A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of? [W:99]

[Deuce]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

There's no enumerated right to buy drugs.

There's an enumerated right to vote but you guys are happy to add hoops to that.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

We do this every time. You make up sinister motivations for people, but when I do it back to you, you get all pissy. You want children to die so you can keep your toys.

False dichotomy

 

[apdst]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

There's an enumerated right to vote but you guys are happy to add hoops to that.

No, there isn't.

 

[Deuce]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

False dichotomy

Yeah, it fits the utter horse**** you were just spewing

 

[Deuce]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

No, there isn't.

Oh, votes aren't mentioned in the constitution, my mistake.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

Yeah, it fits the utter horse**** you were just spewing

well lets examine your claims

when anti gun advocates claim laws that only harass honest citizens (clue-criminals cannot own ANY firearm so an "assault weapon ban" only impacts people who are allowed to own firearms) are motivated by a desire to impede criminals, yet these advocates spend most of their time whining about the NRA and gun owners (example, claiming children die because of "our toys") rather than criminals it's obvious to me the hate is directed at pro gun voters

secondly, if gun control really is valid crime control, one would expect lots of non-gun owning centrists and conservatives to support such schemes. They don't. rather, almost every GCA is a left-winger.

 

[Deuce]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

well lets examine your claims

when anti gun advocates claim laws that only harass honest citizens (clue-criminals cannot own ANY firearm so an "assault weapon ban" only impacts people who are allowed to own firearms) are motivated by a desire to impede criminals, yet these advocates spend most of their time whining about the NRA and gun owners (example, claiming children die because of "our toys") rather than criminals it's obvious to me the hate is directed at pro gun voters

secondly, if gun control really is valid crime control, one would expect lots of non-gun owning centrists and conservatives to support such schemes. They don't. rather, almost every GCA is a left-winger.

We criticize the actions of people who block laws that would help the situation.

Wow. I mean it is really inconceivable that someone would actually want to prevent murder. You find that motivation so alien that not only do you not have it yourself, you can't even believe that someone else would have it.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

We criticize the actions of people who block laws that would help the situation.

Wow. I mean it is really inconceivable that someone would actually want to prevent murder. You find that motivation so alien that not only do you not have it yourself, you can't even believe that someone else would have it.

What about laws that hurt people? Like restricting me to locking up the gun I keep on my bedside table all the time unless I'm using it? How does that help me when someone breaks in while I'm there?

In Canada, if you do that, and you use the gun to defend your life, the charge includes language that says 'you had intent to harm' someone. Just because you had it out on a table in your bedroom, so it was available if your life was in danger.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

We criticize the actions of people who block laws that would help the situation.

Wow. I mean it is really inconceivable that someone would actually want to prevent murder. You find that motivation so alien that not only do you not have it yourself, you can't even believe that someone else would have it.

assuming facts you cannot prove-such as claiming gun laws designed to harass legal gun owners "prevent murder".

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

What about laws that hurt people? Like restricting me to locking up the gun I keep on my bedside table all the time unless I'm using it? How does that help me when someone breaks in while I'm there?

In Canada, if you do that, and you use the gun to defend your life, the charge includes language that says 'you had intent to harm' someone. Just because you had it out on a table in your bedroom, so it was available if your life was in danger.

I can't speak for Canada but in the USA, the anti gun movement doesn't see violent criminals as their real enemy since those thugs don't vote against left wing politicians.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

I can't speak for Canada but in the USA, the anti gun movement doesn't see violent criminals as their real enemy since those thugs don't vote against left wing politicians.

That is, and always has been, a bull**** argument.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

That is, and always has been, a bull**** argument.

you apparently are ignorant of what really started the gun control push and the pushback by the NRA. it was Nixon's effective attack on the democrats for being soft on violent crime in the 60s.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

you apparently are ignorant of what really started the gun control push and the pushback by the NRA. it was Nixon's effective attack on the democrats for being soft on violent crime in the 60s.

The great majority of liberals to not sympathize with criminals or believe in doing 'anything at all' to get other demographics' votes.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

Is that all you have, they want to confiscate all guns. That no longer works as everyone knows that no one wants to confiscate all guns. Yoou must be an NRA troll to keep saying something so stupid.

Nonsense. It is already illegal for a convicted felon (and some convicted of other crimes) to have any gun. Banning certain types of guns therefore has no effect on criminals it effects only on those otherwise allowed to have the 'banned' type of guns. The idea that a tool causes crime is moronic to begin with - nobody seems to want to ban knives to stop 'knife crime' (except where guns are already banned).

 

[independentusa]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

Nonsense. It is already illegal for a convicted felon (and some convicted of other crimes) to have any gun. Banning certain types of guns therefore has no effect on criminals it effects only on those otherwise allowed to have the 'banned' type of guns. The idea that a tool causes crime is moronic to begin with - nobody seems to want to ban knives to stop 'knife crime' (except where guns are already banned).

Ah the old knife danger ploy, gets the crazies every time, but anyone with a brain knows the difference between the danger posed by a gun and a knife. A gun is impersonal and can be used from a safe distance. A knife is very pesonal and you have to be close up to use it. That is why the serious criminals and terrorists use guns and not knifes. And those same criminals and terrorists now know they can get a gun that can't be traced. That makes it perfect for a lot off their work, don't you think? And how many of the legal gun owners who buy a gun for protection will be buying a plastic gun, I would suggest few if any. So the argument that only the criminals will have this kind of gun or another just doesn't work with these plastic guns.

 

[jnug]

Re: A possible gun law confiscating guns I would approve of?

Ah the old knife danger ploy, gets the crazies every time, but anyone with a brain knows the difference between the danger posed by a gun and a knife. A gun is impersonal and can be used from a safe distance. A knife is very pesonal and you have to be close up to use it. That is why the serious criminals and terrorists use guns and not knifes. And those same criminals and terrorists now know they can get a gun that can't be traced. That makes it perfect for a lot off their work, don't you think? And how many of the legal gun owners who buy a gun for protection will be buying a plastic gun, I would suggest few if any. So the argument that only the criminals will have this kind of gun or another just doesn't work with these plastic guns.

Real criminals use serial number removed, purchase trail obliterated guns and then destroy/dispose of them after use. They don't keep them around to be traced to anybody. Then they just get another. They are cheap enough and available enough. They don't need these plastic guns and won't trust them. This ghoulish idea is a threat but criminals, actual criminals...not so much.