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A Question for the Skeptics...

It would be a much better world.
God says the same thing about evil and the persons who promote it...

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4
 
with one bid difference...this will not be humans fighting humans but Jesus Christ and his angels fighting humans...guess who'll win...
So the son of God is a one man killing machine. How appropriate. He hates his creation I guess. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
I thought Eve made us all evil? He is one vindictive SOB to give us a brain and then punish us for using it.
Too bad so many use it in the wrong way...
 
At Armageddon, it'll be entirely different...Revelation 19...

"11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God.

19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army."
Why do religious believers think that quoting the bible or any other religious text can change the mind of a skeptic? First, you need to prove that your god exists in an objective manner before we consider your bible as a rational work or evidence of any creator deity? For the bible to mean anything more than Moby Dick or Narnia you must prove that your god exists.
 
Nah, I'll leave that up to Jehovah God when the time comes...
You have a problem with the phrase objective evidence, don't you? Your belief or faith does not create an objective reality.
 
You have a problem with the phrase objective evidence, don't you? Your belief or faith does not create an objective reality.
lol...no more than you have a problem with objective truth...
 
lol...no more than you have a problem with objective truth...
What objective truth are you referring to? The bible is not objectively true because it is was there would be no reason for belief or faith to exist but it is not true, despite what you want to believe.
 
Nah, I'll leave that up to Jehovah God when the time comes...

How many times have the 'prophets' of your faith predicted the End Times were soon to appear?

Answers by people who call themselves Christian
 
lol...we have no prophets...SMH...the prophets ended with John...
From what I remember, there was a JW teaching abut 40 years ago, and it may still stand, that "this generation (the one that was alive during world war I) would not pass away until all these things (bible prophecy) came to be." There was also the prediction that "millions now living may never die" because all the prophecy would be fulfilled by 2034 (since the bible lifespan for man is listed as 120 years and World War I began in 1914).
Is all that still being claimed?
 
From what I remember, there was a JW teaching abut 40 years ago, and it may still stand, that "this generation (the one that was alive during world war I) would not pass away until all these things (bible prophecy) came to be." There was also the prediction that "millions now living may never die" because all the prophecy would be fulfilled by 2034 (since the bible lifespan for man is listed as 120 years and World War I began in 1914).
Is all that still being claimed?
I've been a JW for 45 years and I've never heard of the date 2034 being of any significance...Jesus told his disciples, when speaking of the composite sign of the end of times...

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." Matthew 24:34

Our understanding of this scripture and what Jesus meant by it has changed over the years, as the light grows brighter...we've also learned that putting a date on the end of times would most assuredly go against Jesus comment that "nobody knows the hour or the day," which is why we should keep on the watch for the composite sign...

In his detailed prophecy about the conclusion of this system of things, Jesus said: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year.—Rom. 8:14-17.

The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014047
 
Aka if you are not faithful in every way you deserve to be genocided by god’s chosen people. Seems pretty damn convenient to me for the chosen ones. The crimes of the parent are not the children’s fault.
Sounds like my kind of god, one who would punish children for the sins of others. I almost wish I could work up the gumption to worship him. /s
What do you think bomberfox, shall we sign up?
 
I've been a JW for 45 years and I've never heard of the date 2034 being of any significance...Jesus told his disciples, when speaking of the composite sign of the end of times...

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen." Matthew 24:34

Our understanding of this scripture and what Jesus meant by it has changed over the years, as the light grows brighter...we've also learned that putting a date on the end of times would most assuredly go against Jesus comment that "nobody knows the hour or the day," which is why we should keep on the watch for the composite sign...
Yeah, they had already put a date on it before then (1970s, I believe) and apparently didn't learn anything from that. The 2034 date was just to time out their claim that those who were alive during World War I would not pass away before the phrophecies of the bible had been fulfilled, so the last possible year that could be would be 2034 since babies born in 1914 would be 120 years old (the maximum limit the Bilble puts on a human's lifespan) in 2034, after that it's bunk.
 
Yeah, they had already put a date on it before then (1970s, I believe) and apparently didn't learn anything from that. The 2034 date was just to time out their claim that those who were alive during World War I would not pass away before the phrophecies of the bible had been filed, so the last possible year that could be would be 2034 since babies born in 1914 would be 120 years old (the maximum limit the Bilble puts on a human's lifespan) in 2034, after that it's bunk.
I started studying in 1973 and was baptized in Jan. 1976 and I never heard anything about it...
 
I started studying in 1973 and was baptized in Jan. 1976 and I never heard anything about it...
You quoted it a couple posts up. You say things change as times goes by with them, and they seem to be getting nervous and looking for an out, but that is what I was told by a close Witness friend in the early 1980s. I can even remember asking them about it and mentioning that it had to be by 2034, then, at the latest and they affirmed it.
 
You quoted it a couple posts up. You say things change as times goes by with them, and they seem to be getting nervous and looking for an out, but that is what I was told by a close Witness friend in the early 1980s. I can even remember asking them about it and mentioning that it had to be by 2034, then, at the latest and they affirmed it.
I meant until you mentioned it, I had not heard of it...I think if the date was important I would've heard it mentioned...I did not...but you're right, the more we learn, the more things change to adjust to new things learned...
 
lol...we have no prophets...SMH...the prophets ended with John...

Yeah LOL 'cause you failed to respond to anything in the links I provided and only chose one word to dispute. I must assume you have no understanding of present-day usage of the single quote mark when it is used to express doubt in the common meaning of a word or term.

You and others, mostly JWs, may say you have no prophets in your church but certainly, most other people can see the validity of the word when discussing all of the failed prophecies.
 
Sounds like my kind of god, one who would punish children for the sins of others. I almost wish I could work up the gumption to worship him. /s
What do you think bomberfox, shall we sign up?
What punishment are you referring to?
 
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