Saul/Paul is a glory/power seeker and he figured out how to hoodwink people into drinking his Kool-Aid®.

 

[Daisy]

In the bible “god’s chosen” fought the battles.

At Armageddon, it'll be entirely different...Revelation 19...

"11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God.

19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army."

 

[Daisy]

The bible has been changed.

Take X-Moses.

That isn't his real name and how dumb are x-tians to sit around whining that no one seems to be able to find any historical record of X-Moses in Egypt?

The word m-s-s is Egyptian and means "emanated from." It is a suffix that was always prefixed with the name of a god:

Ptahmoses: Emanated from Ptah
Rameses: Emanated from Ra
Dedumoses: Emanated from Dedu
Tutmoses: Emanated from Toth
Anmoses: Emanated from An

In addition to the fact that m-s-s is Egytpian and means "emanated from" we know that Classical Biblical Hebrew did not exist as a language at the time X-Moses lived.

The Hebrews never lived in Egypt. They always lived in Canaan south of Ugarit and the spoke the Ugaritic dialect of Aramaic.

It was only after Ugarit was destroyed circa 1350 BCE (it lied abandoned for the next 3,000 years) and its people killed, carted off as slaves or fled that Classical Biblical Hebrew began to evolve as a language, and so it is the Ugaritic dialect without the case endings (nominated, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental, locative, vocative etc).

However, if you read the Exodus Trilogy, you will note that all members of the tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi have exclusively Egyptian names. X-Moses, Aaron, Phineas, Dathan et al, are exclusively Egyptian. Oddly, the members of all other tribes mentioned have exclusively Canaanite names. That is additional proof that 9 of the tribes were never in Egypt and always lived in Canaan while 3 of the tribes lived in Egypt, and there is a very logical reason why that is true.

Give the time frame, the true name of X-Moses is likely Anmoses or Amenmoses.

What happened? Jeremiah and Hilkiah happened.

Not only were Jeremiah and Hilkiah power seekers, they were Yahweh fanatics.

Jeremiah and Hilkiah certainly knew about the Egyptian god An, and the Egyptian god Amen.

When Jeremiah and Hilkiah wrote Deuteronomy, they had to go back and edit the Tetrateuch to confirm with the forgery that was Deuteronomy.

They would have found Anmoses to be offensive in the eyes of Yahweh, so they dropped the "An" and left the "moses" (or dropped "Amen" and left "moses".)

When we find an earlier version of the E Text -- before it was merged with the J and P Texts -- we will know the true name of X-Moses, because the writers of the E Texts were all Mosaic priests, meaning they're all descended of X-Moses.

Remember that the Aaronid priests -- those descended of Aaron and that includes both Jeremiah and Hilkiah -- went to Shiloh and slaughtered all of the Mosaic priests in murderous rampage, except for one. That Mosaic priest happened to be in Beth-El at the time, and so he escaped the slaughter, but he also wrote and edited a large part of the E Text and if you want to read some of what he wrote, read the story of the "Golden Calf".

Anyway, the Hebrew texts contain numerous doublets and triplets, the stories that contradict each other, which is why we know the whole thing is a fantasy.

Moses was not a Christian...

 

[iguanaman]

At Armageddon, it'll be entirely different...Revelation 19...

"11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God.

19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army."

That quote got one thing right. Religion has been responsible for more death and destruction in history than any other cause. Like John Lennon said..."Imagine no religion".

 

[Daisy]

That quote got one thing right. Religion has been responsible for more death and destruction in history than any other cause. "Imagine no religion"

with one bid difference...this will not be humans fighting humans but Jesus Christ and his angels fighting humans...guess who'll win...

 

[bomberfox]

At Armageddon, it'll be entirely different...Revelation 19...

"11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God.

19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army."

Doesnt matter, you support genocide when “god’s chosen” do it. Own it.

 

[bomberfox]

with one bid difference...this will not be humans fighting humans but Jesus Christ and his angels fighting humans...guess who'll win...

Ill find the iron chariots to scare away the fictional angels right when they show themselves :3. Its sad you support misery and destruction.

 

[bomberfox]

That quote got one thing right. Religion has been responsible for more death and destruction in history than any other cause. Like John Lennon said..."Imagine no religion".

It would be a much better world.

 

[Daisy]

Doesnt matter, you support genocide when “god’s chosen” do it. Own it.

Oh, I do...God will rid the earth of all evil...I look forward to that day...

 

[Daisy]

Ill find the iron chariots to scare away the fictional angels right when they show themselves :3. Its sad you support misery and destruction.

I support goodness, righteousness, and justice...

 

[bomberfox]

Oh, I do...God will rid the earth of all evil...I look forward to that day...

Yes i know. Its why you are in a doomsday cult.